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Sox sign Adam Lind to minor league deal
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Post by dawnbringr on May 29, 2018 18:35:46 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/05/red-sox-sign-adam-lind.htmlThe Red Sox have agreed to a minor league contract with veteran first baseman Adam Lind, reports Evan Drellich of NBC Sports Boston (Twitter links). The ISE Baseball client was recently released by the Yankees. Drellich notes that president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski has confirmed the agreement to him, though the club has not yet issued a more formal announcement of the signing.Why ?
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Post by geostorm on May 29, 2018 18:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on May 29, 2018 18:51:11 GMT -5
Nice pickup. I'm surprised he can't get a job in the majors to be honest.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 29, 2018 19:01:23 GMT -5
Lind is an astute pickup. When Hanley was DFA I was hoping the Sox would sign Lind. I hope he doesn't languish in Pawtucket. Hope he gets a crack at making the 25 man roster.
He'd be an excellent pinch-hitting option and a guy you can stick in the lineup as a sub and still have a solid lineup. His presence would have the same type of affect that Hanley had. It allows Moreland a day off. It allows JDM a day off. It allows JDM to shift to LF to give Benintendi a day or moves Beni to CF to give JBJ a day if he isn't hitting.
Of course the issue is that somebody has to come off the roster if they wanted Lind up in Boston.
I guess he's in Pawtucket unless somebody hits the DL, but I think he'd be a better fit in Boston.
I hope the Sox can keep him this year and that he doesn't have an out. He can be a useful piece. I definitely like the signing.
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Post by jimed14 on May 29, 2018 19:07:30 GMT -5
Lind is an astute pickup. When Hanley was DFA I was hoping the Sox would sign Lind. I hope he doesn't languish in Pawtucket. Hope he gets a crack at making the 25 man roster. He'd be an excellent pinch-hitting option and a guy you can stick in the lineup as a sub and still have a solid lineup. His presence would have the same type of affect that Hanley had. It allows Moreland a day off. It allows JDM a day off. It allows JDM to shift to LF to give Benintendi a day or moves Beni to CF to give JBJ a day if he isn't hitting. Of course the issue is that somebody has to come off the roster if they wanted Lind up in Boston. I guess he's in Pawtucket unless somebody hits the DL, but I think he'd be a better fit in Boston. I hope the Sox can keep him this year and that he doesn't have an out. He can be a useful piece. I definitely like the signing. I can't imagine him getting a shot unless Moreland gets hurt or slumps really badly. They play the same role. Neither should be facing LHP much.
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Post by bosox on May 29, 2018 19:27:01 GMT -5
Nice pickup. I'm surprised he can't get a job in the majors to be honest. Agree on both counts. I wonder if he has an opt out date.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 29, 2018 19:45:38 GMT -5
Lind is an astute pickup. When Hanley was DFA I was hoping the Sox would sign Lind. I hope he doesn't languish in Pawtucket. Hope he gets a crack at making the 25 man roster. He'd be an excellent pinch-hitting option and a guy you can stick in the lineup as a sub and still have a solid lineup. His presence would have the same type of affect that Hanley had. It allows Moreland a day off. It allows JDM a day off. It allows JDM to shift to LF to give Benintendi a day or moves Beni to CF to give JBJ a day if he isn't hitting. Of course the issue is that somebody has to come off the roster if they wanted Lind up in Boston. I guess he's in Pawtucket unless somebody hits the DL, but I think he'd be a better fit in Boston. I hope the Sox can keep him this year and that he doesn't have an out. He can be a useful piece. I definitely like the signing. I can't imagine him getting a shot unless Moreland gets hurt or slumps really badly. They play the same role. Neither should be facing LHP much. I don't anticipate him in Boston either but I think he could have a role on the team. I don't think he's necessarily redundant. Guys get hurt and/or need days off. Lind is a much better bat against righties than the other options. It's not like the Sox have 9 strong hitter and have no need for pinch-hitters late in the game. It's too bad he's awful against lefties, and I don't see the Sox making room for Lind unless there's an injury but I do think he'd serve a purpose in Boston. As it is, once the post-season rolls around, it's less likely the Sox carry 12 pitchers. They more likely go with 11 and that would open up a spot for Lind, so it could work out. Of course, that's if he doesn't have an opt out.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2018 21:09:47 GMT -5
If the Sox do eventually trade Swihart, they could bring Lind up and DH him at times. I think this a likely scenario too. I still think Swihart is most likely a trade chip in the future.
