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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 29, 2017 10:29:16 GMT -5
Ojeleye won’t be taking anyone’s real minutes but he could be used as a stopper at certain points
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 29, 2017 23:02:04 GMT -5
I know I'm posting too much about the Cavs, but Lebron just played 39 minutes and they lost by 20 to the mfing Knicks. This is awesome, I'm not even going to pretend I'm not enjoying this.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 30, 2017 3:19:00 GMT -5
I’m not so sure the Celtics can beat the Wizzards The Lakers just beat the Wiz in a game that both teams wanted, thats if you take into consideration the banter pregame. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 30, 2017 3:25:38 GMT -5
I’m not so sure the Celtics can beat the Wizzards The Lakers just beat the Wiz in a game that both teams wanted, thats if you take into consideration the banter pregame. Any team can get a regular season win. Probably a different story with the Wizards come playoff time. They'll be tough in the playoffs. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 30, 2017 3:28:49 GMT -5
I know I'm posting too much about the Cavs, but Lebron just played 39 minutes and they lost by 20 to the mfing Knicks. This is awesome, I'm not even going to pretend I'm not enjoying this. Over or under on the 25 game mark before Lue gets fired? Anyone? Lol Keep it coming Don. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 30, 2017 5:57:06 GMT -5
The Lakers just beat the Wiz in a game that both teams wanted, thats if you take into consideration the banter pregame. Any team can get a regular season win. Probably a different story with the Wizards come playoff time. They'll be tough in the playoffs. This is most likely true but with the comments leading up to the game it did make it more than just any regular season game. I happen to think the C's will match up well with Washington, it will be a good test when they do match up. I can see the C's being a top 3 seed this year without GH, so adding GH onto this team next year. Anything is possible. Watching the development this year is going to be fun! |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 30, 2017 6:24:02 GMT -5
I am very interested to see where this team is in another month or so with Morris in the fold. I may change my tune completely. Besides Tatums smooth transition (there’s going to be a rough stretch at some point...), my biggest delight so far is the bigs and our toughness. Baynes and Theis have been just what the doctor ordered. They aren’t traditional rim protectors but it turns out that might not be as important as their toughness, energy and ability to knock down some shots too. They fit so well it seems.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 30, 2017 6:26:10 GMT -5
This deserves its own post and mention.... Al Horford has been ridiculous since the playoff last year and it’s carrying over this year.
He’s a player you can’t wrap up in statistics, but when you watch him play it’s beautiful. His intensity seems to be at a different level this year too.
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Post by ryan24 on Oct 30, 2017 7:29:48 GMT -5
Ojeleye won’t be taking anyone’s real minutes but he could be used as a stopper at certain points |
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Post by ryan24 on Oct 30, 2017 7:30:36 GMT -5
Who or what should the Celtic's be looking at with the salary exception?
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Post by texs31 on Oct 30, 2017 9:44:05 GMT -5
Not sure there is much out there to use it on.
CelticsHub had an interesting concept. Note, this was more an cap management (manipulation?) discussion than a suggestion of what Boston could do. The discussion is based on addressing 2 of the limitations of the DPE. Namely:
1. Whomever acquired has to be in the last year of their contract
2. The DPE expires in March.
So his idea (again, I hope I've caveated this enough so that we don't have to go down a rabbit hole of why Boston shouldn't be thinking about trading Morris) is to combine Morris and the exception in a trade (technically it's using the simultaneous/non-simultaneous distinction in trades).
His example goes back to his Minnesota idea suggested earlier. If all the other reasons to explore such a deal fall into place, then Boston could trade Morris for Bjelica and OKC's 1st Rounder (his original idea was Patton - probably changes the math in this case). BC of the ability to use the simultaneous/non-simultaneous distinction (of which I'm not entirely clear), the paper work is actually Bjelica gets traded into the DPE and Morris is traded for a 1st rounder. The distinction is important bc the 2nd piece of the trade creates a trade exception. With that, you'd have a full year to use it and the player acquired would not have any limitations on him.
So the before and after would be:
Morris and the $8Mn DPE (to be used by March on a contract-year player)
vs.
Bjelica, OKC's 1st Rounder and a $5Mn TPE (to be used W/I 1 year of the trade on a player of any contract length).
He admits that Morris would be a loss and Boston would be lesser in the short term but points it out as a way to create flexibility.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 30, 2017 10:11:09 GMT -5
Flexibility for what?
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 30, 2017 10:21:26 GMT -5
Ryan, not sure how you see Rozier as more of a lead guard than Smart... Smart is more of a PG in my opinion and it’s not even really close. He’s a better distributor, ball-handler and has a better command of the offense. He’s got a lot of flaws for sure but comparing these parts of their games Smart has it over him.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 30, 2017 10:31:44 GMT -5
- Before the DPE, Boston wouldn't be able to just trade a pick or picks for a player. - With DPE, they could but only until March and only for a player in last year of contract. - With TPE, they could do it for a full year after the trade and there would be no limitations on contract length. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 30, 2017 11:29:11 GMT -5
Morris and his contract give you the ability to make a trade for the next two years. It's like you're trading Morris to get the ability to add a lesser type player down the road. Nevermind I really can't believe he has another idea on trading Morris before we have seen him play.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 30, 2017 12:52:03 GMT -5
Do you guys read the posts or just start criticizing right away?
