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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 25, 2018 0:19:04 GMT -5
I would guess, getting ahead of ourselves here, that the idea is to hang onto Brian Johnson (who'd replace Poyner in the pen when one of the starters returns) so that either he or Wright replace Pomeranz should he defect after this season and if they need to save $ the other whether it's Wright or Johnson could replace Porcello if he leaves after 2019. They'd buy time until Groome/Houke/Mata are ready around 2021 or so. This is a great point Champs, excellent really. If Wright or Johnson (moreso Wright imo) can prove that they can stay more healthier in 2018, the Sox could more easily move on from Pomeranz in 2019. This could open up a Kimbrel extension, rather than a Pomeranz extension. Eduardo Rodriguez taking a huge leap in 2018 could also be a factor in this decision. Let's face it, this is a huge year in terms of consistency for Eduardo. He needs to start "proving it," rather than be a player "with potential."
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 25, 2018 1:30:59 GMT -5
Last post, but Scott Kazmir was just released. The Sox should sign him to a June 15th opt out minor league deal as he deals with his arm fatigue that caused him to be released by the Braves. The Sox could really use the depth, just in case. Kazmir might have 5-10 good starts left in the tank somewhere.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2018 8:20:35 GMT -5
Love the CV deal and hoping to hear soon about Benny and Devers Re: Benintendi, any of you guys can explain me why the Sox seem to play Mookie exclusively in RF even in ST? I mean, even when JBJ is not in the lineup it's always AB who plays CF? I think Mookie is a better CFer than Benny but the team seems very reluctant to give him some reps in there. I think the Sox are more reluctant to put Benny in RF, where he's never played before. They know Mookie can handle CF, if need be. Also, Fenway right field is huge and Betts plays it extremely well and has a better arm. Furthermore, if JD Martinez gets OF time it will be in left field because it’s smaller (in Fenway) so why would we move so many guys around. I bet Beni could play some right field this year to keep JD out of there when Mookie is given his days off.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 25, 2018 8:22:28 GMT -5
I think the Sox are more reluctant to put Benny in RF, where he's never played before. They know Mookie can handle CF, if need be. Also, Fenway right field is huge and Betts plays it extremely well and has a better arm. Furthermore, if JD Martinez gets OF time it will be in left field because it’s smaller (in Fenway) so why would we move so many guys around. I bet Beni could play some right field this year to keep JD out of there when Mookie is given his days off. It's either that or the Sox try out Swihart in RF Fenway (I think he could be pretty good out there).
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2018 8:27:28 GMT -5
I’m really interested to see what happens to salaries. Baseball, could be going the way of the NBA in some respects. Legit stars get huge money deals, stars with question marks (JD Martinez) fall well short of that but still get great money and the rest end up with a lot less than expected. Porcello’s extension is a good example. He might not see 20m in this years market so we once thought that was a good deal and now maybe it’s s slight overpay. Pomeranz, may have to settle for the 15m a year range on his next contract. Which honestly, I feel is how these things should work.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 25, 2018 9:09:36 GMT -5
I’m really interested to see what happens to salaries. Baseball, could be going the way of the NBA in some respects. Legit stars get huge money deals, stars with question marks (JD Martinez) fall well short of that but still get great money and the rest end up with a lot less than expected. Porcello’s extension is a good example. He might not see 20m in this years market so we once thought that was a good deal and now maybe it’s s slight overpay. Pomeranz, may have to settle for the 15m a year range on his next contract. Which honestly, I feel is how these things should work. It is how things should work and their are still a lot external factors that affect value at a certain time, this year will be very different from next. Next year should be very interesting with all the talent that will be available and the teams that won't be considering the tax the same way as they did this year. It will be interesting to see who gets what and from where. I personally would love the Pomeranz we have had the past few years for 15m. If he has another great season I can see him being in the 25 range, if he is just good maybe 15-18. Depends on how much money will be out there on other guys. Could very well be like the NBA as you said. Rich get richer and the middle class gets a little less. Then again teams could show more balance and responsible spending based on the analytics. Either way it should be an interesting period next year.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 25, 2018 9:28:43 GMT -5
I’m really interested to see what happens to salaries. Baseball, could be going the way of the NBA in some respects. Legit stars get huge money deals, stars with question marks (JD Martinez) fall well short of that but still get great money and the rest end up with a lot less than expected. Porcello’s extension is a good example. He might not see 20m in this years market so we once thought that was a good deal and now maybe it’s s slight overpay. Pomeranz, may have to settle for the 15m a year range on his next contract. Which honestly, I feel is how these things should work. I think Porcello’s deal is still a bargain because they didn’t have to pay for any decline. It ran from his age 26-30 year old seasons.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 25, 2018 9:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 25, 2018 9:42:01 GMT -5
Can you say first base? Opens up a spot fot Chavis.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 25, 2018 9:48:07 GMT -5
Can you say first base? Opens up a spot fot Chavis. The Sox aren't moving Devers off of third base in the next 6 years of control. I'd imagine it'd be a problem in the next contract (if the Sox extend him).
