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4/5-4/8 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 8, 2018 14:13:04 GMT -5
We get our first break - nice hard hit ball by Hanley. Nice play by the SS - glad the ball was dropped!
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 8, 2018 14:13:06 GMT -5
How about grand slams in consecutive games!
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Post by incandenza on Apr 8, 2018 14:13:30 GMT -5
He had 7 strikeouts in 3.2 innings. His xFIP for the game was 1.48. Very weak contact against him, with one exception. xFIP? Well, then the Sox are losing by only .48 runs in some Platonic Ideal. On the field, he gave up 7 baserunners in 3.2 innings. As I said, they were cheapies, but everything is a line drive in the box score. My point was just that his problem today wasn't that he wasn't "putting batters away"; he put away 7 on Ks, and got cheap contact on almost all the rest. "What do you call a pitcher who spends his career with a great xFIP but a poor ERA and WHIP? A bad pitcher. You can then grumble about hard luck, but the proof is, as they say, in the pudding. " I would agree. But this doesn't describe Rodriguez at all; he has a career 4.33 xFIP and 4.23 ERA. The luck will even out in the end, but not in the course of one game, and in this game he was clearly unlucky (though his pitch count issues are real, and he did have that problem today in an otherwise good performance).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 8, 2018 14:14:35 GMT -5
We are certainly getting the right people up at bat at the right time. Just need a few big hits....JD in a big spot here
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2018 14:14:57 GMT -5
Cmon JD... not the start he’s been looking for.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 8, 2018 14:15:22 GMT -5
Ugh. got one back, four more chances at the Tampa pen - our pen has to do its job.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2018 14:16:13 GMT -5
One run there is a major disappointment.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2018 14:18:08 GMT -5
xFIP? Well, then the Sox are losing by only .48 runs in some Platonic Ideal. On the field, he gave up 7 baserunners in 3.2 innings. As I said, they were cheapies, but everything is a line drive in the box score. My point was just that his problem today wasn't that he wasn't "putting batters away"; he put away 7 on Ks, and got cheap contact on almost all the rest. "What do you call a pitcher who spends his career with a great xFIP but a poor ERA and WHIP? A bad pitcher. You can then grumble about hard luck, but the proof is, as they say, in the pudding. " I would agree. But this doesn't describe Rodriguez at all; he has a career 4.33 xFIP and 4.23 ERA. The luck will even out in the end, but not in the course of one game, and in this game he was clearly unlucky (though his pitch count issues are real, and he did have that problem today in an otherwise good performance). All fair.... my main point is that I don’t necessarily see signs the luck will even out. He has been the same guy for four years. The luck may already have found its equilibrium.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 14:18:46 GMT -5
One run there is a major disappointment. Martinez has been unclutch a little so far early in the season. Had a double play in the ninth inning in the home opener too.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 8, 2018 14:20:00 GMT -5
He had 7 strikeouts in 3.2 innings. His xFIP for the game was 1.48. Very weak contact against him, with one exception. xFIP? Well, then the Sox are losing by only .48 runs in some Platonic Ideal. On the field, he gave up 7 baserunners in 3.2 innings. As I said, they were cheapies, but everything is a line drive in the box score. What do you call a pitcher who spends his career with a great xFIP but a poor ERA and WHIP? A bad pitcher. You can then grumble about hard luck, but the proof is, as they say, in the pudding. I think ERod might still be good, heck, I can imagine bursts of greatness. But there is not a lot that suggests he isn’t more likely to be what he is: the kind of guy who can strike out 7 but also give up 7 runners in a short, inefficient outing. I don't understand how you can admit that the hits were cheap but then dismiss any significance of that. He had a .500 BABIP and a 50% HR/FB rate today. He pitched better than his results. It's right there, you can see it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2018 14:21:07 GMT -5
My point was just that his problem today wasn't that he wasn't "putting batters away"; he put away 7 on Ks, and got cheap contact on almost all the rest. "What do you call a pitcher who spends his career with a great xFIP but a poor ERA and WHIP? A bad pitcher. You can then grumble about hard luck, but the proof is, as they say, in the pudding. " I would agree. But this doesn't describe Rodriguez at all; he has a career 4.33 xFIP and 4.23 ERA. The luck will even out in the end, but not in the course of one game, and in this game he was clearly unlucky (though his pitch count issues are real, and he did have that problem today in an otherwise good performance). All fair.... my main point is that I don’t necessarily see signs the luck will even out. He has been the same guy for four years. The luck may already have found its equilibrium. I think this year will be telling. His first 2 years were him as a young guy... and he’s been hurt too much and he went thru the pitch tipping issue. He literally turned 25 yesterday. Today was his first start of a year with no real spring training. To close the book on him seems foolish.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 8, 2018 14:24:09 GMT -5
My point was just that his problem today wasn't that he wasn't "putting batters away"; he put away 7 on Ks, and got cheap contact on almost all the rest. "What do you call a pitcher who spends his career with a great xFIP but a poor ERA and WHIP? A bad pitcher. You can then grumble about hard luck, but the proof is, as they say, in the pudding. " I would agree. But this doesn't describe Rodriguez at all; he has a career 4.33 xFIP and 4.23 ERA. The luck will even out in the end, but not in the course of one game, and in this game he was clearly unlucky (though his pitch count issues are real, and he did have that problem today in an otherwise good performance). All fair.... my main point is that I don’t necessarily see signs the luck will even out. He has been the same guy for four years. The luck may already have found its equilibrium. I mean, he has a career ERA in the low fours. The guy he's been is a productive MLB pitcher.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 14:25:29 GMT -5
The Poyner magic might be wearing off.