As I emphasized before getting to the point (and here I thought I was caveating too much . . . who knew?), these aren't suggestions of what Boston SHOULD do NOW. The first, was an idea that had MULTIPLE caveats to it (which should've pointed us all to the fact that it's something that COULD make sense if a series of things happen).
In this case, he used a Morris trade as an example to highlight how Boston could turn a limited DPE into a TPE.
At the risk of this being misinterpreted (again) as a suggestion and not an example . . . I'm a big fan of Kyle O'Quinn and think he has multiple skills that Boston could utilize. I believe he could be available. Now you might suggest that we could trade Morris to get O'Quinn, straight up. But New York, in their current state, likely would have no interest in Morris (he's really best suited as a role player on a contender than anything else). They might only be interested in picks or young players.
Currently, we wouldn't be able to just trade a pick for O'Quinn. In this scenario, it would be possible.
Now O'Quinn has an option the following year, so maybe he's not the best example. But here is a list of 100 players that Boston could trade for with the DPE. That list grows to 250 with a TPE. Might they be lesser players? Possibly. But NBA GMs rob Peter to pay Paul. And sometimes, Paul isn't as good as Peter. But maybe Paul is younger. Cheaper. More upside. Many people think Bradley is a better player than Morris. But there was still logic in making that deal.
Now are all of these things enough to want to trade Morris to do so? Definitely not yet. Possibly not ever. Of course, that wasn't the original point.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 30, 2017 13:38:11 GMT -5
My question wasn’t about the flexibility the DPE gives you it was about what flexibility trading Morris gives you.
The way you ended it you made it sound as if trading Morris gives you flexibility.
No one would argue having the DPE vs not having it gives the team flexibility.
It wasn’t criticizing I was asking.
I guess I don’t buy a smallish trade exception being more valuable than Morris.
Can you package trade exceptions in deals? I didn’t think you could.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 30, 2017 14:55:00 GMT -5
Texas he uses Morris in that example because he's really the only player with a high enough salary that we might want to trade. You really can't look at that other than trading Morris. Thing is Morris is an easily tradable contract. So turning him into a 5 million exception just makes zero sense in my book. I certainly read it, I just don't agree with it. We don't have a bunch of other contracts in that range and I can't see Danny trading 2-3 players to get a trade exception. For example if you use Larkin, the exception would be for almost nothing. I would love to see another example that doesn't involve Morris that can get us a useful exception.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 30, 2017 17:40:16 GMT -5
To UMaSS point turning Morris into a trade exception doesn’t do them anything since he’s a tradeable expiring contract next year. If his contract expired this year, and you wanted to turn it into a tradable commodity next year then I’d understand how it creates flexibility. But I don’t see how the TE adds flexibility. In fact, I’d argue it makes you less flexible as Morris can be packaged with other players whereas the TE cannot.
Unless I’m overlooking something... but that’s why I asked the question.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 30, 2017 17:41:36 GMT -5
A better example would be trading Baynes in that situation since his contract expires but that can’t happen for obvious reasons.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 30, 2017 18:57:04 GMT -5
This is easily the best Horford has looked in a Celtics jersey. I haven't always been the biggest fan, but he's BALLING right now.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 30, 2017 20:51:28 GMT -5
Ojeleye won’t be taking anyone’s real minutes but he could be used as a stopper at certain points 22 minutes tonight. Don't fall asleep on him, there is a player in there. |
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Post by bookiemetts on Oct 30, 2017 23:06:50 GMT -5
This team is fun. Kyrie is getting more comfortable in the offense, and has really been going after it on defense recently which is surprising. Horford looks like a beast. Baynes and Theis have been great pickups. Brown is a menace in transition and Tatum is really polished, and better on defense than I expected.
Based on what Danny has said, it doesn't seem like he has any immediate plans for the trade exception. I'm wondering if he's just pocketing it in case someone else gets hurt or if there's a disgruntled player situation where they can pick up an asset on the cheap.
I think Ojeleye might lose some minutes when Morris comes back but he's looked solid so far, better than Yabu and Nader.
He's had some struggles with the shot but it's a SSS and he can shoot. I guess he was the most efficient pick and pop player in the NCAA last year.
Plus like you said rip, anyone with that defense has a place in the NBA.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 31, 2017 4:07:55 GMT -5
This is the first time the Celtics have beaten the Spurs in years. What a team the Celtics are growing to be.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 31, 2017 4:09:51 GMT -5
I heard on Comcast that the DPE could be used to acquire a guy like Noel later in the season. I don't know how the DPE works or how Noel has anything to do with it, but there it is.
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