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4/2-4/3 Red Sox @ Marlins Series Thread
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 3, 2018 8:34:26 GMT -5
Addison Reed has gone 3 straight days 21 times in his career (once went 4).
1st day: 20.2 IP, 10 K/9, 0.43 ERA, 0.87 BB/9, 0.72 WHIP. 2nd day: 20.1 IP, 11.5 K/9, 1.33 ERA, 0.88 BB/9, 0.54 WHIP 3rd day: 16.2 IP, 8.6 K/9, 4.32 ERA, 4.32 BB/9, 1.92 WHIP.
These results are a very small sample size and I’d bet they’re part of a larger trend of relievers having worse numbers the longer they’re used without rest, but it seems to be a good idea not to push guys too long without rest.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 3, 2018 8:45:02 GMT -5
Speaking of reliever usage, it was kind of nice to see Junichi Tazawa last night. It's tougher than it looks to put together a long career in middle relief of being rarely great but always unquestionably good enough. He had really nice years for those mediocre (or worse) 2012, 2014, and 2015 teams, and of course as Koji's setup man in 2013. He was particularly outstanding in the first two months of 2015, until he hit the wall after pitching in 29 of the team's first 61 games: www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=tazawju01&t=p&year=2015#189-217-sum:pitching_gamelogsHe's not a Top-100 guy in Red Sox history or anything, but he deserves a firm handshake at the very least. It's very valuable to have homegrown guys fill in those 7th/8th inning roles on the cheap.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 3, 2018 8:55:53 GMT -5
Never would have expected that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 3, 2018 9:06:26 GMT -5
I need the secret to your body always feeling the same and your energy levels never changing.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 3, 2018 10:01:42 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll consider going to a 6 man rotation with Johnson. 6 man rotation is officially baseball herpes, it always finds a surprising way to come back.
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Post by p23w on Apr 3, 2018 10:05:15 GMT -5
5 for 5 in strong starting pitching performances. The Sox definitely have the best #7 and #8 starters in the league. Johnson looked really solid out there. Hanley is acting like he's serious about being a 30-30 guy. Guess he wants Cora to treat him to dinner. Cora is doing a good job of utilizing his entire roster. Of course playing the Marlins and Rays allows you the luxury of that, but he does have the pieces and he is using them. I'm curious about when Betts and Bogaerts, especially Bogaerts will get a rest and I'm curious who his SS will be, whether it's Holt or Nunez. I'm also curious about how he's going to continue to get Swihart more time. If I'm not mistaken, he has started one game at 3b, DHed one game and pinch-hit tonight. I worry about the bullpen but the rotation, lineup, and bench is pretty strong. Against two teams with less than average offenses. Cora "blew" game #1. Plain and simple. Houston has the best #7 and #8 starters in the league.... and it isn't even close. Dombrowski let Reed go. There is you answer to a reliable bullpen. Bench is very strong. The line up "should" be strong, but it is too early to tell. Bogaerts looks reborn and Devers looks like the real deal we all hoped he would be.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 3, 2018 10:15:15 GMT -5
Speaking of reliever usage, it was kind of nice to see Junichi Tazawa last night. It's tougher than it looks to put together a long career in middle relief of being rarely great but always unquestionably good enough. He had really nice years for those mediocre (or worse) 2012, 2014, and 2015 teams, and of course as Koji's setup man in 2013. He was particularly outstanding in the first two months of 2015, until he hit the wall after pitching in 29 of the team's first 61 games: www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=tazawju01&t=p&year=2015#189-217-sum:pitching_gamelogsHe's not a Top-100 guy in Red Sox history or anything, but he deserves a firm handshake at the very least. It's very valuable to have homegrown guys fill in those 7th/8th inning roles on the cheap. Tazawa also got one of the most important outs in Red Sox history. He came into Game 6 of the 2013 World Series with the bases loaded and the Sox up 5 and within 2 pitches he retired Allen Craig on a hard hopper to Napoli who flagged it and threw to Tazawa covering. Once he got that out, any worries or concerns about the Sox winning the Series dissipated. I'll always remember him very fondly for that! Look forward to seeing him when the Red Sox bring back the 2013 team for some sort of tribute at some point in the future (Koji better be there, too!)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 3, 2018 10:22:04 GMT -5
