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Red Sox Trade Elias to Seattle for (6/15 UPDATE) Cash
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 13, 2018 17:00:35 GMT -5
I suspect that "if" pot were the reason for suspension(s), and I guess that is not fact, suspension(s) for that reason would be in light of pot's illegality, regardless of one's personal opinion on the subject.
But Elias has not distinguished himself with us. So to get this guy with apparently a "wow" hit/contact tool seems remarkably favorable to the Sox unless other very significant factors were operative.
So, what are they?
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Post by bosox on Jun 13, 2018 17:27:06 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what he does in the minors (either AA or AAA) the rest of the way. According to his player page, he's eligible to be a free agent in November and Rule 5 eligible in December.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 13, 2018 17:49:40 GMT -5
I suspect that "if" pot were the reason for suspension(s), and I guess that is not fact, suspension(s) for that reason would be in light of pot's illegality, regardless of one's personal opinion on the subject. But Elias has not distinguished himself with us. So to get this guy with apparently a "wow" hit/contact tool seems remarkably favorable to the Sox unless other very significant factors were operative. So, what are they? The minor league drug program lists marijuana as one of the prohibited drugs of abuse. It's pretty simple. Also, I think the only scouting report that describes Filia as having a "wow" hit tool is from some guy I've never even heard of, and reputable sources are much more measured in their evaluations - he's potentially a 4th/5th OF type. That, plus a bit of underrating of Elias perhaps, seems to bridge the gap for you there.
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Post by patford on Jun 13, 2018 18:07:10 GMT -5
I suspect that "if" pot were the reason for suspension(s), and I guess that is not fact, suspension(s) for that reason would be in light of pot's illegality, regardless of one's personal opinion on the subject. But Elias has not distinguished himself with us. So to get this guy with apparently a "wow" hit/contact tool seems remarkably favorable to the Sox unless other very significant factors were operative. So, what are they? The minor league drug program lists marijuana as one of the prohibited drugs of abuse. It's pretty simple. Also, I think the only scouting report that describes Filia as having a "wow" hit tool is from some guy I've never even heard of, and reputable sources are much more measured in their evaluations - he's potentially a 4th/5th OF type. That, plus a bit of underrating of Elias perhaps, seems to bridge the gap for you there. Given his age all the more reason to place him in AAA. If he continues to hit .330-.350 then they should call him up and see what he can do.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 13, 2018 18:21:31 GMT -5
I suspect that "if" pot were the reason for suspension(s), and I guess that is not fact, suspension(s) for that reason would be in light of pot's illegality, regardless of one's personal opinion on the subject. But Elias has not distinguished himself with us. So to get this guy with apparently a "wow" hit/contact tool seems remarkably favorable to the Sox unless other very significant factors were operative. So, what are they? The minor league drug program lists marijuana as one of the prohibited drugs of abuse. It's pretty simple. Also, I think the only scouting report that describes Filia as having a "wow" hit tool is from some guy I've never even heard of, and reputable sources are much more measured in their evaluations - he's potentially a 4th/5th OF type. That, plus a bit of underrating of Elias perhaps, seems to bridge the gap for you there. Thanks Chris. Yes it is pretty simple that pot is on the list of banned substances. I suspect that it is not banned as a performance enhancer but because it is illegal. That was my point. OTOH, ptbnl has a .343 milb average albeit at age 26 and with little power. So he appears to be a slap hitter with very high contact/strike zone skills. I was not elevating him past our outfield present but thought his apparent hit tool suggested an MLB caliber player that could help at some point.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jun 13, 2018 18:29:20 GMT -5
I think that the Sox end of the deal here is: This guy may have some MLB value as a hitter and should be tested ow, the Sox get first dibs to find out, but they have to pay him or give him a 40 man spot to keep him next year.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 13, 2018 18:33:25 GMT -5
The Sox end of the deal might be as simple as they got a guy with a great hit tool (how great seems to be up for debate, but that's fine) with 3 options remining for a pitcher with no options that had no chance of pitching in Boston. That's a WIN!!
