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2018 Spring Training Discussion
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 24, 2018 11:52:50 GMT -5
Gotta love the Vazquez deal. Buys out his first free agent year for 6.25 million, with a team option in 2022 for 7 million.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 24, 2018 12:19:16 GMT -5
OMG, Sale got hit by a line drive in the hip I think and went down. Should be ok, but my life just passed before my eyes. They took him out of the game.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 24, 2018 12:25:57 GMT -5
Pretty sure the ball just went off his glove. I think the injury was his knee from going down awkwardly.
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Post by bosox on Mar 24, 2018 12:51:40 GMT -5
Per McAdam
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3m3 minutes ago
Left hip contusion for Sale, per Red Sox. He'll be further evaluated.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 24, 2018 12:57:29 GMT -5
Nevermind. I guess it did get him in the hip.
I hadn't realized how well Holt has done this spring. Looks like he probably will be making the roster after all.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 24, 2018 13:10:55 GMT -5
Better the hip than the knee.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 24, 2018 13:27:15 GMT -5
Better the hip than the knee. They were saying he fell on his knee on the line drive (I didn't watch it). He has like 6 days until opening day. Hopefully he'll be good to go. |
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Post by Coreno on Mar 24, 2018 13:39:02 GMT -5
Looks like Holt is definitely making the team. Marrero traded to Dbacks for PTBNL or cash.
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Post by bosox on Mar 24, 2018 13:46:31 GMT -5
More on Sale from McAdam:
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Sale convinced he's fine. Asked if he's worried about making Opening Day start, said: "Not at all.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 24, 2018 14:06:57 GMT -5
The Christian Vazquez has some risk, but seems like a bargain. Even if he doesn't progress, or regresses, that 6.25m year is very reasonable. And if he does improve, the 6.25m FA year and 7m option could be bargains (especially if you expect salaries going up again next year).
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Post by radiohix on Mar 24, 2018 15:20:10 GMT -5
Love the CV deal and hoping to hear soon about Benny and Devers  Re: Benintendi, any of you guys can explain me why the Sox seem to play Mookie exclusively in RF even in ST? I mean, even when JBJ is not in the lineup it's always AB who plays CF? I think Mookie is a better CFer than Benny but the team seems very reluctant to give him some reps in there. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 24, 2018 16:54:21 GMT -5
Good deal for the Sox with Vazquez. He apparently wanted to stay with the Sox which is a good thing.
I normally would have preferred the Sox keep Marrero over Holt because they could stash Holt away in AAA, they don't have another true SS behind Bogaerts should he need a few days off (but not a DL stay), and because they need a glove coming off the bench more than they need a LH bat.
That said, I've been reading that Nunez' range at 2b has been questionable. I don't know how well is knee is doing. Holt is pretty good insurance in that regard while Pedroia is out. I honestly have no idea if Swihart can really play 2b, so I can justify the Sox dumping Marrero and keeping Holt who apparently is a lot better than last season when the concussions were still affecting him.
I guess with E-Rod and Pomeranz (and Thornburg and Pedroia) starting the season on the DL and Wright being suspended for 15 days, Marrero dealt away, and the two LOOGYs being optioned, barring injury the roster is coming together.
Starters: Sale, Price, Porcello, Johnson, Velazquez
Relievers: Kimbrel, Smith, Kelly, Hembree, Barnes, Poyner, a pitcher I'm forgetting
Catchers: Vazquez, Leon, Swihart
Infielders: Ramirez, Nunez, Bogaerts, Devers, Moreland, Holt
Outfielders: Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Martinez
It seems to me that unless I'm forgetting a significant reliever they could have gone with an 11 man staff and Marrero on the roster. But I am probably forgetting somebody. Anybody know who?
