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4/10-4/12 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 12, 2018 16:33:25 GMT -5
I remember seeing Bill Lee at a baseball banquet. He was complaining about his golf game. He said his issue was "a Billy Martin - a dead Yank". Not that he's still bitter or anything....... I think only Zimmer is higher on his hit list than Billy Martin. I used to have a girlfriend who had a father who played in an over 60 baseball league on a team with Bill Lee. He was his catcher. Kinda cool, but I never got to meet him. I've met Lee several times. He is so many things. He's down-to-earth, friendly, zany, says crazy things, can be less than tactful to put things kindly. He's a kid or a frat boy who never really grew up. He loves baseball, though. That's not up for debate. I've started reading Bill Nowlin's new book on Tom Yawkey. I skipped to a section in the book where it talks about how ticked off people in the organization were at Lee, blaming him for losing Tom Yawkey's last chance to witness a World Championship. They were very unhappy with Spaceman picking the 7th game of the 1975, against the wrong hitter, Tony Perez, to throw his blooper pitch. Lee had been told not to throw that pitch, particularly to Perez who murdered offspeed, and his Leephus pitch was as offspeed as you can get. It was seen as foolish showboating. Lee still gripes about the blown DP that would have got him out of the inning and would have avoided the confrontation with Perez. To me, after watching a wounded Curt Schilling pitch around 4 errors in Game 2 of the 2004 World Series, that kind of rings hollow. A blown DP isn't a good excuse for allowing that HR to Perez. But to be totally fair, Lee pitched an excellent game and left with a 3-2 lead with 1 out in the 7th inning after he walked Griffey Sr because his blister popped. The problem was the Moret was lousy in relief, Willoughby was great in relief but Johnson pinch-hit for him for no real good reason and used an inexperienced LOOGY for the 9th inning in Jim Burton.....and the Sox didn't hit. The offense was dead after the 3rd inning and Burleson failed to get the bunt down in the last of the 8th and hit into a DP erasing a leadoff walk by Evans. Should have made the decision easy not to pinch-hit Cooper for Willoughby with 2 outs and none on, but the Red Sox usually had brain dead managers so....the rest is history.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 12, 2018 16:55:25 GMT -5
Kelly 6 games, Austin 5 games. Because the league has to troll Red Sox fans.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 12, 2018 16:59:40 GMT -5
I used to have a girlfriend who had a father who played in an over 60 baseball league on a team with Bill Lee. He was his catcher. Kinda cool, but I never got to meet him. I've met Lee several times. He is so many things. He's down-to-earth, friendly, zany, says crazy things, can be less than tactful to put things kindly. He's a kid or a frat boy who never really grew up. He loves baseball, though. That's not up for debate. I've started reading Bill Nowlin's new book on Tom Yawkey. I skipped to a section in the book where it talks about how ticked off people in the organization were at Lee, blaming him for losing Tom Yawkey's last chance to witness a World Championship. They were very unhappy with Spaceman picking the 7th game of the 1975, against the wrong hitter, Tony Perez, to throw his blooper pitch. Lee had been told not to throw that pitch, particularly to Perez who murdered offspeed, and his Leephus pitch was as offspeed as you can get. It was seen as foolish showboating. Lee still gripes about the blown DP that would have got him out of the inning and would have avoided the confrontation with Perez. To me, after watching a wounded Curt Schilling pitch around 4 errors in Game 2 of the 2004 World Series, that kind of rings hollow. A blown DP isn't a good excuse for allowing that HR to Perez. But to be totally fair, Lee pitched an excellent game and left with a 3-2 lead with 1 out in the 7th inning after he walked Griffey Sr because his blister popped. The problem was the Moret was lousy in relief, Willoughby was great in relief but Johnson pinch-hit for him for no real good reason and used an inexperienced LOOGY for the 9th inning in Jim Burton.....and the Sox didn't hit. The offense was dead after the 3rd inning and Burleson failed to get the bunt down in the last of the 8th and hit into a DP erasing a leadoff walk by Evans. Should have made the decision easy not to pinch-hit Cooper for Willoughby with 2 outs and none on, but the Red Sox usually had brain dead managers so....the rest is history. I was 4 in 75 so I was too young to remember detail. But I do remember that Lee always killed the Yankees and thus should have started that playoff game in 78. I remember being in 1st grade and they'd give us score updates over the intercom every inning.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 12, 2018 17:00:33 GMT -5
