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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 22:30:03 GMT -5
Damn, Devers is out - don't like our chances with JBJ and Vazquez! Leon will get the at bat against the lefty with Vazquez.
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Post by telson13 on May 1, 2018 22:32:07 GMT -5
Why did Soler have to pick tonight to remind me of how awesome a hitter he seemed he’d be three years ago?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 22:33:01 GMT -5
Damn, Devers is out - don't like our chances with JBJ and Vazquez! Leon will get the at bat against the lefty with Vazquez. Nevermind. Finally Vazquez.
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Post by telson13 on May 1, 2018 22:35:07 GMT -5
Nunez can justify his whole contract right here.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 1, 2018 22:36:11 GMT -5
Frustrating. Doing everything just enough to lose.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 1, 2018 22:36:24 GMT -5
Ah well whatever I don't even like sports.
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Post by telson13 on May 1, 2018 22:36:29 GMT -5
Sonofabitch.
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Post by radiohix on May 1, 2018 22:39:28 GMT -5
We're facing a LHP tomorrow, this may not end well ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2018 22:39:46 GMT -5
Well that was a kick in the balls. Missed by inches from re-tying the game.
Damn - really wish Kimbrel wouldn't have blown that save, but Dave O'Brien had to brag about Kimbrel having the highest save pct of all-time for guys with 250 or more saves so of course Kimbrel was going to blow it. Thanks Dave.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2018 22:40:57 GMT -5
And the lead is back down to 2 games. Don't have a good feeling about that.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 1, 2018 22:42:07 GMT -5
Ol' Abner Doubleday does it again ...
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Post by 75tillnow on May 1, 2018 22:45:21 GMT -5
What a nut punch. Very disappointing. But I'm not one to give up. We're only one down and I'm sure we can win it in the bottom of the 14th.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 1, 2018 22:45:56 GMT -5
Bottom of the lineup is a total black hole.
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Post by radiohix on May 1, 2018 22:50:33 GMT -5
If Kelly was available you probably won't need BJ to pitch and you have a different ball game. baseball is just cruel sometime...
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Post by ericmvan on May 2, 2018 1:19:10 GMT -5
Over the winter I looked at BJ's splits and saw nothing that suggested he'd be better as a reliever. In fact, he had had serious first-inning problems.
He now owns a career 4.50 ERA after his first inning of work (36 IP sample), including 3.86 as a starter (in which role he's 4.34 overall, in 7 GS). There are teams he could start for.
He also owns a 7.43 ERA in his first inning of work (13.1 IP), and an 8.25 ERA as a reliever (12 IP).
With the emergence of Beeks, he's now 9th on the SP depth chart (and sixth among LHP). I don't see a need to keep him for organizational depth, and with Thornburg and Wright ready soon and the possibility that Smith has turned it around, it's hard to see how you can justify his seat in the bullpen. If you trade him and Smith regresses and falters again, you still have Velazquez for the last roster spot (or Scott, Poyner, Workman, etc.).
I'd love to have sold higher on him but we may not have that luxury.
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Post by gerry on May 2, 2018 2:29:04 GMT -5
Well that was a kick in the balls. Missed by inches from re-tying the game. Damn - really wish Kimbrel wouldn't have blown that save, but Dave O'Brien had to brag about Kimbrel having the highest save pct of all-time for guys with 250 or more saves so of course Kimbrel was going to blow it. Thanks Dave. Dave O'B is an amazing jinx. Besides never stop talking as if he is still on the radio, he blithely and consistently talks about no hitters and perfect games in progress. Brags about how well someone is hitting as they step to the plate. Often with the wrong info. Clueless. But as Eck says, I'm not into all those superstions ... that would be bad luck.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 2, 2018 5:48:46 GMT -5
I hope the Sox don't end up losing Johnson for nothing but things are trending down for him and it isn't looking great. What do the Sox get in return for BJ now?
I think he is a starter for some teams , IMO, what level prospect is that worth?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 6:46:12 GMT -5
I hope the Sox don't end up losing Johnson for nothing but things are trending down for him and it isn't looking great. What do the Sox get in return for BJ now? I think he is a starter for some teams , IMO, what level prospect is that worth? I don't think they should trade Johnson because he has a high potential, and he has shown flashes of it with is shutout last year and his many good appearances this year. Plus, he is the only lefty in their pen. I would trade Hembree before Johnson right now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2018 8:40:46 GMT -5
Things to consider when thinking about trades-
Wright is 33 soon to be 34 in August. He has 3 years of service time remaining after this year. He hasn't been healthy in 2 years and hasn't performed. He is good if he's right, but he isn't durable.
Hembree is 30 years old. He has 4 years of service time remaining after this year. He is durable, but mediocre.
Brian Johnson is 27 years old. He has a whopping 5 years of service time after this year. He is also mediocre and not durable.
