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2017-18 Qualifying Offers Nov 6, 2017 11:24:34 GMT -5

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Set at $17.4M this year. Here's a primer on the new rules: www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/08/offseason-primer-the-new-qualifying-offer-rules.html

Deadline to offer is today at 5 pm. Deadline to decline/accept is 10 days from now.

Alex Cobb has already been given a qualifying offer by the Rays.

EDIT: Final list:

Eric Hosmer
Carlos Santana
Mike Moustakas
Lorenzo Cain
Jake Arrieta
Alex Cobb
Lance Lynn
Wade Davis
Greg Holland

Most notable non-QOs are Andrew Cashner and Zack Cozart.

Last Edit: Nov 6, 2017 18:58:07 GMT -5 by Chris Hatfield

"We really don't need the whole commercial break/warm-up routine every time a new reliever comes into the game. It certainly made sense in 1884 when they only switched pitchers when the starter was attacked by pickaxe or caught consumption, and no reliever was warming up because he was busy gambling and drinking." - JD

I still think I'm going to wake up and say "I shouldn't listen to the podcast before bed, I dreamed the Sox signed a guy from Curaçao named Charlie Zink." - KOC

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2017-18 Qualifying Offers Nov 6, 2017 17:47:02 GMT -5 via mobile umassgrad2005 likes this

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Nov 6, 2017 11:24:34 GMT -5 Chris Hatfield said:

Set at $17.4M this year. Here's a primer on the new rules: www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/08/offseason-primer-the-new-qualifying-offer-rules.html

Deadline to offer is today at 5 pm. Deadline to decline/accept is 10 days from now.

Alex Cobb has already been given a qualifying offer by the Rays.

The interesting part is that MLB trade rumors has their projected next contract for Cobb at 45 million or around there. I think he goes way over that. They must be figuring teams don't want to give up the draft picks with the 50 million dollar threshold being the standard minimum. If Cobb is at 15-16 million a year, I don't care if the Sox don't need Cobb, they should still be inquiring about Cobb at that price.

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2017-18 Qualifying Offers Nov 6, 2017 18:58:42 GMT -5

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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 6, 2017 18:58:42 GMT -5

Updated with list of 9.

"We really don't need the whole commercial break/warm-up routine every time a new reliever comes into the game. It certainly made sense in 1884 when they only switched pitchers when the starter was attacked by pickaxe or caught consumption, and no reliever was warming up because he was busy gambling and drinking." - JD

I still think I'm going to wake up and say "I shouldn't listen to the podcast before bed, I dreamed the Sox signed a guy from Curaçao named Charlie Zink." - KOC

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2017-18 Qualifying Offers Nov 8, 2017 10:46:45 GMT -5

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MLB.com with what the offering teams would receive for each player: m.mlb.com/news/article/260859184/draft-picks-for-qualifying-offer-free-agents/

Cardinals - Lance Lynn: Pick after Competitive Balance Round B
Cubs - Jake Arrieta, Wade Davis: Pick after Competitive Balance Round B
Indians - Carlos Santana:
A) If he signs for at least $50 million: Pick between 1st round and Competitive Balance Round A
B) If he signs for less than $50 million: Pick after Competitive Balance Round B
Rays - Alex Cobb:
A) If he signs for at least $50 million: Pick between 1st round and Competitive Balance Round A
B) If he signs for less than $50 million: Pick after Competitive Balance Round B
Rockies - Greg Holland:
A) If he signs for at least $50 million: Pick between 1st round and Competitive Balance Round A
B) If he signs for less than $50 million: Pick after Competitive Balance Round B
Royals - Eric Hosmer, Mike Moustakas, Lorenzo Cain:
A) If he signs for at least $50 million: Pick between 1st round and Competitive Balance Round A
B) If he signs for less than $50 million: Pick after Competitive Balance Round B

"We really don't need the whole commercial break/warm-up routine every time a new reliever comes into the game. It certainly made sense in 1884 when they only switched pitchers when the starter was attacked by pickaxe or caught consumption, and no reliever was warming up because he was busy gambling and drinking." - JD