Kelly 6 games, Austin 5 games. Because the league has to troll Red Sox fans. True, I am starting to wonder if there's a NY league office bias. But OTOH, that means six games with NO Joe Kelly pitching - so it's not all bad.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 12, 2018 17:02:31 GMT -5
I've met Lee several times. He is so many things. He's down-to-earth, friendly, zany, says crazy things, can be less than tactful to put things kindly. He's a kid or a frat boy who never really grew up. He loves baseball, though. That's not up for debate. I've started reading Bill Nowlin's new book on Tom Yawkey. I skipped to a section in the book where it talks about how ticked off people in the organization were at Lee, blaming him for losing Tom Yawkey's last chance to witness a World Championship. They were very unhappy with Spaceman picking the 7th game of the 1975, against the wrong hitter, Tony Perez, to throw his blooper pitch. Lee had been told not to throw that pitch, particularly to Perez who murdered offspeed, and his Leephus pitch was as offspeed as you can get. It was seen as foolish showboating. Lee still gripes about the blown DP that would have got him out of the inning and would have avoided the confrontation with Perez. To me, after watching a wounded Curt Schilling pitch around 4 errors in Game 2 of the 2004 World Series, that kind of rings hollow. A blown DP isn't a good excuse for allowing that HR to Perez. But to be totally fair, Lee pitched an excellent game and left with a 3-2 lead with 1 out in the 7th inning after he walked Griffey Sr because his blister popped. The problem was the Moret was lousy in relief, Willoughby was great in relief but Johnson pinch-hit for him for no real good reason and used an inexperienced LOOGY for the 9th inning in Jim Burton.....and the Sox didn't hit. The offense was dead after the 3rd inning and Burleson failed to get the bunt down in the last of the 8th and hit into a DP erasing a leadoff walk by Evans. Should have made the decision easy not to pinch-hit Cooper for Willoughby with 2 outs and none on, but the Red Sox usually had brain dead managers so....the rest is history. I was 4 in 75 so I was too young to remember detail. But I do remember that Lee always killed the Yankees and thus should have started that playoff game in 78. I remember being in 1st grade and they'd give us score updates over the intercom every inning. Zimmer was so mad at Lee by then there was no chance he'd be allowed to pitch in that game. He wouldn't even give him a start during the Boston massacre, going with Bobby Sprowl instead with 1st place on the line in Sept. Zimmer was furious with Lee for walking out on the team when the front office sold Bernie Carbo to Cleveland for nothing.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Apr 12, 2018 17:09:02 GMT -5
Lee was incredibly funny. There should be a HOF category for players who added so much fun to the game.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 12, 2018 17:35:47 GMT -5
Kelly 6 games, Austin 5 games. Because the league has to troll Red Sox fans. True, I am starting to wonder if there's a NY league office bias. But OTOH, that means six games with NO Joe Kelly pitching - so it's not all bad. Yeah lol, I said it last night, but I couldn't find a better pitcher suited to hit Austin yesterday than one Joe Kelly. His fastballs hurt if they hit you, he won't be missed, and apparently he's good at dodging punches lol.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Apr 12, 2018 17:40:09 GMT -5
Sabathia deserved much more than a fine, cheap shotting both Moreland and Sale from behind.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 12, 2018 17:42:37 GMT -5
I hope there’s another fight tonight. Hopefully nobody gets hurt, but I want more hate between these two teams. Sorry I have to disagree. I hope Cora and Boone have a private conversation that goes like this. Cora. I know you have to publicly support your player but you do realize his spikes were up and he cut Holts leg, that was not a smart slide. Boone. Yeah yeah it was a little bit of a bad slide but unintensional. Cora. agreed, how about we tell our players that throwing at each other intensionally should stop so this doesn't escalate. Boone agreed. Cora. And lets try to keep the spikes down huh I am the voice of reason, can't help it. And agree to pitch on outer half of place. Be polite to Holt & Austin
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 12, 2018 17:49:03 GMT -5
All this talk about Bill Lee brings back memories of the Birdman, Mark Fidrych was quite the story in the seventies. Maybe the only guy who was more of a space man than Lee.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 12, 2018 18:02:08 GMT -5
Well this sucks: I'm in Florida with my Mom and fully expected to watch the game on my laptop. But of course NESNgo is streaming the Stanley Cup playoff instead.
So it's GameDay, I guess ... unlike someone has a better free idea?
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Post by swingingbunt on Apr 12, 2018 18:15:52 GMT -5
Strike zone is pretty interesting so far....