5 for 5 in strong starting pitching performances. The Sox definitely have the best #7 and #8 starters in the league. Johnson looked really solid out there. Hanley is acting like he's serious about being a 30-30 guy. Guess he wants Cora to treat him to dinner. Cora is doing a good job of utilizing his entire roster. Of course playing the Marlins and Rays allows you the luxury of that, but he does have the pieces and he is using them. I'm curious about when Betts and Bogaerts, especially Bogaerts will get a rest and I'm curious who his SS will be, whether it's Holt or Nunez. I'm also curious about how he's going to continue to get Swihart more time. If I'm not mistaken, he has started one game at 3b, DHed one game and pinch-hit tonight. I worry about the bullpen but the rotation, lineup, and bench is pretty strong. Against two teams with less than average offenses. Cora "blew" game #1. Plain and simple. Houston has the best #7 and #8 starters in the league.... and it isn't even close. Dombrowski let Reed go. There is you answer to a reliable bullpen. Bench is very strong. The line up "should" be strong, but it is too early to tell. Bogaerts looks reborn and Devers looks like the real deal we all hoped he would be. I guess you got me. Who are the Astros 7 and 8 guys? I think Peacock is the 6 guy (and they really need him for that mediocre pen) and McHugh I guess is 7? Who is the 8th guy depth piece? Anyways, can we agree the Sox #7/#8 starters are among the best in the league? Not that they're challenging for Cy Youngs, but that they have the capability of keeping the Sox in the game. The Sox could have used more of that in 2016. Having depth like Velazquez, Wright, and Johnson means you don't have to make a trade for a starting pitcher (which is always costly) if there is an injury or two to the rotation. That's huge. Dombrowski let Reed go because Reed wanted to go and the Sox didn't want to exceed 237 million, so there is the answer. I might not like the answer but I totally understand the answer and have no real issue with it because the Sox can go out and rent the next Addison Reed at the deadline for a lower talent cost price and still stay within 237 million. I think that's easier than trying to pick up the next JD Martinez at the deadline, which this year is Machado. And just so we're totally clear - the Sox do miss Reed, but let's not pretend he was lights out either. He had his struggles as well at times last year with the Sox.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 3, 2018 10:49:17 GMT -5
With Johnson do you really put him in the bullpen when he has never pitched out of the pen? Possible trade if his value is there? I don't think Johnson will fetch much in a trade. He's probably one of those guys that is much more valuable giving you innings versus what he's valued in a trade. Johnson has no major league track record, below average velocity, and durability issues. That isn't going to get you anything. You keep him and try to maximize him. I'll leave aside the fixation on velocity. We'll let this guy deal with that. The idea that Johnson should be treated differently than everyone else only works if you drain the team of its blood. It's not as if the players wouldn't take note of the fact that it's early in the season, the other starters get around 80 pitches, yet he goes to 100. That doesn't have much to do with leadership in my opinion: "Are the rest of you watching? We'll burn this pitcher over here." It's either a team concept or it isn't.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 3, 2018 11:38:49 GMT -5
These results are a very small sample size and I’d bet they’re part of a larger trend of relievers having worse numbers the longer they’re used without rest, but it seems to be a good idea not to push guys too long without rest. When you win the division by 2 games (2017), you may not have a choice.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 3, 2018 11:41:13 GMT -5