Considering the ages and years of service time, the easy choice is to dump Wright, at least that is the safe play from my perspective. I didn't realize how old Hembree was until I posted this. I thought he was still in his 20's.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2018 9:02:58 GMT -5
Well that was a kick in the balls. Missed by inches from re-tying the game. Damn - really wish Kimbrel wouldn't have blown that save, but Dave O'Brien had to brag about Kimbrel having the highest save pct of all-time for guys with 250 or more saves so of course Kimbrel was going to blow it. Thanks Dave. Dave O'B is an amazing jinx. Besides never stop talking as if he is still on the radio, he blithely and consistently talks about no hitters and perfect games in progress. Brags about how well someone is hitting as they step to the plate. Often with the wrong info. Clueless. But as Eck says, I'm not into all those superstions ... that would be bad luck. Not a big fan of O'Brien's. Not his fault but he always has a knack for saying something like this batter has never gotten a hit against Sale - then base hit. Kimbrel hasn't blown a save in 20 outings then boom - blown save. And yeah, he's wrong about a lot of stuff but talks with a sort of arrogance, which is completely different than the humility that Don Orsillo brought. I'll take Orsillo any day over O'Brien, who I think is better suited for radio anyways. To his credit, though, O'Brien's call of Ortiz's game tying grandslam in Game 2 ALCS 2013 was top notch and will always live on.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2018 9:09:58 GMT -5
Things to consider when thinking about trades- Wright is 33 soon to be 34 in August. He has 3 years of service time remaining after this year. He hasn't been healthy in 2 years and hasn't performed. He is good if he's right, but he isn't durable. Hembree is 30 years old. He has 4 years of service time remaining after this year. He is durable, but mediocre. Brian Johnson is 27 years old. He has a whopping 5 years of service time after this year. He is also mediocre and not durable. Considering the ages and years of service time, the easy choice is to dump Wright, at least that is the safe play from my perspective. I didn't realize how old Hembree was until I posted this. I thought he was still in his 20's. I don't see how the easy choice is to dump Wright. By knuckballer standards Wright is just a kid. And perhaps he'd be more durable if he doesn't have a manager stupid enough to pinch-run him at 2b. That's where his issues stemmed from. Wright has the ceiling of an all-star starter, capable of throwing complete games and eating up innings. The guy had an ERA around 3.3 and was on his way to 17 - 20 wins in 2016. I know those aren't really analytical stats, but it was pretty obvious the guy was doing a good job before Farrell ruined him. If that guy is still in there, that's a very valuable guy to have around given that most of our rotation within the next couple of years are approaching free agency. Hembree is mediocre or has been, but he's really not that bad a pitcher. He's useful. He can go multiple innings and he has his periods of being effective. I'm not overly impressed with Johnson's stuff. He's very hittable. To me, he's the guy I would let go of first. It's not even close. He's a number 4 or 5 starter on a bad team. As Eric said, he's behind Velazquez, Wright, and Beeks as guys you'd want to start if there's an injury. I'd let Hembree go 2nd and Wright 3rd. But I think they might be able to maneuver it so that they can keep Wright and Hembree. The truth of the matter is that Wright isn't a great fit on this team, but he's certainly capable of taking Johnson's long-man role and can be a spot starter. He could be used the way Wakefield was between 1999 - 2002 before he became a fixture in the rotation again.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2018 9:12:58 GMT -5
I hope the Sox don't end up losing Johnson for nothing but things are trending down for him and it isn't looking great. What do the Sox get in return for BJ now? I think he is a starter for some teams , IMO, what level prospect is that worth? I don't think they should trade Johnson because he has a high potential, and he has shown flashes of it with is shutout last year and his many good appearances this year. Plus, he is the only lefty in their pen. I would trade Hembree before Johnson right now. How high is Johnson's potential really? His stuff isn't that great and he's in his mid 20s - he's no kid. He kind of is what he is. I don't see a big leap forward. That game against the Mariners last year was one of the best feel good stories of the year, but it was a career game. I doubt he comes close to matching that again. He can carve out a career as a cheap starter on a bad team. And is his potential really better than Velazquez or Beeks? They're better rotation options as is Wright. You can't keep them all.
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Post by James Dunne on May 2, 2018 9:26:41 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2018 9:36:04 GMT -5
Things to consider when thinking about trades- Wright is 33 soon to be 34 in August. He has 3 years of service time remaining after this year. He hasn't been healthy in 2 years and hasn't performed. He is good if he's right, but he isn't durable. Hembree is 30 years old. He has 4 years of service time remaining after this year. He is durable, but mediocre. Brian Johnson is 27 years old. He has a whopping 5 years of service time after this year. He is also mediocre and not durable. Considering the ages and years of service time, the easy choice is to dump Wright, at least that is the safe play from my perspective. I didn't realize how old Hembree was until I posted this. I thought he was still in his 20's. I don't see how the easy choice is to dump Wright. By knuckballer standards Wright is just a kid. And perhaps he'd be more durable if he doesn't have a manager stupid enough to pinch-run him at 2b. That's where his issues stemmed from. Wright has the ceiling of an all-star starter, capable of throwing complete games and eating up innings. The guy had an ERA around 3.3 and was on his way to 17 - 20 wins in 2016. I know those aren't really analytical stats, but it was pretty obvious the guy was doing a good job before Farrell ruined him. If that guy is still in there, that's a very valuable guy to have around given that most of our rotation within the next couple of years are approaching free agency. Hembree is mediocre or has been, but he's really not that bad a pitcher. He's useful. He can go multiple innings and he has his periods of being effective. I'm not overly impressed with Johnson's stuff. He's very hittable. To me, he's the guy I would let go of first. It's not even close. He's a number 4 or 5 starter on a bad team. As Eric said, he's behind Velazquez, Wright, and Beeks as guys you'd want to start if there's an injury. I'd let Hembree go 2nd and Wright 3rd. But I think they might be able to maneuver it so that they can keep Wright and Hembree. The truth of the matter is that Wright isn't a great fit on this team, but he's certainly capable of taking Johnson's long-man role and can be a spot starter. He could be used the way Wakefield was between 1999 - 2002 before he became a fixture in the rotation again. Just a point of clarification. Wright's knee issue wasn't stemmed from pinch running. It was his shoulder that time.
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2018 9:36:42 GMT -5
There only has to be one move if they're calling Walden up. Johnson DFA or Velazquez option?
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