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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 28, 2018 18:29:17 GMT -5
I like Johnson as a starter more than a reliever - his stuff seems to play better when he gets to use all of his pitches and stretch out.
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Post by p23w on Jun 28, 2018 18:41:20 GMT -5
Meh, I’d add the caveat that Cooper was not a better prospect at the time. Yeah, he was in AAA, but Bagwell was destroying AA in Beehive. I was furious at the time that it was Bagwell and not Cooper who got moved. I always thought Cooper was overrated and I was pretty certain Bagwell was underrated after hitting well in Winter Haven and then being terrific in the ultimate pitcher’s league at the time. Calling Scott Cooper an All-Star isn’t inaccurate, but he was absolutely, unequivocally NOT ever an All-Star caliber player. His inclusion was simply an (embarrassing, given how mediocre he was) application of the “at least one per team” rule. You weren't the only one. I remember hearing stories about the farm director (was it Ed Kenney - I'm trying to remember the story George Grande told me) being so pissed off about the trade that he wanted to quit. He knew that Bagwell could rake. The numbers in Beehive showed as much. The Sox would occasionally skip players past AA because hitting at Beehive was deflating. The air was so heavy the ball wouldn't travel and hitters really struggled. And worse the Astros really wanted a pitcher named Dave Owens or would have taken Scott Taylor, but the Lou Gorman didn't want to part with either. He figured Bagwell was a bad fielder, and surplus, buried behind Boggs, Cooper, and Naehring on the depth chart. He really didn't know what he had in Bagwell. Hitting .334 in New Britain with the amount of doubles he hit was flat out absurd. Nobody hit like that there. Meanwhile when the deal went down one of the Astros scouts was talking to Dan Gooley (Bagwell's baseball coach at University of Hartford) who mentioned Bagwell's soccer skills and amazing footwork, and the idea to move him to 1b was born (as the Astros had a young Ken Caminiti themselves at 3b.) Andersen actually did pitch well down the stretch in 1990. They had lost Jeff Reardon to back surgery and didn't think he'd be back. They only had Jeff Gray who was unheralded but actually pitched reasonably well and was even better in 1991 but suffered a stroke and never pitched again (wonder how many people remember Jeff Gray!), they had Dennis Lamp who was having a bad year after having had a great year, and Rob Murphy went from excellent in 1989 to disaster in 1990, and they had just picked up Joe Hesketh off the scrap heap, so the bullpen was a total mess, and the Sox were in a battle for 1st with Toronto that would eventually go down to the last day of the season. They had dealt Lee Smith in May for Tom Brunansky so at one point the Sox had two excellent closers in Reardon and Smith on the roster for about a month. That's before it became fashionable to do so. Andersen's most important outing wound up being in Game 1 of the ALCS against Oakland as Clemens left after 6 with a 1-0 lead. If memory serves by time the inning started by Larry Andersen was done, the A's had scored 9 runs and they were on their way to a 1 sided sweep of the Sox. And then surprisingly Andersen was declared a free agent, then Bagwell jumped from AA to the majors and blossomed (sort of like Hanley would do 15 years later), and the worst deal in Red Sox history was history. Groan. I saw Bags 1991, and was very excited. That wound has taken years to heal. Please, no more talk of this.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 28, 2018 18:59:09 GMT -5
I'd probably laugh at whatever they paid, mutter something about conspiracy theories if they got away with underpaying (as they always seem to do in my biased echo chamber) and then laugh again when they don't win the World Series. I'll only go to the ledge if it all works out for them in the end. They could be the favorite on paper but there are a few other good teams out there and anything can happen in the postseason. It's one thing to say if the Yankees will win vs. another team, but it's another thing to say if the Yankees will win over ALL of the other teams. The Steinbrenners will probably work out some deal unrelated to baseball with the Wilpons in exchange for a lower trade cost since the Wilpons only care about money and not their product on the field. 538 Baseball has the Yankees with a 14% chance for winning the WS and the Red Sox with a 12% chance. I think the Yankees will come away with Happ.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 28, 2018 19:20:44 GMT -5
Johnson is probably done. A ton of hard hit balls hit by the Angels last inning.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 28, 2018 19:24:29 GMT -5
Johnson is probably done. A ton of hard hit balls hit by the Angels last inning. I'm more concerned with pitch count than runs. I'm not particularly trying to win this game as much as saving the bullpen for the Yankees series. I'd at least put him out for the 5th and make sure that him/Velasquez/Haley can finish the game from there.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 28, 2018 19:34:01 GMT -5
I went to a lot of these games in the past that our acquisitions blew, including watching several horrible Gagne games live. A lot of these moves just havent worked out, not to mention their cost. My main memory of Reed is him blowing a game vs the Yanks. Melançon was terrible. Andrew Bailey. Etc. Not going to lie, I tried for a while to get the "dirt" off of my screen reading your post. I always have my accents ready, ha.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 28, 2018 19:34:07 GMT -5
Johnson is probably done. A ton of hard hit balls hit by the Angels last inning. Yeap.
