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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 5, 2018 17:02:26 GMT -5
Manley Ramirez!!
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 5, 2018 17:02:35 GMT -5
Velazquez was pitching while losing in the top of the 9th, but I doubt he gets optioned first. They had an off day yesterday and have another tomorrow. It was a two-run game. If they'd been down five or something, then yeah, but I think it's significant that they went to Velazquez to keep them in a close game there when the bullpen is about to have a lot of rest in a short span. As you said, it's also significant that Poyner was the call before Barnes, Kelly, or Hembree. Go with the hot hand, no more favorites! I love it.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 5, 2018 17:04:30 GMT -5
It's going to be one of those long baseball years. Lol, long extra inning games. At least today was the best possible day to have an extra inning game with a day off before and after.
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Post by soxfanatic on Apr 5, 2018 17:04:31 GMT -5
Beautiful job by Hanley
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Post by Coreno on Apr 5, 2018 17:05:29 GMT -5
Opening day walk off
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 5, 2018 17:05:52 GMT -5
Did you guys know Poyner grew up as a neighbor of Angel Hernandez? Must have been some great neighborhood games with Poyner and every Ray pitcher who pitched today all in the same block.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2018 17:07:56 GMT -5
Did you guys know Poyner grew up as a neighbor of Angel Hernandez? Must have been some great neighborhood games with Poyner and every Ray pitcher who pitched today all in the same block. RJP took a shot at Dave O'Brien and it was quite brilliant lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2018 17:08:48 GMT -5
It's going to be one of those long baseball years. Lol, long extra inning games. At least today was the best possible day to have an extra inning game with a day off before and after. Agreed. We might have found a new set up man today in Poyner too. What a important day.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2018 17:20:27 GMT -5
I feel vindicated for all my Bobby Poyner defending I did in spring training. Don't send that kid down. He throws strikes and has stones.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 5, 2018 17:29:38 GMT -5
I feel vindicated for all my Bobby Poyner defending I did in spring training. Don't send that kid down. He throws strikes and has stones. Yea he’s been good. It’s too bad they played Hanley today though, he’s on pace to get his option.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 5, 2018 17:34:43 GMT -5
I feel vindicated for all my Bobby Poyner defending I did in spring training. Don't send that kid down. He throws strikes and has stones. Yea he’s been good. It’s too bad they played Hanley today though, he’s on pace to get his option. LOL and so it begins.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 5, 2018 17:39:29 GMT -5
No. F’ing. Way.
Busy and tuned out at 2-0. Check in, SOX FOR THE W!!!!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 5, 2018 17:41:56 GMT -5
Great game kept me from doing some tasks....but well worth watching (and hanging out with y'all. Still trying to learn to talk like a NCer!) let's do it again soon....who needs days off during baseball season!
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 5, 2018 17:50:16 GMT -5
Yea he’s been good. It’s too bad they played Hanley today though, he’s on pace to get his option. LOL and so it begins. Sorry couldn’t help myself. I won’t use it too much
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 5, 2018 17:54:25 GMT -5
It’s nice to be getting wins and playing crappy teams while our bats are not doing well.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2018 18:10:16 GMT -5
I feel vindicated for all my Bobby Poyner defending I did in spring training. Don't send that kid down. He throws strikes and has stones. Yea he’s been good. It’s too bad they played Hanley today though, he’s on pace to get his option. They can still manage to get his at bats around 480 if they wanted. If you want a 22 million first baseman who's been worth replacement level the past 3 years, Hanley is your guy.
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Post by wildsox on Apr 5, 2018 18:18:44 GMT -5
I'd be OK with Poyner being our go to guy in the 8th Inning. At least it doesn't look like he will meltdown and walk the side
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 5, 2018 19:36:17 GMT -5
Yea he’s been good. It’s too bad they played Hanley today though, he’s on pace to get his option. They can still manage to get his at bats around 480 if they wanted. If you want a 22 million first baseman who's been worth replacement level the past 3 years, Hanley is your guy. Um no, injured Hanley is replacement level. Healthy Hanley is a major force with his bat. The key is staying healthy for Hanley. Emulating the Tom Brady training plan seems like a good place to start for staying healthy for Hanley. If he wants to train like Brady (there are certainly worst ways to train) and it works well, and he's raking, what's the problem?
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 5, 2018 20:12:39 GMT -5
This game should have been over in the bottom of the 9th. Why have replay if you dont get the calls right? JBJ looked obviously safe at first on the replay where you could see the ball go into the glove,
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 5, 2018 21:22:47 GMT -5
Excited for the 6-1 start.
So through the first week my impressions of this team are that they're playing a similar brand of ball they were playing last year. They are swinging at more strikes though and they're not swinging any more often on balls out of the K zone, so they're doing well in that regard.
Their baserunning is still sloppy, but there's plenty of time for that to improve.
The defense in the outfield is superb, although that's no surprise. The infield defense will improve once Pedroia comes back. Nunez is not so good at 2b, which makes me question how he can even be adequate at SS if Bogaerts actually needs a day off, which he will at some point. Maybe Holt would be better at SS?
The lineup has been pretty lame thus far, which is kind of disappointing, but not something I'm particularly worried about. JD Martinez has been underwhelming and he had a poor AB in a key spot in the game, but honestly I'm not particularly worried about him - he missed out on some spring training and he's in a new place under more pressure - he'll snap out of it and be the force they need.
I like how his presence means that Hanley doesn't have to be the man. Takes the pressure off of him - and he has responded. Hanley looks like 2016 Hanley and kudos to Cora for not falling into a knee-jerk platoon with Moreland, thus minimizing what Hanley can do for this team.