Speaking of reliever usage, it was kind of nice to see Junichi Tazawa last night. It's tougher than it looks to put together a long career in middle relief of being rarely great but always unquestionably good enough. He had really nice years for those mediocre (or worse) 2012, 2014, and 2015 teams, and of course as Koji's setup man in 2013. He was particularly outstanding in the first two months of 2015, until he hit the wall after pitching in 29 of the team's first 61 games: www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=tazawju01&t=p&year=2015#189-217-sum:pitching_gamelogsHe's not a Top-100 guy in Red Sox history or anything, but he deserves a firm handshake at the very least. It's very valuable to have homegrown guys fill in those 7th/8th inning roles on the cheap. Tazawa also got one of the most important outs in Red Sox history. He came into Game 6 of the 2013 World Series with the bases loaded and the Sox up 5 and within 2 pitches he retired Allen Craig on a hard hopper to Napoli who flagged it and threw to Tazawa covering. Once he got that out, any worries or concerns about the Sox winning the Series dissipated. I'll always remember him very fondly for that! Look forward to seeing him when the Red Sox bring back the 2013 team for some sort of tribute at some point in the future (Koji better be there, too!) Watched Koji go back to Japan (on video) to a thunderous ovation like a week ago, it was awesome. Koji is one of my favorite Sox players of all-time.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 3, 2018 12:11:35 GMT -5
Speaking of reliever usage, it was kind of nice to see Junichi Tazawa last night. It's tougher than it looks to put together a long career in middle relief of being rarely great but always unquestionably good enough. He had really nice years for those mediocre (or worse) 2012, 2014, and 2015 teams, and of course as Koji's setup man in 2013. He was particularly outstanding in the first two months of 2015, until he hit the wall after pitching in 29 of the team's first 61 games: www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=tazawju01&t=p&year=2015#189-217-sum:pitching_gamelogsHe's not a Top-100 guy in Red Sox history or anything, but he deserves a firm handshake at the very least. It's very valuable to have homegrown guys fill in those 7th/8th inning roles on the cheap. I was and remain a big Tazawa fan. He was a very good reliever for this team for a long while. He had a rough year last year, but has been good for the Marlins so far. Hopefully he bounces back.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 3, 2018 12:23:54 GMT -5
Junichi will always remain one of my favourites for this!
I think that could've been the turning point of that ALDS.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 3, 2018 12:46:45 GMT -5
Junichi will always remain one of my favourites for this! I think that could've been the turning point of that ALDS. I remember that at bat vividly. When Tazawa got strike 2 on Cabrera, Cabrera looked at Tazawa nodded his head towards Tazawa. He was basically telling Tazawa "throw that again, I dare you, I'll catch up to it next time." Tazawa was unfazed and came back and struck him out on a fastball further off the plate. The cockiness of Cabrera might have got the best of him that at bat. Stone Cold Tazawa.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 3, 2018 13:03:45 GMT -5
Junichi will always remain one of my favourites for this! I think that could've been the turning point of that ALDS. I remember that at bat vividly. When Tazawa got strike 2 on Cabrera, Cabrera looked at Tazawa nodded his head towards Tazawa. He was basically telling Tazawa "throw that again, I dare you, I'll catch up to it next time." Tazawa was unfazed and came back and struck him out on a fastball further off the plate. The cockiness of Cabrera might have got the best of him that at bat. Stone Cold Tazawa. If memory serves after Tazawa got Cabrera out, Koji came in throwing his unhittable splitters and Fielder had no chance. Cabrera was injured that series, but it didn't stop him from taking Buchholz deep in Game 2. Koji won the MVP but Fielder contributed as much to the Sox winning that series as anybody did. He didn't hit. He didn't scoop Iglesias' throw in the 9th inning of Game 2 and then he didn't catch a foul popup later that inning and the Sox got the game winning hit. How many people remember that it was Salty who won the game with a hit? Everybody remembers Ortiz. Also who got the L? The Tigers reliever was Rick Porcello. I remember Fielder making an awful base running play that turned Game 6 of the ALCS. The Tigers had gone ahead 2-1 (why Franklin Morales, Farrell???!!) and had runners on 1st and 3rd and Fielder got trapped off of 3rd on a grounder to Pedroia. It absolutely killed the Tigers' big inning and then an inning later Victorino hit the grand slam that sent the Sox to the Series.
