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Post by Don Caballero on May 22, 2018 9:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 22, 2018 11:14:17 GMT -5
I can live with Smart not shooting well, I can't live with him getting 5 turnovers also. I know we keep comparing Rozier to Irving and what that means. The massive upgrade is Irving over Smart though. Three of those turnovers were hustle plays where Smart was trying to save a ball from going out of bounds off a Celtic. That is just not true. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 22, 2018 11:31:04 GMT -5
I love how everyone thought Cleveland was down and out after game two and now after two games in Cleveland everyone thinks Boston is down and out. I honestly thought we had little chance at winning this series but after winning the first two homes games I put our odds at 50/50 (which is the easy way out I suppose) and I stand by that now. With Lebron I have to give the Cavs a slightly higher chance of stealing a road game but we've shown the ability to beat this team at home and we have 2 of the last 3 there.
If we lose game 5 we are in trouble, but if we win it....I suspect this thing goes to 7.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 22, 2018 11:41:11 GMT -5
I've been a little wishy washy myself, but that's what happens when LeBron doesn't try in game 1 and then puts up 3 straight 40 point games in a row.
I convinced myself that even with James going off like this that the Cavs weren't good enough to beat the Celtics. Well, the Cavs just proved the last 2 days that isn't true.
Neither team has been good on the road so far, so the Celtics should have a edge, but the LeBron James factor could also take that advantage away. This series is probably going to 7 games regardless.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 22, 2018 11:46:12 GMT -5
I can live with Smart not shooting well, I can't live with him getting 5 turnovers also. I know we keep comparing Rozier to Irving and what that means. The massive upgrade is Irving over Smart though. This all depends on if Rozier can play a bench roll. He hasn’t exactly shown to be a consistent guy off the bench. This exact team with a healthy Kyrie and Hayward may be better with Smart on the bench than Rozier. Maybe in a bench role Terry would lock it in defensively, but I’ve seen him abused way too often on that end this post season. Either thru no fault of his own just being switched on to a bigger guy or by letter guys like TJ McConnell and JR Smith blow right but him. As compared to what Smart? He needs minutes, if he will get Smart like minutes of 25 to 30 minutes a game he's just fine. It would allow Irving to play more at SG, which frankly is his best position. Not that Rozier didn't have that bad game against the Sixers, but he has been great defensively in this series. Smith didn't blow by him, Rozier was screaned and the other guy didn't rotate. There is a big difference, every since McConnell big game that hasn't happened again. Yes a bench role should help. You almost need to use him in a Bradley type role harassing the guy bringing up the ball. We see that a little bit every few games, but he should be doing that multiple times each game. |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 22, 2018 12:02:13 GMT -5
I've been a little wishy washy myself, but that's what happens when LeBron doesn't try in game 1 and then puts up 3 straight 40 point games in a row. Don't get caught up in this bullsh*t narrative. He tried in game 1, but Boston had a perfect scheme for the way he played the game and it resulted in a poor effort. He adjusted as the series went on and thus far Boston hasn't found a way to counter that. This "feel off" game shenanigans people tried to push is just not true. Which is different than how Boston played game 3. They were way over their heads in that game and clearly daydreaming about playing Golden State. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 22, 2018 12:03:02 GMT -5
The last 2 games highlight why I don’t understand why people think his value has all of a sudden changed. He’s the same guy, was in games 1 and 2 and was in games 3 and 4. We’ve been watching him long enough to know this. His annoyances are the same they just feel different when the team around him are actually hitting their shots and playing good defense. Playoff success and Smart in a way leading the number 1 defense that keeps surprising people with its gritty play. I totally get what you're saying, he's the same player and he is. Thing is everyone is watching and I can see some coach or GM thinking we need him to lead our defense. It's really not rational, but it happens all the time. There are a ton of bad GMs out there. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 22, 2018 12:17:42 GMT -5
The Key is not letting the Cavs get the lead. When it gets close or they are behind LeBron plays hero ball and kills the offense. Just look what that did in the second half of last game. When he does that in a full game that team struggles to score, even when LeBron goes off.
You were never going to sweep LeBron out of the playoffs, not this team. Nothing has changed Celtics in 7. I do wonder if Lue has anymore good coaching left in him. He has actually done some good work adjusting. The Celtics finally adjusted in the second half of game four.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 22, 2018 13:04:45 GMT -5
The Celtics won that game 2Q 3Q and 4Q. What killed them was not being able to drop a bucket during the first 10 minutes.
