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Post by James Dunne on May 2, 2018 9:40:07 GMT -5
I'm guessing it will be Velazquez. They can get him some innings and not cut into their depth unnecessarily, and then call him back up next week if they are so inclined.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 2, 2018 10:06:37 GMT -5
I hope the Sox don't end up losing Johnson for nothing but things are trending down for him and it isn't looking great. What do the Sox get in return for BJ now? I think he is a starter for some teams , IMO, what level prospect is that worth? I don't think they should trade Johnson because he has a high potential, and he has shown flashes of it with is shutout last year and his many good appearances this year. Plus, he is the only lefty in their pen. I would trade Hembree before Johnson right now. Johnson needs to pitch better soon with the Sox having guys coming back who will force the Sox hand in who stays and who goes. He has no options so they either try to trade him or keep him on the team, if he doesn't improve he has to go. I have been a fan and was psyched like everybody else when he got off to a great start but he has regressed since then.
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Post by James Dunne on May 2, 2018 10:17:20 GMT -5
Hope everything is okay with him and his family, obviously.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2018 10:28:50 GMT -5
Well, at least the Sox have 2 fresh arms in Kelly and Walden in the bullpen tonight after extra innings yetserday.
I wonder if Beeks would take Eduardo's next turn in the rotation if Eduardo doesn't make it back in time?
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Post by widewordofsport on May 2, 2018 10:32:04 GMT -5
I tweeted this but am curious for thoughts or rules about it I don't know exist...
I know nothing about ERod so this is a general question... After an extra-inning game, with a SP able to take 3-4 days away without missing a start, wouldn't it be very beneficial for the SP in that game to have a relative suddenly 'fall ill'. I'm sure if this rule didn't exist, a SP would normally have just taken a few days away and we wouldn't have even known or thought about it.
I am not saying the rule is or has been abused, but it certainly could be leveraged to get an extra pen arm when you need it, without a corresponding 'loss' of a roster player.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 2, 2018 10:33:52 GMT -5
I love Velazquez, and think he is far more valuable than his 'WAR' because of his flexibility. But I'd be really nervous about relying on his stuff every fifth day in the rotation. Hopefully his command instead of velocity approach translates, but he hasn't faced a lot of lineups a 3rd or god forbid 4th time through.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2018 10:39:23 GMT -5
I don't think teams use the bereavement list to their benefit WWOS.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2018 10:44:05 GMT -5
I love Velazquez, and think he is far more valuable than his 'WAR' because of his flexibility. But I'd be really nervous about relying on his stuff every fifth day in the rotation. Hopefully his command instead of velocity approach translates, but he hasn't faced a lot of lineups a 3rd or god forbid 4th time through. Velazquez isn't the type of arm you would *try* to push a third or fourth time through a order in a close game, unless he's really going good. He's a back end of the rotation arm, but he's better than what most teams have at that spot in the rotation. I'd feel okay about rolling him out there every fifth day if you had a strong rotation around him (the Sox have that). The only problem with Velazquez is if you had to rely on him for something more than a 5th spot in the rotation or a relief role.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 2, 2018 10:44:39 GMT -5
Of course they do, otherwise why use it? That's not to say there isn't an illness or death (or that there ever isn't)... but I'd think some of the decisions around length of stay on the list, and whether to replace them etc, may have motivations beyond simply the family situation.
Edit: I'm *really* not trying to ascribe ulterior motivations to this situation. More just commenting that there are roster advantages if you 'lose' a SP for 3 days after an extra inning game and get an extra arm vs. the status quo. (/fin)
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2018 10:45:46 GMT -5
Of course they do, otherwise why use it? That's not to say there isn't an illness or death (or that there ever isn't)... but I'd think some of the decisions around length of stay on the list, and whether to replace them etc, may have motivations beyond simply the family situation. Unless you have evidence that it's done, you're just borrowing trouble. We have no way to even discuss it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2018 10:49:44 GMT -5
I don't think a team would plan out a roster spot with a family situation. If Eduardo's turn in the rotation came tomorrow, I still think he'd be on the bereavement list or whatever it's called.
The Sox are just covering their bases with a roster spot because they have to fill out a roster. I don't think it has anything to do with a extra inning game the day prior.
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Post by dmaineah on May 2, 2018 11:03:04 GMT -5
It's time to send JBJ down. Since the All-star break last season he has had 64 hits in 318 at bats with 87 strike outs and is hitting .201 with an on base % of under .280! Yes, he is a great defender but come on man... 201!? The league has him figured out, he's mostly hitting weak fly balls & 5 hopper grounders while striking out about 25% of the time. He needs to go down to AAA & figure things out. I would much rather see Moreland in the line up every day. Your thoughts?
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Post by radiohix on May 2, 2018 11:35:01 GMT -5
Thank you man! I was waiting for 5his comment to k8ck start JBJ season.
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Post by 180054giant on May 2, 2018 12:03:18 GMT -5
It's time to send JBJ down. Since the All-star break last season he has had 64 hits in 318 at bats with 87 strike outs and is hitting .201 with an on base % of under .280! Yes, he is a great defender but come on man... 201!? The league has him figured out, he's mostly hitting weak fly balls & 5 hopper grounders while striking out about 25% of the time. He needs to go down to AAA & figure things out. I would much rather see Moreland in the line up every day. Your thoughts? Not a chance. His 225 BABIP will improve and we need his defense.
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Post by ericmvan on May 2, 2018 12:04:44 GMT -5
Random thoughts ...
1) If you knew before the season started that the Sox would be 7-6 in games started by Sale and Price through May 1, how bummed would you be? If I told you, yeah, but they'll be 14-2 in games started by everyone else, how much would you pay me for the drugs you'd be sure I'd been taking?