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 13, 2018 19:11:08 GMT -5
Well my point exactly. Filia has outsized milb BA stats. Elias does not reciprocate on recent vintage with Boston.
But surprisingly Filia was #10 on Seattle's prospect list. Say what?
Regardless it looks like a positive for the Sox....nothing for a possible something.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 13, 2018 20:11:17 GMT -5
Filia. I fail to see how he is Rule 5 eligible in 2018. Drafted & signed in 2016.
And certainly not milfa
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Post by patford on Jun 13, 2018 21:18:33 GMT -5
He isn't a slap hitter as I understand the term. A slap hitter is someone like Iglesias. This guy supposedly hits the ball hard on a very consistent basis.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 14, 2018 3:18:07 GMT -5
Just so we're all clear, we all realize this is two very short videos looped into a longer one, right? Still hilarious, but just making sure nobody thinks he does that 72 times before he hits or something. I was honestly hoping no one pointed this out. I was hoping it was a normal thing to drive people nuts with. I get a kick out of seeing small stuff that drives people up a wall.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 14, 2018 10:12:56 GMT -5
He isn't a slap hitter as I understand the term. A slap hitter is someone like Iglesias. This guy supposedly hits the ball hard on a very consistent basis. If he does hit the ball hard, it doesn’t show up in his power numbers. Like I said, he seems to have a serious ground ball problem. One of the fun discoveries of the Statcast era is that average exit velocity is kind of like pitch velocity, in that it is an important base skill but it doesn’t get you all the way to being good. In 2017, 93 guys (with at least 100 batted balls) hit the ball harder than Mike Trout. This includes luminaries like Chris Davis, Adam Lind, and Alex Avila. Joey frickin’ Votto wasn’t in the top 150 for average exit velo last year! It’s about hitting the ball correctly as much as hitting it hard. Now, we don’t even know if Filia does hit the ball particularly hard, but he for sure has been beating it into the ground in the minors. If he keeps that up, he’s probably nothing, but with some apparently decent strike zone judgement and contact ability, maybe he can improve his launch angle and be the next Daniel Nava.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 14, 2018 10:24:47 GMT -5
I get a kick out of ... driv[ing] people up a wall. Well yeah obviously.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 14, 2018 10:31:59 GMT -5
He isn't a slap hitter as I understand the term. A slap hitter is someone like Iglesias. This guy supposedly hits the ball hard on a very consistent basis. If he does hit the ball hard, it doesn’t show up in his power numbers. Like I said, he seems to have a serious ground ball problem. One of the fun discoveries of the Statcast era is that average exit velocity is kind of like pitch velocity, in that it is an important base skill but it doesn’t get you all the way to being good. In 2017, 93 guys (with at least 100 batted balls) hit the ball harder than Mike Trout. This includes luminaries like Chris Davis, Adam Lind, and Alex Avila. Joey frickin’ Votto wasn’t in the top 150 for average exit velo last year! It’s about hitting the ball correctly as much as hitting it hard. Now, we don’t even know if Filia does hit the ball particularly hard, but he for sure has been beating it into the ground in the minors. If he keeps that up, he’s probably nothing, but with some apparently decent strike zone judgement and contact ability, maybe he can improve his launch angle and be the next Daniel Nava. Not sure about if he can improve the launch angle or whatever, but I think Daniel Nava could be an apt comparison of what Filia could likely be. Nava is a good guy for the bench and he at his best was good enough to start and hold his own, as his 2013 season was by far his best, but when you can't hit .300 with teens HR power and a good deal of walks, but you can still get on base decently without the power, then that's a good guy to have on the bench, which is the likelier scenario for Filia. But even so, that's pretty good value. It's kind of common to focus on the merits of the starting 9, but having presentable bench options are important. Injuries, days off, and pinch-hitting situations arise, so when you have quality options coming off the bench it helps keep the team afloat. And for the Sox to get a potential quality bench option for a guy like Elias who did next to nothing for the Red Sox, that's a win. My guess is Filia will hit enough to be a good bench option and he'll even pick up some ABs in LF next year if JBJ is still around and slumping terribly. Not saying he'd be a threat to JBJ's job. Am saying that when JBJ hits his usual long running slumps and they need offense Filia's on-base capabilities will help them in spots next year.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jun 14, 2018 10:35:12 GMT -5
Just so we're all clear, we all realize this is two very short videos looped into a longer one, right? Still hilarious, but just making sure nobody thinks he does that 72 times before he hits or something. I was honestly hoping no one pointed this out. I was hoping it was a normal thing to drive people nuts with. I get a kick out of seeing small stuff that drives people up a wall. I don't think anyone thought this was anything more than it was, a loop of a quirky routine. The reason it reminds me of Nomar is the short, choppy, angular movements and then when they're looped it gets that NOMAH vibe to it.