Bogaerts looks like a guy who can bust out. Mookie is looking like Mookie, and Devers has been impressive. Benintendi has not been, but I think it's just a matter of time with him.
The lineup will be fine I believe.
The starters have been awesome. Can't do better than what they've been doing.
I was worried about the bridge to Kimbrel and with good reason. Carson Smith, Joe Kelly, and Matt Barnes have been underwhelming - well more Smith and Kelly than Barnes. With Barnes I lump him in with Kelly because he has great stuff but so little command. He still has the best shot at being the guy who emerges.
Smith should be that guy but it's possible that he just isn't the same guy. His slider works when the the batter swings at the motion but the pitch has been way out of the zone, and the fastball has been mislocated and he's been getting hammered.
Kelly is Kelly. That's not going to change.
Actually the saving grace has been the guys you weren't expecting. Hembree has looked better. Maybe he's more than just a middle guy who's to be a long man if need be. Can't say that he's in the circle of trust, but he's been impressive.
Bobby Poyner has been excellent. Because HE THROWS STRIKES!!! Take note Kelly and Barnes.
Gives the Sox a bit of a dilemna. They can't send down Kelly or Smith if they continue to struggle. They could send down Barnes but I don't think they want to do that. Then eventually Johnson gets displaced to the pen once Pomeranz gets back and Wright at some point rejoins the team, probably in the pen.
Velazquez has already been displaced by E-Rod.
So you look at these displaced guys and you wonder if they wouldn't be better as the 8th inning bridges.
Velazquez was very impressive and has been since he got bombed in his debut against Oakland last year, and looked impressive again in relief today. Johnson looks healthy. Poyner has done nothing to merit being sent down - in fact he's pitching himself into potential high leverage situations.
I don't know how they manipulate the roster to keep these guys around.
I tell myself it's a SSS and it'll work itself out.
I think they clearly will need the next Addison Reed at the deadline this season and once they do their pen might fall into place.
So this looks like a good team. Can't wait until they hit. I'm sure the team ERA won't stay around 2, though, so we'll see how much more offense/runs allowed jumps as things normalize.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 5, 2018 21:35:16 GMT -5
They can still manage to get his at bats around 480 if they wanted. If you want a 22 million first baseman who's been worth replacement level the past 3 years, Hanley is your guy. Um no, injured Hanley is replacement level. Healthy Hanley is a major force with his bat. The key is staying healthy for Hanley. Emulating the Tom Brady training plan seems like a good place to start for staying healthy for Hanley. If he wants to train like Brady (there are certainly worst ways to train) and it works well, and he's raking, what's the problem? I'd rather spend the 22 million AAV on Pomeranz or Kimbrel.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 5, 2018 21:44:45 GMT -5
Um no, injured Hanley is replacement level. Healthy Hanley is a major force with his bat. The key is staying healthy for Hanley. Emulating the Tom Brady training plan seems like a good place to start for staying healthy for Hanley. If he wants to train like Brady (there are certainly worst ways to train) and it works well, and he's raking, what's the problem? I'd rather spend the 22 million AAV on Pomeranz or Kimbrel. Luckily, that's not an actual, mutually exclusive decision that they'll be making.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 5, 2018 21:46:28 GMT -5
Um no, injured Hanley is replacement level. Healthy Hanley is a major force with his bat. The key is staying healthy for Hanley. Emulating the Tom Brady training plan seems like a good place to start for staying healthy for Hanley. If he wants to train like Brady (there are certainly worst ways to train) and it works well, and he's raking, what's the problem? I'd rather spend the 22 million AAV on Pomeranz or Kimbrel. I get where you're coming from. I really do. I want Kimbrel back. I know closers are "replaceable" and I suppose Kimbrel can be but odds are whoever they get will be a noticeable downgrade and given that their rest of the pen is iffy, I'd be scared if that pen got downgraded any further. I suspect Pomeranz will move on. If Johnson and/or Wright show something they can withstand Pomeranz's defection. As far as Hanley goes if he is raking I wouldn't penalize him to prevent his option from vesting. The Sox need all the offense they can get and Hanley is providing. The $22 million investment would only be for the 2019 season and he'd be off the books, along with possibly Porcello's money, and most of Sandoval's money. As it is the highest threshold does receive a significant bump upwards after this season I believe. I think it goes from something like $237 million to $249 million, which gives the Red Sox more room to operate. You figure that maybe Kimbrel gets the money he's making now plus the money Pomeranz is making now, they lose a few million here and there with Kelly leaving, Leon going, and Holt going, which will help pay for the arbitration eligible players. They still have a little wiggle room but not much and they're not going to be major players for any of the remaining major free agents, but I wasn't expecting them to come away with Harper or Machado anyways. More likely they'll have some money to use after the 2019 season which they'll need to keep Sale and Bogaerts around. One other thing to watch are the seasons that Chavis and Travis have because they could wind up trade bait (I can definitely see Chavis getting dealt) and/or if Travis develops. If Travis' spring training power is a mirage and if Chavis is dealt or struggles this season it's not that hard to see Hanley coming back for another season.
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Post by dd on Apr 5, 2018 21:50:01 GMT -5
No. F’ing. Way. Busy and tuned out at 2-0. Check in, SOX FOR THE W!!!! You clearly need to review your life priorities!
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Post by patford on Apr 5, 2018 21:51:19 GMT -5
Aside from Hanley the big take-away if Bobby Poyner . Throws strikes and misses bats. The velo is irrelevant. Koji proved that as did Hanrahan and Pat Light. To miss bats a pitcher needs two pitches with command and separation.
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