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Post by telson13 on May 29, 2018 22:12:57 GMT -5
Nice pickup. I'm surprised he can't get a job in the majors to be honest. Was thinking the same. Hit well last year before the injuries. Career 111 wRC+ and he’s been a pretty good hitter the past few years other than in the cavern (both physically and emotionally) of Miami. Great insurance signing. Not much defensively, but not a guy who’s a butcher either.
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Post by telson13 on May 29, 2018 22:16:00 GMT -5
If the Sox do eventually trade Swihart, they could bring Lind up and DH him at times. I think this a likely scenario too. I still think Swihart is most likely a trade chip in the future. Idk, I can see them getting him some time around the diamond and even behind the plate. His ability to hit RH makes a difference on this team, especially with Moreland being bad against lefties, Nunez not being much of a fielder (aside from little 1b experience and a mediocre bat), and Travis really struggling in AAA. I can see Swihart’s role gradually expanding.
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Post by soxfanindiana on May 29, 2018 22:32:23 GMT -5
Seems redundant. He's essentially Mitch Moreland but not as good defensively. Would have preferred a righty masher off the bench. We're already lefty heavy.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2018 22:37:02 GMT -5
If the Sox do eventually trade Swihart, they could bring Lind up and DH him at times. I think this a likely scenario too. I still think Swihart is most likely a trade chip in the future. Idk, I can see them getting him some time around the diamond and even behind the plate. His ability to hit RH makes a difference on this team, especially with Moreland being bad against lefties, Nunez not being much of a fielder (aside from little 1b experience and a mediocre bat), and Travis really struggling in AAA. I can see Swihart’s role gradually expanding. If the Sox did decide to go the route of trading Swihart, Im sure Lind could be just as good as Swihart, if not better. If JBJ isn't hitting, it could be a nice way to go and not miss a beat offensively. I hope I'm kind of wrong and they give Swihart chances behind the plate, but it's not happening so far.
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Post by telson13 on May 29, 2018 23:01:12 GMT -5
Idk, I can see them getting him some time around the diamond and even behind the plate. His ability to hit RH makes a difference on this team, especially with Moreland being bad against lefties, Nunez not being much of a fielder (aside from little 1b experience and a mediocre bat), and Travis really struggling in AAA. I can see Swihart’s role gradually expanding. If the Sox did decide to go the route of trading Swihart, Im sure Lind could be just as good as Swihart, if not better. If JBJ isn't hitting, it could be a nice way to go and not miss a beat offensively. I hope I'm kind of wrong and they give Swihart chances behind the plate, but it's not happening so far. Except Lind is a lefty. He’s redundant with Moreland. I think he’s simply Moreland (and other injury) insurance, while Swihart represents an alternative bat when he’s hitting RH. I think they’re going to work Swihart in, not throw him right in as a starter. The roster is in a bit of flux right now. He has had a couple of starts.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 29, 2018 23:41:38 GMT -5
If the Sox did decide to go the route of trading Swihart, Im sure Lind could be just as good as Swihart, if not better. If JBJ isn't hitting, it could be a nice way to go and not miss a beat offensively. I hope I'm kind of wrong and they give Swihart chances behind the plate, but it's not happening so far. Except Lind is a lefty. He’s redundant with Moreland. I think he’s simply Moreland (and other injury) insurance, while Swihart represents an alternative bat when he’s hitting RH. I think they’re going to work Swihart in, not throw him right in as a starter. The roster is in a bit of flux right now. He has had a couple of starts. I understand how difficult it is to shoe-horn Lind onto the roster and I get that he's a lefty, but I'm not sure why he's necessarily redundant. I would think he and Moreland could fulfill different roles on the roster. Moreland is now the starting 1b. Lind is an experienced pinch-hitter which is something the Sox can use for the bottom of their lineup late in games. And they still need a guy who can fill in when there's a day off/injury to an outfielder/1b/dh. And since most pitchers are righty Lind would be the #1 option to provide a quality bat and a breather for those players. He's a better bat than Swihart, who should be getting ABs as a catcher so they can see what they have in him. I guess I can see a scenario where Moreland and Lind can co-exist on the roster and fulfill different roles and contribute. As I see it, Moreland > Lind who is offensively > than any other player on the bench. I think that has value.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2018 2:21:21 GMT -5