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 12, 2018 18:17:10 GMT -5
A very clean inning for Porch. This is good,
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 12, 2018 18:18:25 GMT -5
1st batter of the game. Set the tone umps. Yeah, no NY bias.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 12, 2018 18:19:06 GMT -5
Strike zone is pretty interesting so far.... 3 or 4 pitches in the zone that were called balls. Just awful.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 12, 2018 18:20:44 GMT -5
I used to have a girlfriend who had a father who played in an over 60 baseball league on a team with Bill Lee. He was his catcher. Kinda cool, but I never got to meet him. I've met Lee several times. He is so many things. He's down-to-earth, friendly, zany, says crazy things, can be less than tactful to put things kindly. He's a kid or a frat boy who never really grew up. He loves baseball, though. That's not up for debate. I've started reading Bill Nowlin's new book on Tom Yawkey. I skipped to a section in the book where it talks about how ticked off people in the organization were at Lee, blaming him for losing Tom Yawkey's last chance to witness a World Championship. They were very unhappy with Spaceman picking the 7th game of the 1975, against the wrong hitter, Tony Perez, to throw his blooper pitch. Lee had been told not to throw that pitch, particularly to Perez who murdered offspeed, and his Leephus pitch was as offspeed as you can get. It was seen as foolish showboating. Lee still gripes about the blown DP that would have got him out of the inning and would have avoided the confrontation with Perez. To me, after watching a wounded Curt Schilling pitch around 4 errors in Game 2 of the 2004 World Series, that kind of rings hollow. A blown DP isn't a good excuse for allowing that HR to Perez. But to be totally fair, Lee pitched an excellent game and left with a 3-2 lead with 1 out in the 7th inning after he walked Griffey Sr because his blister popped. The problem was the Moret was lousy in relief, Willoughby was great in relief but Johnson pinch-hit for him for no real good reason and used an inexperienced LOOGY for the 9th inning in Jim Burton.....and the Sox didn't hit. The offense was dead after the 3rd inning and Burleson failed to get the bunt down in the last of the 8th and hit into a DP erasing a leadoff walk by Evans. Should have made the decision easy not to pinch-hit Cooper for Willoughby with 2 outs and none on, but the Red Sox usually had brain dead managers so....the rest is history. The thing is, he pinch-hit Cecil Cooper for Willoughby, and Cooper was 0 for the series because he was trying to jerk everything out of the park. You could see his shoulder flying open even if you had no scouting experience at all. So, sure, send him in a situation where a HR is most valuable relative to a single. IIRC, Roger Angell's piece on the 75 Series ends (or nearly ends) with him sitting in a Boston bar months later and someone saying aloud to nobody, "We should never have taken out Willoughby." Re Lee and the eephus pitch: Lee's smart, and that's game theory not thought through sufficiently. He knows that Perez will think he'll get no off-speed pitches at all, so throwing the pitch the batter has completely ruled out can totally freeze him. The problem, of course, is that the eephus is slow that you can freeze, melt, and hit it out of the park. Re Zimmer and Lee: I love to point out that when Lee quit the Expos in protest briefly, Zimmer told reporters "when he did it to me [when the Sox dealt Bernie Carbo at the deadline], I was praying he wouldn't come back." At the time Lee was 9-4 with a 2.82 ERA. That tells you everything you need to know about Zimmer's priorities.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 12, 2018 18:22:13 GMT -5
Well this sucks: I'm in Florida with my Mom and fully expected to watch the game on my laptop. But of course NESNgo is streaming the Stanley Cup playoff instead. So it's GameDay, I guess ... unlike someone has a better free idea? www.strikeout.nu/baseballJust decline or x out all the pop ups. Gives you all feeds for all games.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 12, 2018 18:24:00 GMT -5
I love it when Sox hitters beat a shift. I know he was just fighting off the pitch, but I love it.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 12, 2018 18:25:17 GMT -5
F'ing hell, you got to be kidding me.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 12, 2018 18:25:23 GMT -5
That could have broken Hanley's wrist. Jesus Gray you s*ck.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Apr 12, 2018 18:25:36 GMT -5
the wrist is the exact place I don't want to see a guy as hot as Hanley get hit
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 12, 2018 18:26:17 GMT -5
Looked like it hit his fingers, not his wrist.
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Post by ianrs on Apr 12, 2018 18:27:13 GMT -5
Wow. The Yankees are becoming more unlikable by the minute. All these clean shaven robots led by Aaron effin Boone. I hate them.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 12, 2018 18:28:05 GMT -5
Looked like it hit his fingers, not his wrist. I’m wrong. It’s the wrist. Ugh.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 12, 2018 18:28:11 GMT -5
Looked like it hit his fingers, not his wrist. I don't think that's going to be any help on that one.
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