2) Kelly now outranks Kimbrel in both xWPA- and WPA- (number, rank)
Kelly 48 (20) / 9 (18) Kimbrel 56 (25) / 11 (22)
They've both pitched like second-division closers.
3) Averaging expected and actual effectiveness, Brian Johnson only ranks 9th worst among the 210 most-relied upon (TBF adjusted for leverage) relievers. Alex Colome is 14th worst while having been the 15th most relied-upon.
4) Eric Hosmer has 1.2 bWAR in 26 G. So does J.D. Martinez.
5) Manny Margot has 0.0 bWAR, but that's still better than JBJ (-0.1).
6) There are two different factors that combine to produce MLB success at an early age for a position player. A guy can be an exceptionally fast learner, mastering pitch recognition, defensive footwork, and so on in, say, half the time of his peers. (Most of these guys, BTW, will also be exceptional learners overall; they'll continue to improve as they learn things most players never do.) The other is pure physical talent; in the most extreme case, a guy can just be so talented that he can have success while being as unfinished and raw as anyone his age. The two factors are independent.
Xander and Mookie have both factors working. You have to remember than Xander played baseball all his life while Mookie barely played much in HS (which is why he lasted till the 5th round). That Xander didn't get a massive contract tells you that his ability to learn has been a major factor in his success; he's been better than projected based on physical gifts. Mookie was an insanely fast learner with great physical talent, which is why he's in the conversation for best player in MLB at age 25.
But Devers? Devers (whose description you probably spotted above) is ridiculous in terms of raw talent. And he can look like a baseball savant one game and like a grade-schooler the next. When you compare him at the plate and in the field to the other young guys, you have to remember he's 4 years younger than Xander and Mookie and 2 younger than Benny. That's a lot of time left to turn his talent into consistent skills. I continue to believe that it's possible that no hitter who has ever lived could have hit that ball off of Chapman (that far, that direction).
He's going to drive us to distraction at times with his bad days at the plate and his misadventures in the field. Every time that happens, you have to tell yourself, yeah, and a guy who hasn't yet learned not to do that ... can do all that other stuff. Wow.
And now the game's about to start. Let's see if JetBlue's Flyfi network can handle NESNGo ...
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Post by danredhawk on May 2, 2018 12:18:06 GMT -5
His 225 BABIP will improve and we need his defense. Not if he keeps trying to pound balls through the shift. Its way past time for him to get serious about shortening-up and looking to the opposite field or bunting if the situation calls for it. I'll never understand why more guys dont try to beat the shift a few times and open up the pull side of the field in the process... 1 run against is a huge win the way that first inning started...
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Post by wildsox on May 2, 2018 12:18:36 GMT -5
I’m trying to remember back to JBJ’s 29 game hit streak. What was he doing differently? No defensive shift on him at that point?
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2018 12:22:05 GMT -5
I still don't understand that dumb rule that Vazquez got dinged on last night with his mask. What the hell advantage does a catcher get in doing that? At the very least, it should be a judgement call for the umpire if there is some advantage a catcher gains from using his mask to move a ball 6 inches to his hand with no runner moving and the batter waiting for the next pitch. It might be the most useless rule in MLB. Meanwhile, you can't review slides into 2nd if the guy at 2nd doesn't attempt to turn a DP.
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Post by Guidas on May 2, 2018 12:23:25 GMT -5
Pomeranz is broken.
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Post by radiohix on May 2, 2018 12:25:24 GMT -5
I’m trying to remember back to JBJ’s 29 game hit streak. What was he doing differently? No defensive shift on him at that point? I'm no expertby I think his all field approach was the main factor: When he gets pull happy, he gets in trouble.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2018 12:31:05 GMT -5
It's time to send JBJ down. Since the All-star break last season he has had 64 hits in 318 at bats with 87 strike outs and is hitting .201 with an on base % of under .280! Yes, he is a great defender but come on man... 201!? The league has him figured out, he's mostly hitting weak fly balls & 5 hopper grounders while striking out about 25% of the time. He needs to go down to AAA & figure things out. I would much rather see Moreland in the line up every day. Your thoughts? I guess you were unable to trade JBJ? Now you need to send him down? And you are really comfortable with JD Martinez in left and Benintendi in CF? Guess defense doesn't count in your world?
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2018 12:35:29 GMT -5
How many games are they going to allow Pomeranz to give the other team a 3-4 run lead by the 2nd inning before they do something about his 3 mph velocity drop and complete lack of command? This is not the same Pomeranz as last season. He looks more like Felix Doubront right now, right before he was let go.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 2, 2018 12:37:32 GMT -5
Sox really effed up bringing him back up so quickly. He clearly wasn't ready from the reports we heard about his 2 outings in Pawtucket and Portland. He's really hurting this team now. Not sure if he's hurt, needs more time to get ready, or has turned into a pumpkin. It's frustrating. I'd much rather have Velazquez or Johnson or Beeks out there in his spot. Pomeranz needs more reps in Pawtucket.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 2, 2018 12:38:30 GMT -5
Hate to say it but when I was touting Velazquez in the off season I also predicted it could become controversial with the current rotation and guys coming back. Well if Pomeranz and Erod don't get it together in their next few starts some noise to make a change will start to rumble.
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Post by radiohix on May 2, 2018 12:39:42 GMT -5
Sox really effed up bringing him back up so quickly. He clearly wasn't ready from the reports we heard about his 2 outings in Pawtucket and Portland. He's really hurting this team now. Not sure if he's hurt, needs more time to get ready, or has turned into a pumpkin. It's frustrating. I'd much rather have Velazquez or Johnson or Beeks out there in his spot. Pomeranz needs more reps in Pawtucket. Maybe he's hiding an injury? 2018 being a contract year and all?
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