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Post by awall on Jun 14, 2018 11:21:22 GMT -5
OMG. Look at youtube videos of his at bats from last year. He's faced a handful of AA pitchers in the Pacific league, this guy may be able to make contact so far, but his swing doesn't look like anything special. I don't think he gets more than a brief sniff of the Majors ever ( I hope I am proven wrong some day). I think they try to turn around and move him for a younger prospect.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 14, 2018 12:47:22 GMT -5
Lyle 1:16 Eric Filia, while being something like the 6th-10th best prospect in the Mariners system and is probably in the 20s in the Red Sox system, still seems like a big overpay for a pitcher the Red Sox basically just wanted to get rid of. Thoughts?
Keith Law 1:17 No position really, but I do think he can hit and has major league value.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 14, 2018 13:15:30 GMT -5
Don't underestimate that ridiculous k-rate when focusing on his ground ball tendencies. This starts to sound like the Red Sox fans that were mad that Wade Boggs wouldn't hit more home runs because he wasn't trying to.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 14, 2018 14:31:09 GMT -5
Don't underestimate that ridiculous k-rate when focusing on his ground ball tendencies. This starts to sound like the Red Sox fans that were mad that Wade Boggs wouldn't hit more home runs because he wasn't trying to. Or sounds like Manuel Margot, who is hitting 52% ground balls this season but unfortunately added the strikeout part too.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 14, 2018 19:09:40 GMT -5
Here's the walkup in it's entirety.
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Post by jmei on Jun 14, 2018 22:10:10 GMT -5
80 grade walk up for sure.
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Post by boydhurstlovechild on Jun 15, 2018 3:25:34 GMT -5
Well, ok now, here we go. I've been on this website since it started or arounds so. 20 years. I been called out by a friend who said Jonathan Papelbon's mother used a post I made here as contractual leverage. Gonna go ahead and say this is the most intriguing bump in 20 years. Would love to see the title go back to Red Sox trade Roenis Ellias for player to be named later. Is this for real? Everything about this kid is like George Plimpton invented him to get me to check high a box scores every day. This UCLA student article is beyond amazing. "ESPN cameras repeatedly fixated on his then-girlfriend throughout the tournament, turning her into somewhat of an internet celebrity and even earning her modeling offers." "Instead, he moved back to Huntington Beach to live with his great-aunt and worked a couple jobs – one at a kite store on the pier and one at a car wash. He eventually landed a gig as an in-house butler at the Playboy Mansion, conversing with guests and cleaning up after parties."!! “He was kind of the funny guy, loose-cannon guy,” Savage said. “He’s kind of a white liar, a small liar.”?! “Baseball. Without baseball, this guy – I don’t know. This guy needs baseball.”
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Post by boydhurstlovechild on Jun 15, 2018 3:26:38 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 15, 2018 5:12:46 GMT -5
But boy this guy had problems from way back and now 2 suspensions. It's not surprising if Seattle may have felt enough was enough.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 15, 2018 9:38:19 GMT -5
For everything involved, it's not like he's stalling - he gets in the box with a reasonable amount of time.
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