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Post by James Dunne on May 22, 2018 7:23:03 GMT -5
We've gone one way tapping a niche of under-sized , perhaps underrated for that reason, players. ABSOLUTELY underrated for that reason. If they were 6'2" there's no chance Pedroia is there in the second round, or Betts is an afterthought. Andrew Benintendi goes no lower than 1-2 if he's three inches taller. Jackie Bradley is a top 10 pick. It's why I was so hopeful that Keston Hiura would fall to them last year. "We're going to take the guy who can hit without regard to his height" has served the Red Sox extraordinarily well. I wish they'd have taken the same route with pitchers.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 22, 2018 11:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on May 22, 2018 13:53:19 GMT -5
From the same chat. I think Cortes would be a good pick in this range. He's a LF only guy though so if you go a corner college guy in the first this wouldn't make sense. Conference Tournaments start today so it will be intetesting to see if Dom is spotted anywhere.
Tim: Why doesn’t Carlos Cortes get talked about more? I heard his name a lot before the year and nothing now . Is it just his low average causing contact concerns?
1:04 Kiley McDaniel: Terrible start to the year, has been hot of late, 60 raw and some feel to hit, should go 2nd-4th area
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Post by jdb on May 23, 2018 10:10:29 GMT -5
Jenista faced LH USF pitcher McClanahan today and didn’t appear to be over matched. 1-2 with a walk and no Ks. Kiley McDainel was there and said there was a few GMs on hand. Hopefully he updates us soon.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 24, 2018 8:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on May 24, 2018 10:53:15 GMT -5
Seth Beer was 3 for 6 with two doubles and a homer and is up to .314/.464/.657 with 20 homers, 48 walks, and 31 Ks.
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Post by ramireja on May 24, 2018 12:40:51 GMT -5
Seth Beer was 3 for 6 with two doubles and a homer and is up to .314/.464/.657 with 20 homers, 48 walks, and 31 Ks. I don't want to rain on your draft beer parade....but its important to note that some in the industry have him as a 20 runner, DH only type. Bat would have to be incredibly legit.
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Post by James Dunne on May 24, 2018 12:44:07 GMT -5
He's an outstanding athlete and his arm is decent. The idea that he couldn't at least be a capable corner outfielder is, to me, insane. At the VERY worst he's Bryce Brentz out there, where his gaffes make him an overall negative in the field, but he could still play there. And the power is a lot more potent than Brentz's, with contact ability and approach that are in a different universe.
I really think this is a case of a guy killing it his Freshman year and people picking up flaws because he didn't improve statistically like they thought he would. But the difference is basically that .355 BABIP freshman year. Everything else has been same old killing the ball.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 24, 2018 13:03:21 GMT -5
Hat tip to our own Shawn McGrath for reminding me of this in a staff discussion, but I just want to remind everyone that USF OF Chris Chatfield is once again draft-eligible after he went to school rather than sign with San Diego in 2015.
He's been thoroughly mediocre and I'm sure he won't get drafted, but he's eligible.
