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Post by James Dunne on Apr 20, 2018 9:51:15 GMT -5
Devers is excellent at charging balls and also very good going to his left. He struggles with his balance and footwork on very hard hit balls straight at him, and, even if he fields them cleanly, has a bad habit of rushing his throws on those plays unnecessarily (possibly because the footwork on those plays doesn't come naturally to him). His defense having holes is partially a function of his bat pushing him to the majors before he was a finished project defensively. Which was the right decision, of course. You know, the whole 'never pass on an improvement because you're waiting for perfection' cliche, all that jazz.
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 20, 2018 9:54:58 GMT -5
Maybe it’s nit picky, but can you be great defensively while also leading the league in errors? Not saying that Devers is bad or should be taken out, but I think great is a stretch. He will be great. Just not yet, too inexperienced. Yes, you can be great while leading the league in errors if you have higher than average range like Devers has. Maybe great is stretching it, but I kinda meant great for Devers compared to last year. Both Fangraphs and B-Ref rate him as above average overall. And yeah it's early and those stats have not stabilized but watching him play matches that rating for me. Errors is a counting stat and pretty worthless. Is David Price a better 3B than Devers because he has 4 fewer errors at 3B? OK, you had me and then you lost me. I agree that Devers is an above average fielder but my personal definition of great would be without those mistakes on a consistent basis. If those numbers do stabilize, then it’s a different story. At his age, he’s well above the curve, and “greatness” will come with age and experience. Errors isn’t the most important stat when it comes to fielding, but not making errors is the kind of key. But where you completely lost me is the David Price analogy. David Price doesn’t play third. Now if you had said a 3B that’s a worse defender than Devers but currently has less errors I would agree with the validity of your errors claim. But David Price? That makes zero sense.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 20, 2018 9:56:05 GMT -5
Maybe it’s nit picky, but can you be great defensively while also leading the league in errors? Not saying that Devers is bad or should be taken out, but I think great is a stretch. He will be great. Just not yet, too inexperienced. Yes, you can be great while leading the league in errors if you have higher than average range like Devers has. Maybe great is stretching it, but I kinda meant great for Devers compared to last year. Both Fangraphs and B-Ref rate him as above average overall. And yeah it's early and those stats have not stabilized but watching him play matches that rating for me. Errors is a counting stat and pretty worthless. Is David Price a better 3B than Devers because he has 4 fewer errors at 3B? Derek Jeter won all those GG because he makes no errors
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 20, 2018 10:04:45 GMT -5
Yes, you can be great while leading the league in errors if you have higher than average range like Devers has. Maybe great is stretching it, but I kinda meant great for Devers compared to last year. Both Fangraphs and B-Ref rate him as above average overall. And yeah it's early and those stats have not stabilized but watching him play matches that rating for me. Errors is a counting stat and pretty worthless. Is David Price a better 3B than Devers because he has 4 fewer errors at 3B? OK, you had me and then you lost me. I agree that Devers is an above average fielder but my personal definition of great would be without those mistakes on a consistent basis. If those numbers do stabilize, then it’s a different story. At his age, he’s well above the curve, and “greatness” will come with age and experience. Errors isn’t the most important stat when it comes to fielding, but not making errors is the kind of key. But where you completely lost me is the David Price analogy. David Price doesn’t play third. Now if you had said a 3B that’s a worse defender than Devers but currently has less errors I would agree with the validity of your errors claim. But David Price? That makes zero sense. The Price thing was an extreme example of why # of errors is meaningless. You can't make an error if you didn't touch a ball.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 20, 2018 12:52:18 GMT -5
I wanted to see Lin in action at SS and see him at the plate. At initial glance I, too, now see Lin as an upgrade to Marrero with the bat.
Don't know how good Lin would be offensively, but he has way more upside than Marrero who will never be a viable hitter.
And his defense looks fine to me.
Can't imagine why you'd deal anybody to get Marrero back. Guys like that can be picked off the waiver wire when they're released from their current teams. At this point, once Pedroia comes back, Marrero would have no role on the team. The roster spot wouldn't be there. Lin will find himself back at Pawtucket and/or Holt will wind up in AAA. So adding Marrero to that mix - why?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 20, 2018 16:18:04 GMT -5
Devers is excellent at charging balls and also very good going to his left. He struggles with his balance and footwork on very hard hit balls straight at him, and, even if he fields them cleanly, has a bad habit of rushing his throws on those plays unnecessarily (possibly because the footwork on those plays doesn't come naturally to him). His defense having holes is partially a function of his bat pushing him to the majors before he was a finished project defensively. Which was the right decision, of course. You know, the whole 'never pass on an improvement because you're waiting for perfection' cliche, all that jazz. It seems Devers has a hard time getting the ball out of his glove at times too.
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Post by Addam603 on May 15, 2018 19:59:37 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 15, 2018 20:05:49 GMT -5
Sounds like a win for bad hitting Devin Marrero.
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Post by jdb on May 16, 2018 9:49:51 GMT -5
Sounds like we have a new #1 prospect.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 16, 2018 9:55:20 GMT -5
Sounds like a win for bad hitting Devin Marrero. As I pointed out on Twitter, he'd been in Double-A for a year and a half before going back to High A this year, so I feel like Speier's tweet, limited as it is by the Twitter character limit, probably paints too rosy a picture of what Taylor is. That said, this feels a bit like Luis Ysla for me in the sense that there's probably not much there, but this is a half-decent return for a piece I didn't think they'd get much for, so I feel you. That said, I'd also feel better if the Sea Dogs weren't rocking a roster with 9 non-catcher position players right now.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 16, 2018 10:14:03 GMT -5
Visalia is a tough pitching environment. But those Cal League Mojave desert towns - Lancaster and San Bernardino are two - are real flyways, so this does look like a decent return.
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