I still think I'm going to wake up and say "I shouldn't listen to the podcast before bed, I dreamed the Sox signed a guy from Curaçao named Charlie Zink." - KOC

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2017-18 Qualifying Offers Nov 9, 2017 12:00:33 GMT -5

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MLBTR checking in with the converse, what each team would lose for signing a QO FA:
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/which-draft-picks-each-team-would-lose-by-signing-a-qualified-free-agent.html

Competitive Balance Tax Payors: Tigers, Dodgers, Yankees, Giants, Nationals

If one of these teams signs a qualified free agent, it must forfeit its second-highest and fifth-highest pick in the 2018 draft. The team will also have its international signing bonus pool reduced by $1MM. The Tigers are highly unlikely to sign one of the nine players listed above, but the other four teams might. The Giants’ second-highest pick will fall somewhere in the 30s overall, so they stand to lose the most if they sign a qualified free agent.

Non-Disqualified Revenue Sharing Payees: Diamondbacks, Braves, Orioles, Reds, Indians, Rockies, Astros, Royals, Marlins, Brewers, Twins, Athletics, Pirates, Padres, Mariners, Rays

These 16 teams received revenue sharing and did not exceed the competitive balance tax. If one of these teams signs a qualified free agent, it forfeits its third-highest pick. These teams face the smallest draft pick penalty.

All Other Clubs: Red Sox, Cubs, White Sox, Angels, Mets, Phillies, Cardinals, Rangers, Blue Jays

These nine remaining teams would forfeit their second-highest pick and and have their international signing bonus pool reduced by $500K. The penalty is something of a middle ground, but it would sting for a team like the Phillies to sacrifice a pick in the 30s.

What happens if a team signs two of these nine free agents? The CBA calls for forfeiture of the next highest available draft pick. For example, if a team has already lost its second and fifth-highest picks and it signs a second qualified free agent, it would lose its third and sixth-highest picks. So as in the past, if you’ve already signed one qualified free agent, the draft pick cost to sign another is reduced.

"We really don't need the whole commercial break/warm-up routine every time a new reliever comes into the game. It certainly made sense in 1884 when they only switched pitchers when the starter was attacked by pickaxe or caught consumption, and no reliever was warming up because he was busy gambling and drinking." - JD

I still think I'm going to wake up and say "I shouldn't listen to the podcast before bed, I dreamed the Sox signed a guy from Curaçao named Charlie Zink." - KOC

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2017-18 Qualifying Offers Nov 9, 2017 13:01:05 GMT -5

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Post by borisman on Nov 9, 2017 13:01:05 GMT -5

Sorry to have to ask this but is there a limit on how many years in a row a team can submit QO's to the same player, if that player accepts the one year QO from his current team? Kind of like a franchise tag in the NFL where you can only franchise a player for 2 years in a row (or maybe 3 years tops).

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2017-18 Qualifying Offers Nov 9, 2017 13:09:26 GMT -5 borisman likes this

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Nov 9, 2017 13:01:05 GMT -5 borisman said:

Sorry to have to ask this but is there a limit on how many years in a row a team can submit QO's to the same player, if that player accepts the one year QO from his current team? Kind of like a franchise tag in the NFL where you can only franchise a player for 2 years in a row (or maybe 3 years tops).

Don't be sorry, this is a good and relevant question: I believe the new rule is that a player can only get a qualifying offer once in his career, which is a notable shift from the previous CBA. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/2017-qualifying-offer-expected-to-be-worth-roughly-18mm.html

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2017-18 Qualifying Offers Nov 9, 2017 13:46:15 GMT -5

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^correct. Free agents this year like Jose Bautista, Melky Cabrera, Carlos Beltran, Ubaldo Jimenez, & John Lackey couldn't receive a QO for this reason, not that most (or likely any) of them would have.

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"We really don't need the whole commercial break/warm-up routine every time a new reliever comes into the game. It certainly made sense in 1884 when they only switched pitchers when the starter was attacked by pickaxe or caught consumption, and no reliever was warming up because he was busy gambling and drinking." - JD

I still think I'm going to wake up and say "I shouldn't listen to the podcast before bed, I dreamed the Sox signed a guy from Curaçao named Charlie Zink." - KOC