The Celtics are perfectly capable of hanging with, and even besting the Cavs when they're firing on all cylinders. If they continue to do so at home, they'll be fine.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 22, 2018 13:41:44 GMT -5
The Celtics won that game 2Q 3Q and 4Q. What killed them was not being able to drop a bucket during the first 10 minutes. The Celtics are perfectly capable of hanging with, and even besting the Cavs when they're firing on all cylinders. If they continue to do so at home, they'll be fine. The question is if they are capable of firing on all cylinders on the road. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 22, 2018 14:31:15 GMT -5
The Celtics won that game 2Q 3Q and 4Q. What killed them was not being able to drop a bucket during the first 10 minutes. The Celtics are perfectly capable of hanging with, and even besting the Cavs when they're firing on all cylinders. If they continue to do so at home, they'll be fine. The question is if they are capable of firing on all cylinders on the road. You can say the same exact thing about the Cavs and we hold home court. I normally don't question Stevens outside of waiting too long to call timeouts when the other team goes on runs. Thing is part of that first half is on him. After game 3 and the switching, why did it take till halftime for him to make a change? After halftime everytime they switched onto Rozier one on one with a big, they switched again and it worked at least in that game. Kinda funny watching Rozier run away and try and find a new guy, but it confused the Cavs. The way they did that, tells me they practiced that. So why wait till after the Cavs hung 68 points on you to adjust? Jmei is about the only person in the world that thinks Rozier on LeBron is a good idea. I also think Van Gundy is right that you don't always have to switch either on every play. While you don't want to give Korver or Smith open looks, I wouldn't mind LeBron taking long-distance jumpers. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 22, 2018 15:21:12 GMT -5
The Cavs are 3-4 on the road this post season the Celtics are 1-6. Last year a team with most of the same players (weirdly after all the moves) they were 7-3. It might be fair to ask if they will be that Celtics at home because of how good the Celtics have been in their building but the Cavs have proven they can win on the road in the playoffs.
If the Celtics go to the finals, most likely it’s by only winning 1 road game which is craziness.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 22, 2018 15:24:17 GMT -5
I agree that whenever Rozier is on the court they shouldn’t be switching on LeBron. Let him shoot 3s. He will hit 4 in a row then miss 7. When he’s not on the court then switch.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 22, 2018 17:59:59 GMT -5
The Cavs are 3-4 on the road this post season the Celtics are 1-6. Last year a team with most of the same players (weirdly after all the moves) they were 7-3. It might be fair to ask if they will be that Celtics at home because of how good the Celtics have been in their building but the Cavs have proven they can win on the road in the playoffs. If the Celtics go to the finals, most likely it’s by only winning 1 road game which is craziness. They don't have Irving, so don't give me last years records. This current Cavs teams isn't last years team. They barely got one road win after losing at home against the Pacers. Then two wins against a Raptors team that just choked and rolled over. Celtics are 9-0 at home, Cavs are 7-1 at home. Hence the Cavs have shown they can lose at home, Celtics haven't. The Celtics have shown they can win on the road. I think that Sixer win against a red hot Sixers team everyone had going to the finals is the best road win when comparing the two teams. When you compare the first 4 games, I don't see some huge advantage. Each had a blowout and a semi close game at home. I truly feel the Celtics have just as good of a chance beating the Cavs at home in game 6, as the Cavs have at beating us in game 5 or game 7. Take game 4, was that the Celtics can't win on the road, or just some bad luck? 4 missed rather easy dunks, a called back 3 pointer that should have been an and one, along with about 15 missed layups. Korver blocking Brown 3 times in one game, you can't make stuff up better than that. My point being a bunch of road loses were fairly competitive games, not game 3 blowouts. I'm also betting on Stevens like in the second half to take away what the Cavs want to do. Can Lue adjust his offense if they can no longer abuse Rozier with bigger players? I will take Stevens over Lue on that one. The Cavs once again looked lost when they couldn't use that to get easy baskets or force double teams/help defenders that left shooters open. Nevermind Rozier has really improved on the road lately. We will find out shortly, but lets stay positive and stop trying to prove the Celtics can't or might not win. Positive thoughts only come playoff time.😁 |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2018 6:56:13 GMT -5
My bad, I’ll keep it positive except for when I’m trying to mush them into playing well. From now on whenever we miss easy shots it’s just bad luck and not us choking and when the Cavs miss shots it’s either our great D or them choking.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 23, 2018 11:05:56 GMT -5
Warriors are chokers, survive this round and chip.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2018 11:24:52 GMT -5
Well Cleveland hit homer refs for their games in Cleveland and are getting road refs for game 5 here. League doesn’t want the Celtics in the finals.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2018 19:44:38 GMT -5
Let LeBron take that 3 all night
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2018 20:07:03 GMT -5
JR Smith being a dirty bitch got Love a foul. He pushed Tatums hip as he went by ever so subtlety.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 23, 2018 20:07:07 GMT -5
Kevin Love with his famous disappearing act in Game 5. Lol awesome dude :-)
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 23, 2018 20:09:02 GMT -5
I have no idea why this team can only play at home though.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 23, 2018 20:10:43 GMT -5
Kevin Love with his famous disappearing act in Game 5. Lol awesome dude :-) Seriously? He's the one player keeping the Cavs in this one. What a quarter by the Celtics! |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2018 20:10:46 GMT -5
Kevin Love with his famous disappearing act in Game 5. Lol awesome dude :-) Love hit 2 big 3s early and has 10 points 4 Boards... |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 23, 2018 20:12:17 GMT -5
Kevin Love with his famous disappearing act in Game 5. Lol awesome dude :-) Love hit 2 big 3s early and has 10 points 4 Boards... Didn't catch that. My bad. Just saw the fouls. Flipping between channels stinks. |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 23, 2018 20:15:02 GMT -5
Terry is gonna get a T too... he shouldn’t have retaliated for that but i get it
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