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Post by p23w on Apr 3, 2018 13:39:09 GMT -5
I'll remember the 2013 playoffs as the year the Sox got all the breaks and bounces. Miggy had an oblique issue, Koji was awesome and somehow Farrell made all the right moves. But, hey we were the last team standing and that's what counts.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 3, 2018 14:00:26 GMT -5
I'll remember the 2013 playoffs as the year the Sox got all the breaks and bounces. Miggy had an oblique issue, Koji was awesome and somehow Farrell made all the right moves. But, hey we were the last team standing and that's what counts. ![](https://preview.ibb.co/cFrdCH/BW.jpg)
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 3, 2018 14:02:12 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll consider going to a 6 man rotation with Johnson. 6 man rotation is officially baseball herpes, it always finds a surprising way to come back. I mean they have at least 6 strong starters and it would be an easier way of managing everyone's innings if they can adjust.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 3, 2018 14:06:29 GMT -5
I remember that at bat vividly. When Tazawa got strike 2 on Cabrera, Cabrera looked at Tazawa nodded his head towards Tazawa. He was basically telling Tazawa "throw that again, I dare you, I'll catch up to it next time." Tazawa was unfazed and came back and struck him out on a fastball further off the plate. The cockiness of Cabrera might have got the best of him that at bat. Stone Cold Tazawa. If memory serves after Tazawa got Cabrera out, Koji came in throwing his unhittable splitters and Fielder had no chance. Cabrera was injured that series, but it didn't stop him from taking Buchholz deep in Game 2. Koji won the MVP but Fielder contributed as much to the Sox winning that series as anybody did. He didn't hit. He didn't scoop Iglesias' throw in the 9th inning of Game 2 and then he didn't catch a foul popup later that inning and the Sox got the game winning hit. How many people remember that it was Salty who won the game with a hit? Everybody remembers Ortiz. Also who got the L? The Tigers reliever was Rick Porcello. I remember Fielder making an awful base running play that turned Game 6 of the ALCS. The Tigers had gone ahead 2-1 (why Franklin Morales, Farrell???!!) and had runners on 1st and 3rd and Fielder got trapped off of 3rd on a grounder to Pedroia. It absolutely killed the Tigers' big inning and then an inning later Victorino hit the grand slam that sent the Sox to the Series. I just watched game 2 last week. That's the only reason I remember. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I didn't even remember it was the bullpen cop game before I watched it.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 3, 2018 14:38:59 GMT -5
I'm sure you all know that our starting staff's 0.90 ERA (in exactly 30 IP) leads MLB and that we did it with our #1, 2, 7, and 8.
What you might not know is that Porcello is projected to be the #5 starter (in terms of ERA) everywhere. Pomeranz is the consensus 3 and E-Rod the 4.
It's been impressive.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 3, 2018 14:52:20 GMT -5
1. Eduardo Nunez (R) 2B 2. Andrew Benintendi (L) LF 3. Hanley Ramirez (R) 1B 4. J.D. Martinez (R) RF 5. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS 6. Rafael Devers (L) 3B 7. Christian Vazquez (R) C 8. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF 9. Chris Sale (L) P
Mookie gets the night off. I’m hoping to see Chris Sale with another 2B.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 3, 2018 15:17:35 GMT -5
I mean they have at least 6 strong starters and it would be an easier way of managing everyone's innings if they can adjust. I know and I don't oppose it, I just find it amusing that this conversation pops up from time to time and teams very rarely actually do it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 3, 2018 16:06:17 GMT -5
I just deleted a whole bunch of nonsense. PLEASE just let arguments die, people.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 3, 2018 16:57:32 GMT -5
I mentioned this last night but didn't get a response. I think Wright's roster spot could be in jeopardy. It would suck giving him away for nothing, but there's very little hope that he'd be better than other options since it has been more than a season and a half since he had his good run. Who knows if he could get back to where he was? All I know is that it will be hard to find out if he can and I don't know if the Sox can afford to do it.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 3, 2018 17:35:38 GMT -5
I’m more optimistic than you that Wright can return to his previous level. Of course it’s all subjective, but my thought is that there is a good chance a healthy Wright is better than what Velazquez will probably be.
I’m not sabermetrically smart enough to know what the predictive stats say about that comparison.
With Options available for Poyner, Walden, Velazquez, it seems like DD could manage the very good problem of having too many good arms.
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