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Post by soxjim on Mar 24, 2018 17:05:40 GMT -5
Good deal for the Sox with Vazquez. He apparently wanted to stay with the Sox which is a good thing. I normally would have preferred the Sox keep Marrero over Holt because they could stash Holt away in AAA, they don't have another true SS behind Bogaerts should he need a few days off (but not a DL stay), and because they need a glove coming off the bench more than they need a LH bat. That said, I've been reading that Nunez' range at 2b has been questionable. I don't know how well is knee is doing. Holt is pretty good insurance in that regard while Pedroia is out. I honestly have no idea if Swihart can really play 2b, so I can justify the Sox dumping Marrero and keeping Holt who apparently is a lot better than last season when the concussions were still affecting him. I guess with E-Rod and Pomeranz (and Thornburg and Pedroia) starting the season on the DL and Wright being suspended for 15 days, Marrero dealt away, and the two LOOGYs being optioned, barring injury the roster is coming together. Starters: Sale, Price, Porcello, Johnson, Velazquez Relievers: Kimbrel, Smith, Kelly, Hembree, Barnes, Poyner, a pitcher I'm forgetting Catchers: Vazquez, Leon, Swihart Infielders: Ramirez, Nunez, Bogaerts, Devers, Moreland, Holt Outfielders: Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Martinez It seems to me that unless I'm forgetting a significant reliever they could have gone with an 11 man staff and Marrero on the roster. But I am probably forgetting somebody. Anybody know who? I don't know about Poyner. But here are other names: Workman, Maddox, Scott and Elias. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 24, 2018 17:16:57 GMT -5
Good deal for the Sox with Vazquez. He apparently wanted to stay with the Sox which is a good thing. I normally would have preferred the Sox keep Marrero over Holt because they could stash Holt away in AAA, they don't have another true SS behind Bogaerts should he need a few days off (but not a DL stay), and because they need a glove coming off the bench more than they need a LH bat. That said, I've been reading that Nunez' range at 2b has been questionable. I don't know how well is knee is doing. Holt is pretty good insurance in that regard while Pedroia is out. I honestly have no idea if Swihart can really play 2b, so I can justify the Sox dumping Marrero and keeping Holt who apparently is a lot better than last season when the concussions were still affecting him. I guess with E-Rod and Pomeranz (and Thornburg and Pedroia) starting the season on the DL and Wright being suspended for 15 days, Marrero dealt away, and the two LOOGYs being optioned, barring injury the roster is coming together. Starters: Sale, Price, Porcello, Johnson, Velazquez Relievers: Kimbrel, Smith, Kelly, Hembree, Barnes, Poyner, a pitcher I'm forgetting Catchers: Vazquez, Leon, Swihart Infielders: Ramirez, Nunez, Bogaerts, Devers, Moreland, Holt Outfielders: Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Martinez It seems to me that unless I'm forgetting a significant reliever they could have gone with an 11 man staff and Marrero on the roster. But I am probably forgetting somebody. Anybody know who? I don't know about Poyner. But here are other names: Workman, Maddox, Scott and Elias. Maddox is injured. And I believe Scott and Elias were optioned to AAA, so that leaves Brandon Workman. So Brandon Workman it is. He's the 6th pitcher in the pen and it looks like Poyner made the club as the lone lefty. I honestly think he is the best lefty although it could be a tough jump from AA to the bigs, but he is 25 so he might be able to handle it. Ultimately he's their best lefty. It will require a roster move - is dealing away Marrero that move that opens up the 40 man spot? Thanks SoxJim. How could I forget one of 2013 post-season's heroes? Brandon Workman, who I like as a solid reliever. So I guess Poyner goes down when Johnson goes to the pen as Pomeranz comes back. E-Rod displaces Velazquez. Wright would replace Workman I suppose. Pedroia's return could send Holt back to AAA, but more likely somebody will be injured by then changing all of these scenarios. |
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Post by soxfando on Mar 24, 2018 17:19:11 GMT -5
Looks like Holt is definitely making the team. Marrero traded to Dbacks for PTBNL or cash. Marrero didn't get many hits, but the ones he got usually had runners in scoring position. |
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Post by soxfando on Mar 24, 2018 17:22:28 GMT -5
Gotta love the Vazquez deal. Buys out his first free agent year for 6.25 million, with a team option in 2022 for 7 million. Does seem like a cheap deal but Vazquez learned the hard way about injury risk, and now he's set for life. Win win situation. |
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Mar 24, 2018 18:18:47 GMT -5
I womder how many other times Sale has been hit by a line drive or sharp one hopper. He is not in a good fielding position after he pitches the ball as he lands in almost a sideways position, sometimes on one foot.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2018 18:23:27 GMT -5
Good deal for the Sox with Vazquez. He apparently wanted to stay with the Sox which is a good thing. I normally would have preferred the Sox keep Marrero over Holt because they could stash Holt away in AAA, they don't have another true SS behind Bogaerts should he need a few days off (but not a DL stay), and because they need a glove coming off the bench more than they need a LH bat. That said, I've been reading that Nunez' range at 2b has been questionable. I don't know how well is knee is doing. Holt is pretty good insurance in that regard while Pedroia is out. I honestly have no idea if Swihart can really play 2b, so I can justify the Sox dumping Marrero and keeping Holt who apparently is a lot better than last season when the concussions were still affecting him. I guess with E-Rod and Pomeranz (and Thornburg and Pedroia) starting the season on the DL and Wright being suspended for 15 days, Marrero dealt away, and the two LOOGYs being optioned, barring injury the roster is coming together. Starters: Sale, Price, Porcello, Johnson, Velazquez Relievers: Kimbrel, Smith, Kelly, Hembree, Barnes, Poyner, a pitcher I'm forgetting Catchers: Vazquez, Leon, Swihart Infielders: Ramirez, Nunez, Bogaerts, Devers, Moreland, Holt Outfielders: Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Martinez It seems to me that unless I'm forgetting a significant reliever they could have gone with an 11 man staff and Marrero on the roster. But I am probably forgetting somebody. Anybody know who? If Poyner is making the team, didn’t they need a 40 spot for him which trading Marrero does? |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 24, 2018 18:47:31 GMT -5