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Post by a2sox on Jun 28, 2018 19:36:13 GMT -5
I think Dave O'Brien just said the sox have never had a season sweep of a west coast team. Is that possible? Did I mishear him?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 28, 2018 19:50:01 GMT -5
Devers heating up is a beautiful thing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 28, 2018 19:51:53 GMT -5
Vazquez has a low baseball IQ. He makes a lot of brainless mistakes on the field.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2018 19:54:32 GMT -5
This umpire can go to hell.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 28, 2018 19:55:15 GMT -5
105 mph 414 feet for the Devers blast.
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Post by Canseco on Jun 28, 2018 19:57:24 GMT -5
I think Dave O'Brien just said the sox have never had a season sweep of a west coast team. Is that possible? Did I mishear him? Preposterous. No. Remember the west coast trip back in 2004? Our boys cracked skulls.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 28, 2018 19:57:52 GMT -5
At the end of the season, alongside the video of highlights of an amazing season will be....a bloopers video of amazingly bad base running
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Post by incandenza on Jun 28, 2018 19:59:04 GMT -5
Vazquez has a low baseball IQ. He makes a lot of brainless mistakes on the field. He sure has this year, but I don't remember him being like this before. Maybe he's going through a brain slump?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 28, 2018 20:21:28 GMT -5
Nice little RBI BB for Holt!
edit. Followed by a pretty cruddy GIDP by Devers. Ouch.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2018 20:23:44 GMT -5
Well if Devers is heating up maybe he can lay off the stuff that’s eyeball high or otherwise out of the strike zone. Sheesh.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 28, 2018 20:39:10 GMT -5
As Eck loves to say, "that's a beautiful thing"!
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 28, 2018 20:41:06 GMT -5
Two run jack for JBJ. Get some of that!
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Post by Guidas on Jun 28, 2018 20:41:59 GMT -5
JBJ blasted that one right over the Mendoza line. He still may hit 15 HRs this year and has an outside shot of hitting 20.
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Post by Canseco on Jun 28, 2018 20:51:43 GMT -5
Always stick with Jackie. He’s our guy in CF. Ride a painted pony, let the spinning wheel fly.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 28, 2018 20:52:33 GMT -5
Joe Kelly get into these stretches where he is just infuriating to watch - can't throw strikes and takes forever (not) doing it.
Watching Velazquez and Workman were a delight compared to this.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 28, 2018 20:53:22 GMT -5
joe kelly needs another brawl to get back his mojo
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 28, 2018 20:53:50 GMT -5
Kelly has been a disaster lately. Yeah sorry this team needs help in the bullpen this season.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 28, 2018 20:55:23 GMT -5
If I was a nail biter, my fingers would be really painful right now. Come on Joe. Do this.
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