Except Lind is a lefty. He’s redundant with Moreland. I think he’s simply Moreland (and other injury) insurance, while Swihart represents an alternative bat when he’s hitting RH. I think they’re going to work Swihart in, not throw him right in as a starter. The roster is in a bit of flux right now. He has had a couple of starts. I understand how difficult it is to shoe-horn Lind onto the roster and I get that he's a lefty, but I'm not sure why he's necessarily redundant. I would think he and Moreland could fulfill different roles on the roster. Moreland is now the starting 1b. Lind is an experienced pinch-hitter which is something the Sox can use for the bottom of their lineup late in games. And they still need a guy who can fill in when there's a day off/injury to an outfielder/1b/dh. And since most pitchers are righty Lind would be the #1 option to provide a quality bat and a breather for those players. He's a better bat than Swihart, who should be getting ABs as a catcher so they can see what they have in him. I guess I can see a scenario where Moreland and Lind can co-exist on the roster and fulfill different roles and contribute. As I see it, Moreland > Lind who is offensively > than any other player on the bench. I think that has value. Yeah I don't see how Lind and the left handed thing is a problem. Lind wouldn't be getting any starts against LHP. Moreland would be getting all the starts at first base against LHP. Moreland has actually hit LHP well so far this year. Adam Lind becomes what Moreland was to start the year. The guy you plug in at DH when J.D. goes to the outfield occasionally and to spell Moreland occasionally at first base. The pinch hitting is something he would also be doing with the catching position all year like you mentioned, when he isn't starting. I really wish Swihart was the guy that was the backup outfielder, but Martinez is because that's what he wants. The Sox will accommodate him because he's one of the best players on this team. I also wish Swihart would get one start behind the plate too, but that's not happening this year either. Basically what I'm saying is that if you're going to use a guy like Swihart as only a backup 1B, fill in DH, and emergency outfielder/catcher, then that isn't the best role for him to be on this team and he should be used as a trade chip. I think Lind is the better hitter and the better player suited for Swihart's role right now. I don't think Lind signs here if he doesn't see that opportunity coming either.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 30, 2018 8:28:08 GMT -5
Adam Lind kind of reminds me of Matt Stairs, a guy who was a good platoon starter when he was younger and became a useful guy to have on the bench when he was older. Matt Stairs was always a good guy to have around on the roster.
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Post by telson13 on May 30, 2018 8:55:09 GMT -5
Yeah, wait, I’m not saying at all that Lind’s LH-ness is a problem. My point is simply that I think he was primarily signed as insurance for Moreland, and as an additional relatively quality bat should they need one. All of which was to say that I dont see Lind in any way as driving a Swihart trade by forcing his way onto the 25-man. I think it’s a terrific signing, as Lind is almost certainly still a good MLB hitter, and depth is very, very important to championship teams. I just think it’s more about hedging their bets now that Hanley’s gone and they’re in the process of figuring out what Swihart will be, which means they can’t really “bank” on him in the case of an injury. That Lind would take a minor league deal is huge. Definitely not a move that should go unappreciated.
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Post by telson13 on May 30, 2018 9:03:44 GMT -5
I understand how difficult it is to shoe-horn Lind onto the roster and I get that he's a lefty, but I'm not sure why he's necessarily redundant. I would think he and Moreland could fulfill different roles on the roster. Moreland is now the starting 1b. Lind is an experienced pinch-hitter which is something the Sox can use for the bottom of their lineup late in games. And they still need a guy who can fill in when there's a day off/injury to an outfielder/1b/dh. And since most pitchers are righty Lind would be the #1 option to provide a quality bat and a breather for those players. He's a better bat than Swihart, who should be getting ABs as a catcher so they can see what they have in him. I guess I can see a scenario where Moreland and Lind can co-exist on the roster and fulfill different roles and contribute. As I see it, Moreland > Lind who is offensively > than any other player on the bench. I think that has value. Yeah I don't see how Lind and the left handed thing is a problem. Lind wouldn't be getting any starts against LHP. Moreland would be getting all the starts at first base against LHP. Moreland has actually hit LHP well so far this year. Adam Lind becomes what Moreland was to start the year. The guy you plug in at DH when J.D. goes to the outfield occasionally and to spell Moreland occasionally at first base. The pinch hitting is something he would also be doing with the catching position all year like you mentioned, when he isn't starting. I really wish Swihart was the guy that was the backup outfielder, but Martinez is because that's what he wants. The Sox will accommodate him because he's one of the best players on this team. I also wish Swihart would get one start behind the plate too, but that's not happening this year either. Basically what I'm saying is that if you're going to use a guy like Swihart as only a backup 1B, fill in DH, and emergency outfielder/catcher, then that isn't the best role for him to be on this team and he should be used as a trade chip. I think Lind is the better hitter and the better player suited for Swihart's role right now. I don't think Lind signs here if he doesn't see that opportunity coming either. Ahhhh...I kinda getcha here. I think we actually agree more than I thought at first blush. I think the difference is largely in our optimism about the Swihart situation. I guess I have a sense that, if they really weren’t going to give him a shot, they probably would’ve DFA’d him. The Hanley option vesting issue does cloud that a bit, but I still have hope that they’re going to expand his role. I’m not exactly sure in what manner, and I agree 100% that if not, sheesh, trade the poor guy so he can have a career. But they stirred the pot to keep him, so there’s something going on there.