Good deal for the Sox with Vazquez. He apparently wanted to stay with the Sox which is a good thing. I normally would have preferred the Sox keep Marrero over Holt because they could stash Holt away in AAA, they don't have another true SS behind Bogaerts should he need a few days off (but not a DL stay), and because they need a glove coming off the bench more than they need a LH bat. That said, I've been reading that Nunez' range at 2b has been questionable. I don't know how well is knee is doing. Holt is pretty good insurance in that regard while Pedroia is out. I honestly have no idea if Swihart can really play 2b, so I can justify the Sox dumping Marrero and keeping Holt who apparently is a lot better than last season when the concussions were still affecting him. I guess with E-Rod and Pomeranz (and Thornburg and Pedroia) starting the season on the DL and Wright being suspended for 15 days, Marrero dealt away, and the two LOOGYs being optioned, barring injury the roster is coming together. Starters: Sale, Price, Porcello, Johnson, Velazquez Relievers: Kimbrel, Smith, Kelly, Hembree, Barnes, Poyner, a pitcher I'm forgetting Catchers: Vazquez, Leon, Swihart Infielders: Ramirez, Nunez, Bogaerts, Devers, Moreland, Holt Outfielders: Benintendi, Bradley, Betts, Martinez It seems to me that unless I'm forgetting a significant reliever they could have gone with an 11 man staff and Marrero on the roster. But I am probably forgetting somebody. Anybody know who? If Poyner is making the team, didn’t they need a 40 spot for him which trading Marrero does? I believe so, so mission accomplished. I guess Poyner will be riding the Pawtucket/Boston shuttle this season. I think he can help the Red Sox at some point this season. I think he's a better lefty option than Scott or Elias, although he's not restricted to being a LOOGY like those two are. I would guess, getting ahead of ourselves here, that the idea is to hang onto Brian Johnson (who'd replace Poyner in the pen when one of the starters returns) so that either he or Wright replace Pomeranz should he defect after this season and if they need to save $ the other whether it's Wright or Johnson could replace Porcello if he leaves after 2019. They'd buy time until Groome/Houke/Mata are ready around 2021 or so. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 24, 2018 20:13:20 GMT -5
The Christian Vazquez has some risk, but seems like a bargain. Even if he doesn't progress, or regresses, that 6.25m year is very reasonable. And if he does improve, the 6.25m FA year and 7m option could be bargains (especially if you expect salaries going up again next year). For perspective, he was worth more than that last year, in all of 85 games. The MLB narrative pointed out that his 42% caught stealing is the best since 1987. I think the Sox know a bargain when they see one. |
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Post by dirtdog on Mar 24, 2018 21:22:29 GMT -5
I dont know how anybody can complain about the Vasquez deal. The hardest position player to find is a competent catcher and even if last year is as good as he is going to be going forward, it was a bargain.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 24, 2018 21:55:18 GMT -5
IMO Vasquez just did the Sox a big favor, he will out perform that contract easily. Good for the Sox and all but who is representing him?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 24, 2018 23:07:23 GMT -5
Love the CV deal and hoping to hear soon about Benny and Devers Re: Benintendi, any of you guys can explain me why the Sox seem to play Mookie exclusively in RF even in ST? I mean, even when JBJ is not in the lineup it's always AB who plays CF? I think Mookie is a better CFer than Benny but the team seems very reluctant to give him some reps in there. I think the Sox are more reluctant to put Benny in RF, where he's never played before. They know Mookie can handle CF, if need be. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 24, 2018 23:30:46 GMT -5
Yeap as Champs mentioned, Poyner is making this team (at some point, whether it be game 1 or game 5 of the season) and he'll be added to this 40 man roster after the Marrero trade. The real question I have right now has to do with Velazquez and Elias. Does anyone know if Elias has already been optioned to AAA yet? Cora has already mentioned that Eduardo Rodriguez is starting the year on the DL (not ready yet). So Velazquez is starting what seems to be game 4 of the season. Not a big deal at all. The Sox don't need Velazquez after that one start. The Sox only need 4 starters until April 14th or something like that (as Eric pointed out). If the Sox already optioned Elias, they could bring him back up after game 4 of the season to add a extra arm. Not a big deal if they haven't, but it's good to play with a roster like this to keep flexibility in case of extra innings or a injury to a starter early in a game. Edit- Looked it up on the Red Sox official transaction page. m.redsox.mlb.com/roster/transactions/Elias was indeed optioned yesterday. I fully expect he'll be up and Velazquez will be sent down after game 4 of the season. The Sox are smart. They probably knew they should have done this once they knew Eduardo Rodriguez wasn't going to be ready to start the year. The Sox could also bring up Scott or Lin too if they wanted because they both were optioned yesterday, but I expect it to be Elias because he could at least give the Sox some length out of the bullpen if need be. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 24, 2018 23:52:46 GMT -5
What's also interesting is that if the Sox saw someone they really liked on waivers that was too hard to pass up (most likely a arm), the Sox could also transfer Marco Hernandez to the 60 man DL and open up another 40 man roster spot out of spring training.
They could assign Poyner to AAA until game 5 of the season (and send Velazquez down) and select his contract (when they need to in game 5 of the season) if they find another arm from another organization.
This is probably why the Sox might wait (until the last second) to add Poyner until the first game of the season (if they find no one on waivers). If they do find another arm from another organization, Elias won't be the one that is called up, it'll be Poyner.
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