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Post by ramireja on May 24, 2018 13:05:01 GMT -5
He's an outstanding athlete and his arm is decent. The idea that he couldn't at least be a capable corner outfielder is, to me, insane. At the VERY worst he's Bryce Brentz out there, where his gaffes make him an overall negative in the field, but he could still play there. And the power is a lot more potent than Brentz's, with contact ability and approach that are in a different universe. I really think this is a case of a guy killing it his Freshman year and people picking up flaws because he didn't improve statistically like they thought he would. But the difference is basically that .355 BABIP freshman year. Everything else has been same old killing the ball. Yeah, I'll note that I've never seen the guy play so I'm not offering a personal opinion. I'm only repeating what I've seen recently: From Keith Law: From Kiley McDaniel:
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Post by James Dunne on May 24, 2018 13:23:55 GMT -5
I know baseball athleticism and other-sport athleticism are different animals, but guy was a world class swimmer six years ago before choosing baseball full time. He held the age group world record in the 50M backstroke: www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/meet-national-age-group-record-setter-in-august-issue-of-junior-swimmer-section/He has a funny running form, but the gap between his athletic feats and the interpretation of him as a bad athlete just seems crazy. EDIT: I guess that's why he's such a polarizing player right now, though. There's a pretty big gap between "gaffe-prone good athlete with a chance to hit .300/.400/.500" and "mistake hitter with 20-grade athleticism." I'm just firmly in the former camp.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 24, 2018 13:45:28 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on May 24, 2018 14:42:59 GMT -5
Hat tip to our own Shawn McGrath for reminding me of this in a staff discussion, but I just want to remind everyone that USF OF Chris Chatfield is once again draft-eligible after he went to school rather than sign with San Diego in 2015. He's been thoroughly mediocre and I'm sure he won't get drafted, but he's eligible. Funny. The Red Sox drafted my namesake in 2010 but he wasn't signed. Looks like he's retired now after reaching AAA with the Cubs.
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Post by jimoh on May 25, 2018 6:07:54 GMT -5
I know baseball athleticism and other-sport athleticism are different animals, but guy was a world class swimmer six years ago before choosing baseball full time. He held the age group world record in the 50M backstroke: www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/meet-national-age-group-record-setter-in-august-issue-of-junior-swimmer-section/He has a funny running form, but the gap between his athletic feats and the interpretation of him as a bad athlete just seems crazy. EDIT: I guess that's why he's such a polarizing player right now, though. There's a pretty big gap between "gaffe-prone good athlete with a chance to hit .300/.400/.500" and "mistake hitter with 20-grade athleticism." I'm just firmly in the former camp. Doesn't being a world-class swimmer basically mean you have a very weird body that is perfectly adapted to swimming? And apart from wanting pitchers to have stamina and not get lat pulls, isn't there nothing about swimming that is remotely similar to anything you do on a baseball field? Feet like Bozo the Clown would be great for a swimmer, right? Surely "no athleticism" on this board means "no athleticism relevant to baseball."
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 25, 2018 6:57:55 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2018 7:19:47 GMT -5
I know baseball athleticism and other-sport athleticism are different animals, but guy was a world class swimmer six years ago before choosing baseball full time. He held the age group world record in the 50M backstroke: www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/meet-national-age-group-record-setter-in-august-issue-of-junior-swimmer-section/He has a funny running form, but the gap between his athletic feats and the interpretation of him as a bad athlete just seems crazy. EDIT: I guess that's why he's such a polarizing player right now, though. There's a pretty big gap between "gaffe-prone good athlete with a chance to hit .300/.400/.500" and "mistake hitter with 20-grade athleticism." I'm just firmly in the former camp. Doesn't being a world-class swimmer basically mean you have a very weird body that is perfectly adapted to swimming? And apart from wanting pitchers to have stamina and not get lat pulls, isn't there nothing about swimming that is remotely similar to anything you do on a baseball field? Feet like Bozo the Clown would be great for a swimmer, right? Surely "no athleticism" on this board means "no athleticism relevant to baseball." Right, but isn't the athleticism relevant to baseball basically his hand-eye coordination to hit 20 homers and pitch recognition to walk 50% more often than he strikes out, stuff like that, right? He doesn't have an obviously overlong torso like Michael Phelps or something. He might have huge feet, that would make me love him even more though. When I see someone throw around a "20-grade athlete" I'm thinking of something like Matt Stairs or Jeremy Giambi or late-career David Wells or plantar fasciitis-era one-footed Albert Pujols or something like that. And look, if you're deciding between trusting the scouting eye of Keith Law and Kiley McDaniel against the scouting eye of me, choose them every time. They can definitely see stuff that I don't, and they get a lot more opportunity to watch these guys than I do - I'm basically going by video highlights and the game or two of Clemson I happen to catch on TV each year. There's just a weird disconnect here that I'm kind of fascinated by.