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 25, 2018 9:56:47 GMT -5
He doesn’t look anywhere close to that big, but he does have a football player’s build. Despite his size, he’s still quite athletic so I don’t see a problem with his weight yet. It’s not like putting Miguel Cabrera at 3B when they signed Fielder.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 25, 2018 10:09:04 GMT -5
If he weighs 237 at 21 he will have to work hard and or make some changes in his eating habits for it not to be a problem in the future. Your not surprised at how much he weighs? It doesn't make a move to first more likely given it has been discussed already. Maybe not a big problem, pardon the pun, but it is certainly something the Sox will be keeping track of.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 25, 2018 10:17:23 GMT -5
It is just a surprise to me as he doesn't look that big. In regards to build I am that way. People guess my weight to be 180s when I am actually 225, just built thickly. The fear is him being mature and responsible enough to maintain that wt and not go to 255+. Miguel Cabrera comes to mind but their have been plenty, like our very own salary pit Pablo.
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 25, 2018 10:31:33 GMT -5
Maybe that’s just inaccurate
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2018 11:06:29 GMT -5
Looking at the weight alone in a vacuum is pretty meaningless. Body type, how he’s carrying it, why he weighs that much etc are all needed to put it into context. His body is still changing, he hasn’t made real money yet. Let’s see what he does as he ages and has money. Is he disciplined? Does he work hard? Will he have a personal chef cooking right for him? It’s really not hard for professional athletes with money to eat right; they just have to care to.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 25, 2018 11:08:53 GMT -5
I’m really interested to see what happens to salaries. Baseball, could be going the way of the NBA in some respects. Legit stars get huge money deals, stars with question marks (JD Martinez) fall well short of that but still get great money and the rest end up with a lot less than expected. Porcello’s extension is a good example. He might not see 20m in this years market so we once thought that was a good deal and now maybe it’s s slight overpay. Pomeranz, may have to settle for the 15m a year range on his next contract. Which honestly, I feel is how these things should work. I think Porcello’s deal is still a bargain because they didn’t have to pay for any decline. It ran from his age 26-30 year old seasons. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, but I wouldn’t call it a bargain either. I agree though the ages are key. He might have to actually put together some consistent seasons to figure out where his decline is though... ha
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 25, 2018 11:25:34 GMT -5
Potential roster move schedule:
(Pomeranz prep starts: 3/28, 4/2. E-Rod prep starts: 3/29, 4/3, 4/8).
4/2: Velazquez optioned; Scott, Elias, or, most likely Lin recalled. They won't need 8 bullpen guys for the home opener with Price starting and off days before and after, and then Johnson will be available in the pen. So do they really need 8 relievers including 2 LHR for the 2 games against the Marlins, whose lineup has just two LHB (Dietrich and Bour)? Of course, a 3rd backup infielder isn't that helpful, either. (They could really use a AAAA OF with options.) So if they recall Scott or Elias, it's to audition him further vs. Poyner.
4/7: Johnson available in the pen.
4/8: Pomeranz off DL, extra guy recalled on 4/2 sent down (or Poyner, if they did recall Scott or Elias and he's moved ahead of him as LHR). They have the option of bring E-Rod back and then Pomeranz, if the latter is coming along more slowly. 4/14: E-Rod off DL; Workman or Poyner optioned, or Hembree traded.
4/16: Wright restored from restricted list: ditto.
I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Hembree gets the last bullpen spot just because he's the guy who's out of options. There's an argument that Workman is a better RHR, and another argument that Poyner, Scott, or Elias as a second LHR would be more useful. A lot of Hembree's value is his ability to go two or three innings, but in a bullpen that has Wright and Johnson, that value is reduced. And it seems as if they have enough organizational pitching depth to spare him.
I actually think that's the more interesting roster decision than who goes when Pedroia returns, because I think that Leon is the obvious answer for that one.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 25, 2018 13:05:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the hell MLB is doing to hide their videos or why they're doing it, but Xander's HR yesterday was what we all dreamed of for him. You have to click on the Xander HR video because I can't hotlink it. www.mlb.com/gameday/astros-vs-red-sox/2018/03/24/534219#game_state=final,game_tab=videos,game=534219 Mookie also led off the game today with a bomb. Would love to see the statcast on it. I'd guess at least 430.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 25, 2018 13:10:02 GMT -5
Fangraphs has Devers at 195 which is almost definitely an outdated number
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 25, 2018 13:13:31 GMT -5
Fangraphs has Devers at 195 which is almost definitely an outdated number Why?
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 25, 2018 13:39:20 GMT -5
More bombs from Mookie (2nd of day) and Benny.
Benny's homers have been crushed in spring training. Looks a hell of a lot stronger.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 25, 2018 13:39:39 GMT -5
Because it's the only site I could find that had him under 200.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 25, 2018 13:41:08 GMT -5
We have a Kimbrel sighting
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 25, 2018 13:42:46 GMT -5
I hate to pay attention to spring training stats, but it is still encouraging to see Mookie, Benny and Xander OPS'ing well over 1.000. Vazquez also.
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Post by 75tillnow on Mar 25, 2018 13:50:06 GMT -5
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