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Hanley Designated for Assignment
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2018 10:14:48 GMT -5
WHOAAAAAA THEY'RE DFA'ING HANLEY
EDIT: So, thinking this through, if they were, in fact, using the first two months to determine whether or not Hanley was going to be their guy, I'm much more ok with not playing Swihart in order to do that.
Moving forward, one hopes this might free up some at-bats for Swihart in that utility role they were talking about.
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Post by mobaz on May 25, 2018 10:14:49 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2018 10:16:42 GMT -5
Most sensible move? Ah no
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2018 10:17:07 GMT -5
People had been floating this idea but I have to admit I really did not see it happening. Pretty wild.
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Post by radiohix on May 25, 2018 10:18:40 GMT -5
I'm so happy right now!
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Post by bluechip on May 25, 2018 10:19:28 GMT -5
Wow. That’s a bit of a shocker, but I guess Moreland is your everyday 1st baseman and JD is your DH. Time to eat the money and ensure Hanley’s option does not best.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 10:20:19 GMT -5
Why? He was in a small slump, but still upper 200s on the year. And Swihart could find a better job elsewhere, I bet he wanted to be traded. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire, because I don't know where else he would be an everyday player. He is quite underrated.
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Post by radiohix on May 25, 2018 10:24:04 GMT -5
Why? He was in a small slump, but still upper 200s on the year. And Swihart could find a better job elsewhere, I bet he wanted to be designated. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire, because I don't know where else he would be an everyday player. "small"? He has a wRC+ lower than 93 in 5 of his last 8 months. Most logical decision since DFAing his fat friend Pablo.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2018 10:24:48 GMT -5
Hanley was so important to the hopes of this team in October because he can actually hit good pitching and when he’s focused he’s still a great hitter. You deal with his in season slumps for that.
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2018 10:26:07 GMT -5
Why? He was in a small slump, but still upper 200s on the year. And Swihart could find a better job elsewhere, I bet he wanted to be traded. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire, because I don't know where else he would be an everyday player. He is quite underrated. As a part-time first baseman, he needs to mash, and it's been since 2016 since he did consistently. Can Hanley hit better than this? Probably. But the question comes down to whether, even if he did, it's the max use of a roster spot. Teams can't afford to carry a backup first baseman when you have a four or three person bench. Still surprised though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2018 10:26:53 GMT -5
Why? He was in a small slump, but still upper 200s on the year. And Swihart could find a better job elsewhere, I bet he wanted to be designated. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire, because I don't know where else he would be an everyday player. Upper 200s what? He's hitting .254/.313/.395. 88 OPS+, 90 wRC+. He's probably not even the best first baseman on the roster at this point. Seems to me like they were using the first two months to determine whether or not they were going to play him enough to let his option vest, and realized when they were not prepared to do that, keeping him around was not the way to go, so they decided it was better to remove him from the roster before it became an issue. Not saying I agree necessarily, but that's got to be at least close to the line of thinking. It's bold, at least.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 10:27:06 GMT -5
Also, who is the backup 1B now. This has to be Pedroia countermove, so that assumes they won't be calling up Travis.
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Post by jbuttah on May 25, 2018 10:27:29 GMT -5
Question for me is whether Cora was in on the decision or not.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 25, 2018 10:27:32 GMT -5
He's been dismal, his option was going to be a disaster, and again, he's been dreadful. The move actually makes sense, I'm just stunned they actually went with it.