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Post by bcsox on May 25, 2018 16:13:28 GMT -5
looking for the boards thoughts on a couple of draft prospects:
1. local boy Vassil from BC High. Saw him pre-arm injury around the top 10-20 and then he fell out when he got shut down. He is back throwing is supposedly in mid 90's but with innings restrictions. Are the Sox reaching too much with their first round pick if they took him due to his being a high school pitcher with a recent arm injury?
2. Not sure if there has been discussion on here and I imagine it is not something that will happen but how would this board deal with Heimlich in a red sox uniform? He will get drafted by someone, and there will be outrage, but what if that someone were the sox. I imagine he would be better off outside of a major city where there will be less scrutiny, but he seems like a top few round talent, who will drop dramatically. I imagine everyones answer will be no, but is it worth it to take a flier on him in the 15-20th round if he is still there and see how much backlash you get after drafting him?
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Post by lennsakata on May 26, 2018 23:07:26 GMT -5
Random thoughts on draft as we get closer...Seems like Kumar Rocker has slowly been dropping. Is that a result of any red flags or is it just others rising over him? I remember thinking people were way too dismissive of Jose Fernandez because of his dumpy lower half and lack of remaining projection despite his velocity being MLB plus as a HS'er. If he or Hankins were available I'd love to grab one of the two even if it necessitates an under slot in round 3/4. Really like Connor Scott but he seems to be moving from just out of reach to no chance at this point...odd how similar he seems to Kyle Tucker being from the same HS. I'm kind of digging Larnach if we end up going college bat...Matt Mclain is a guy who will not seem overly exciting in round 2 but seems like he'll be a solid bet to have a nice career...maybe at second base. Brennen Davis seems like an intriguing swing for the fences.
Also, is Mark Kotsay the most comp'd player in the history of drafts across all sports?
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Post by James Dunne on May 26, 2018 23:11:36 GMT -5
Also, is Mark Kotsay the most comp'd player in the history of drafts across all sports? Chuckled audibly at this. Kotsay as an amateur, Zobrist once they're in the minor leagues.
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Post by alex710707 on May 27, 2018 8:20:55 GMT -5
Random thoughts on draft as we get closer...Seems like Kumar Rocker has slowly been dropping. Is that a result of any red flags or is it just others rising over him? I remember thinking people were way too dismissive of Jose Fernandez because of his dumpy lower half and lack of remaining projection despite his velocity being MLB plus as a HS'er. If he or Hankins were available I'd love to grab one of the two even if it necessitates an under slot in round 3/4. Really like Connor Scott but he seems to be moving from just out of reach to no chance at this point...odd how similar he seems to Kyle Tucker being from the same HS. I'm kind of digging Larnach if we end up going college bat...Matt Mclain is a guy who will not seem overly exciting in round 2 but seems like he'll be a solid bet to have a nice career...maybe at second base. Brennen Davis seems like an intriguing swing for the fences. Also, is Mark Kotsay the most comp'd player in the history of drafts across all sports? I hope Kumar Rocker drop to us and front office smart enough to draft him. It's stupid the Forrest Whitley dropped to 17th overall. Let's see how far Rocker will drop.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 27, 2018 18:41:07 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on May 28, 2018 9:26:24 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this but figured here would be a decent start. We have discussed the tanking and the upcoming CBA here on SP as to how teams are strategically doing things these days and how it is affecting the game. How would making all picks become available to trade change things?
Would it mean enough to have a strong affect on tanking if it wasn't the only way to obtain high draft picks? What are the reasons that they are currently not allowed to be traded and given the landscape does it still make sense? I expect there will be some strong responses and thoughts on making these picks available via trade!
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Post by jdb on May 29, 2018 10:31:11 GMT -5
The closer we get the more I’m liking some HS bats. I really like Schnell CF from Indiana and Groshans seems like he’d be a good pick.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 29, 2018 14:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on May 29, 2018 17:55:46 GMT -5
I’m hoping for Beer Sharts come Monday night.
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