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2018 9:11:59 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see how Lind and the left handed thing is a problem. Lind wouldn't be getting any starts against LHP. Moreland would be getting all the starts at first base against LHP. Moreland has actually hit LHP well so far this year. Adam Lind becomes what Moreland was to start the year. The guy you plug in at DH when J.D. goes to the outfield occasionally and to spell Moreland occasionally at first base. The pinch hitting is something he would also be doing with the catching position all year like you mentioned, when he isn't starting. I really wish Swihart was the guy that was the backup outfielder, but Martinez is because that's what he wants. The Sox will accommodate him because he's one of the best players on this team. I also wish Swihart would get one start behind the plate too, but that's not happening this year either. Basically what I'm saying is that if you're going to use a guy like Swihart as only a backup 1B, fill in DH, and emergency outfielder/catcher, then that isn't the best role for him to be on this team and he should be used as a trade chip. I think Lind is the better hitter and the better player suited for Swihart's role right now. I don't think Lind signs here if he doesn't see that opportunity coming either. Ahhhh...I kinda getcha here. I think we actually agree more than I thought at first blush. I think the difference is largely in our optimism about the Swihart situation. I guess I have a sense that, if they really weren’t going to give him a shot, they probably would’ve DFA’d him. The Hanley option vesting issue does cloud that a bit, but I still have hope that they’re going to expand his role. I’m not exactly sure in what manner, and I agree 100% that if not, sheesh, trade the poor guy so he can have a career. But they stirred the pot to keep him, so there’s something going on there. Yeah, I have no faith that the Sox will keep giving in to working in Swihart. The DFA of Hanley helps, but this team isn't focused on developing players like Swihart into a lineup when he's essentially a "tweener" (or that's how the Sox are treating him). I think ultimately Swihart becomes a trade chip for someone. I'll keep feeling that way until we see Swihart get a start at the catching position.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 30, 2018 9:17:59 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see how Lind and the left handed thing is a problem. Lind wouldn't be getting any starts against LHP. Moreland would be getting all the starts at first base against LHP. Moreland has actually hit LHP well so far this year. Adam Lind becomes what Moreland was to start the year. The guy you plug in at DH when J.D. goes to the outfield occasionally and to spell Moreland occasionally at first base. The pinch hitting is something he would also be doing with the catching position all year like you mentioned, when he isn't starting. I really wish Swihart was the guy that was the backup outfielder, but Martinez is because that's what he wants. The Sox will accommodate him because he's one of the best players on this team. I also wish Swihart would get one start behind the plate too, but that's not happening this year either. Basically what I'm saying is that if you're going to use a guy like Swihart as only a backup 1B, fill in DH, and emergency outfielder/catcher, then that isn't the best role for him to be on this team and he should be used as a trade chip. I think Lind is the better hitter and the better player suited for Swihart's role right now. I don't think Lind signs here if he doesn't see that opportunity coming either. Ahhhh...I kinda getcha here. I think we actually agree more than I thought at first blush. I think the difference is largely in our optimism about the Swihart situation. I guess I have a sense that, if they really weren’t going to give him a shot, they probably would’ve DFA’d him. The Hanley option vesting issue does cloud that a bit, but I still have hope that they’re going to expand his role. I’m not exactly sure in what manner, and I agree 100% that if not, sheesh, trade the poor guy so he can have a career. But they stirred the pot to keep him, so there’s something going on there. The usage of Swihart is my biggest question. I'd much prefer Lind's bat to Swihart's against RH pitching. I think Swihart being a LF/1b is kind of a waste. I like Swihart a good deal, but only as a catcher. If he's not a catcher, then his bat's value is so much lower and I don't really see the big benefit of keeping him. In an ideal scenario, Swihart would be splitting catching time with either Leon or Vazquez and Lind would have the role that the Sox didn't foresee Hanley wanting any part of (or so they say). I would love Swihart to eventually take over the catching if he's a viable defensive catcher. If he's not I don't think he really fits the roster well. If he does, he becomes an integral part of the roster. At this point Nunez doesn't do a ton for the roster, but he is the best righty bat off the bench, can give Devers a breather which I think the kid will need, and if his knee gets better, he actually could be an asset. The problem is that the Sox have two catchers that are defense first catchers who aren't great offensively. I kind of wish one of them was off the roster - at this point I like Leon more, but last year I would have said I like Vazquez more. I think Leon calls a better game and actually has more pop in his bat. Last year Vazquez did a good job of pinging singles and was strong defensively. This year his hitting has been terrible all around and his defense hasn't been that great and the ERAs are much higher with him behind the plate.