Doesn't look good this game, but a 7-2 start is as good of a start you can ask for.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 14:30:08 GMT -5
All fair.... my main point is that I don’t necessarily see signs the luck will even out. He has been the same guy for four years. The luck may already have found its equilibrium. I mean, he has a career ERA in the low fours. The guy he's been is a productive MLB pitcher. Most of it has come when he's had a knee issue each year too. I'll get concerned when the knee thing pops up again. Again, this is the only inconsistency with Eduardo (wasn't directing my post at you Fenway the Hardway). I'll take Eduardo if he can stay healthy. The problem is that he hasn't been for a lot of each season.
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Post by wildsox on Apr 8, 2018 14:30:53 GMT -5
The Poyner magic might be wearing off. Doesn't look good this game, but a 7-2 start is as good of a start you can ask for. He gives up 1 hit and suddenly the magic is wearing off? Tough Crowd
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 14:33:23 GMT -5
The Poyner magic might be wearing off. Doesn't look good this game, but a 7-2 start is as good of a start you can ask for. He gives up 1 hit and suddenly the magic is wearing off? Tough Crowd You're right, but I don't expect Poyner to be up for long once players like Pomeranz, Pedrioa, Thornburg get healthy. Good depth though.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2018 14:33:55 GMT -5
All fair.... my main point is that I don’t necessarily see signs the luck will even out. He has been the same guy for four years. The luck may already have found its equilibrium. I mean, he has a career ERA in the low fours. The guy he's been is a productive MLB pitcher. I like him, and I never said he was not productive. I’m just saying I have looked at him as a guy with a 1 or 2 ceiling, and I don’t think that is likely to happen. Pitch by pitch, he looks better than anyone on the staff but Sale. But he seems more often than not unable to harness it for a whole game. As for this game, look, say what you want: ultimately this is no good. Guy is at nearly 90 pitches before the end of the 4th. That is not all about cheap hits. That is inefficiency, and that is not very productive for a starter. As for putting guys away: well, take that Gomes hit to right. On the one hand, it was pretty lucky. A fastball most of the way by him. On the other, he got solid wood on a high fastball, and ERod was up much of the day. Up well spotted? Tough to hit. Up poorly spotted: bad things happen.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 14:42:24 GMT -5
J.D. Martinez has looked awful in the outfield in the 3 or 4 games he's played in so far this year. Like he couldn't play the outfield any worse. Just keep him at DH.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 8, 2018 14:43:46 GMT -5
And this is how a promising season can go south really quickly - Xander injured. Just a really bad game in lots of ways.
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Post by cutz on Apr 8, 2018 14:43:58 GMT -5
Man, that doesn't look good for Bogaerts
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 14:44:18 GMT -5
Now Xander looks badly injured. Screw this game.
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Post by Smittyw on Apr 8, 2018 14:44:41 GMT -5
O Deven, where art thou?
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Post by radiohix on Apr 8, 2018 14:45:08 GMT -5
JDM should never see the OF grass again even in NL parks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 8, 2018 14:48:52 GMT -5
So not only is our “best player” not hitting when we need him to. His crappy play in the field has led to another player getting injured.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 8, 2018 14:49:43 GMT -5
Like I've counted 2 runs now that Martinez has cost the Sox in the outfield this year in 9 games and he got Xander injured on a bad play too. All because you can't do what's best for the team Martinez.
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