Let Swiahart finally play, even if it's not behind the plate (it should be, at least sometimes, because Vazquez is also dreadful, but that's another story)
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2018 10:27:53 GMT -5
Also, who is the backup 1B now. This has to be Pedroia countermove, so that assumes they won't be calling up Travis. Nunez.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 10:28:53 GMT -5
Why? He was in a small slump, but still upper 200s on the year. And Swihart could find a better job elsewhere, I bet he wanted to be designated. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire, because I don't know where else he would be an everyday player. Upper 200s what? He's hitting .254/.313/.395. 88 OPS+, 90 wRC+. He's probably not even the best first baseman on the roster at this point. Seems to me like they were using the first two months to determine whether or not they were going to play him enough to let his option vest, and realized when they were not prepared to do that, keeping him around was not the way to go, so they decided it was better to remove him from the roster before it became an issue. Not saying I agree necessarily, but that's got to be at least close to the line of thinking. It's bold, at least. My bad, a few days ago it was in the 280s. Still, he's had ups and downs over the past years, and at times was very helpful. I think they should have waited a bit.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 10:30:25 GMT -5
Also, who is the backup 1B now. This has to be Pedroia countermove, so that assumes they won't be calling up Travis. Nunez. He plays first? Didn't know that. When did he last play there though, because if its been years, he might be out of practice.
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Post by mattpicard on May 25, 2018 10:30:39 GMT -5
Also, who is the backup 1B now. This has to be Pedroia countermove, so that assumes they won't be calling up Travis. Nunez. 0 career professional appearances at 1B, but at this point he should strictly be a 3B/1B type rather than a middle infielder, so I guess they should go for that. If not, his only role would be occasionally spelling Devers at 3B vs a lefty. -- Stunned the Sox DFA'd Hanley, but it was inevitable. No way could we let the option vest, and he needed to be a clearly superior hitter to Moreland to warrant a roster spot -- and he hasn't come close to doing that.
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2018 10:35:05 GMT -5
0 career professional appearances at 1B, but at this point he should strictly be a 3B/1B type rather than a middle infielder, so I guess they should go for that. If not, his only role would be occasionally spelling Devers at 3B vs a lefty. -- Stunned the Sox DFA'd Hanley, but it was inevitable. No way could we let the option vest, and he needed to be a clearly superior hitter to Moreland to warrant a roster spot -- and he hasn't come close to doing that. Yep. I'm guessing it came down to Nunez and Ramirez, and Nunez having at least a little bit of positional flexibility got him the nod.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 25, 2018 10:35:23 GMT -5
They're undoubtedly concerned about the vesting of next year's option. He was certain to reach it given how he has been used so far.
This frees up $$$$ for the FA frenzy at season's end.
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Post by costpet on May 25, 2018 10:39:36 GMT -5
They still have 7 days to make a trade with him. They might get a decent minor leaguer in return. Or nothing. I think we'll see a lot more of Swihart now. Maybe he gets into a groove. I guess they really like him, so now at least he can play a little more. He can DH when JD is in left. My head is still reeling. Nobody saw this coming. If somebody had suggested it, people would have called him crazy. Maybe DD is just smarter than the rest of us.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 10:39:55 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me what a vesting option is? I know it has something to do about their condition, but how is it decided?
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Post by rjp313jr on May 25, 2018 10:41:42 GMT -5
I know people here don’t really believe in human element and focus etc but I’ll throw this out there anyway. Who would you rather have in the lineup come playoffs?
A focused Hanley
Mitch Moreland
Eduardo Nunez
Blake Swithart
Short of Hanley flipping out and saying he’d be a problem if they didn’t give him enough at bats to vest his option, this makes no sense. The team is worse come October by not having Hanley. However, it’s entirely possible he made it clear they wouldn’t want him around if he wasn’t playing enough for his option to vest.
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2018 10:45:24 GMT -5
Given how RHP-heavy that Houston, Cleveland, and New York are, I'd rather have Moreland in October. He hits righties better and he's better defensively by a lot. And I'm not carrying the banner for the Mitch Moreland fan club or anything.
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2018 10:46:12 GMT -5
I'm pretty shocked at this, but I expect that they'll be able to eat enough money to trade him and possibly save a few bucks that could be used in other ways, such as bringing up Castillo.
I don't really understand the elation from anyone. Hanley is an awesome dude and does work hard. I'm kind of sad about this.
I guess this is one way of getting him out of the #3 spot.
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