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Post by soxfando on May 30, 2018 11:29:53 GMT -5
This signing makes sense if it was last off season before they signed Moreland. Would have saved a lot of money -- as it stands the Sox are spending ~29.25 million on first base this year. Could have spent ~23.75 million if Lind was a platoon with Hanley.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2018 12:13:25 GMT -5
This signing makes sense if it was last off season before they signed Moreland. Would have saved a lot of money -- as it stands the Sox are spending ~29.25 million on first base this year. Could have spent ~23.75 million if Lind was a platoon with Hanley. Lind isn't a good fielding first baseman. He's essentially a DH and a part-time first baseman. Hanley is also a DH and part time first baseman. That would have never happened.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 30, 2018 12:39:00 GMT -5
This signing makes sense if it was last off season before they signed Moreland. Would have saved a lot of money -- as it stands the Sox are spending ~29.25 million on first base this year. Could have spent ~23.75 million if Lind was a platoon with Hanley. Moreland has been an absolute bargain. $6.5 million to play like an all-star and provide good defense at 1b? I was less than enthused when he re-signed and I'm not convinced he keeps this up, but if he plays the way he did last year before he broke his toe and the way he's playing this year? Well, let's just say Mitch Moreland is not exactly a problem - and I'm wrong - again, happily. If they had to lose Hanley, which I'm still not convinced is a good thing for 2018, I'm glad they grabbed Lind who gives them insurance for injuries and also makes a solid bat off the bench, which they currently lack on the roster. A Lind/Hanley platoon would have made Hanley probably unhappy plus that would make for some brutal defense at 1b. I like Lind in the role that Moreland was in prior to unseating Hanley. The only difference is that Moreland was not only a good bat off the bench but a reliable glove at 1b if they needed to defense for Hanley, but with Moreland now starting a defensive 1b is no longer needed and Lind would make for a solid bat off the bench....but he's not going to get a shot unless there's an injury, which is a shame. A lot of the closers are righty and when I look at a lineup like today's lineup where the 5-9 spots make you shake your head (I get it - no Betts, Pedroia or Moreland - but the catchers and JBJ are guys I'd want a pinch-hitter for), there's no doubt that having a Lind on the bench if you're losing close and late can help immensely.
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Post by soxfando on May 30, 2018 13:02:17 GMT -5
This signing makes sense if it was last off season before they signed Moreland. Would have saved a lot of money -- as it stands the Sox are spending ~29.25 million on first base this year. Could have spent ~23.75 million if Lind was a platoon with Hanley. Lind isn't a good fielding first baseman. He's essentially a DH and a part-time first baseman. Hanley is also a DH and part time first baseman. That would have never happened. Hanley had a .996 fielding percentage in his first ever season as a first baseman, 2016 with the Sox, and hasn't committed an error there since. Last year, Moreland had a .995 fielding percentage as the Sox' primary first baseman. Hanley was a former shortstop and knows how to field ground balls. He also knows how to play catch so I think he can handle the position just fine.
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Post by jimed14 on May 30, 2018 13:28:32 GMT -5
Lind isn't a good fielding first baseman. He's essentially a DH and a part-time first baseman. Hanley is also a DH and part time first baseman. That would have never happened. Hanley had a .996 fielding percentage in his first ever season as a first baseman, 2016 with the Sox, and hasn't committed an error there since. Last year, Moreland had a .995 fielding percentage as the Sox' primary first baseman. Hanley was a former shortstop and knows how to field ground balls. He also knows how to play catch so I think he can handle the position just fine. I haven't committed any errors at 1B. Errors are a terrible judge of defensive talent. It's about how many balls you get to that others would not.
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