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Denyi Reyes - anything to see here?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2018 12:55:12 GMT -5
I'm sure a lot of people here can get a better sense of this than I can.
If you go by the scouting reports Reyes is at best a backend starter, but is more likely organizational filler.
If you look at the numbers, the guy is doing a Koji Uehara impersonation.
His K/BB ratios are ridiculous. He's at 111-13 in a mid A level league. And all of his previous numbers have similar K/BB ratios as well, so this isn't new for him.
Do the Red Sox have something interesting here? Or is he too old for the league with stuff that's way too fringy that what numbers he's posting don't matter?
Are the Red Sox resisting moving him up to keep his numbers beautiful so that he can become an attractive trade chip for this year's trades?
I mean, if I were looking at just stats, he'd be a 3rd piece of a deal that I'd want if the Sox were to get a top reliever or a backend starter.
What exactly is Reyes?
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Post by patford on Jul 16, 2018 13:36:27 GMT -5
Have either Chris or Ian seen him in person ? I'd like to see an updated scouting report. As you pointed out is bases on balls rate is incredible. He should be moved up a level tomorrow as he is absolutely dominating where he is.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 16, 2018 13:48:59 GMT -5
Have either Chris or Ian seen him in person ? I'd like to see an updated scouting report. As you pointed out is bases on balls rate is incredible. He should be moved up a level tomorrow as he is absolutely dominating where he is. Ian saw Reyes towards the end of last season: news.soxprospects.com/2017/08/scouting-scratch-nick-duron-denyi-reyes.html. As an FYI, if you are looking for a scouting write-up, you should check that player's individual page -- there should be a link to the write-up. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 16, 2018 14:09:41 GMT -5
There have been some reported looks this year, including one from one of our posters, that have him breaking 90mph with his FB and an assortment of average-ish secondaries which he seems to command well:
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Post by patford on Jul 16, 2018 17:04:33 GMT -5
Have either Chris or Ian seen him in person ? I'd like to see an updated scouting report. As you pointed out is bases on balls rate is incredible. He should be moved up a level tomorrow as he is absolutely dominating where he is. Ian saw Reyes towards the end of last season: news.soxprospects.com/2017/08/scouting-scratch-nick-duron-denyi-reyes.html. As an FYI, if you are looking for a scouting write-up, you should check that player's individual page -- there should be a link to the write-up. I've seen both of Ian's reports from 2017. I meant more recently. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 25, 2018 18:57:52 GMT -5
I found this WEEI article after doing some digging following another excellent start tonight. The guy might not have flashy stuff but boy is he consistent. Article quotes from Greenville pitching coach, Bob Kipper: |
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 5, 2018 13:00:25 GMT -5
How does a guy who has been the sox prospects picher of the month in 4 of the last 5 months not get a little more attention here?
I mean 4 out of 5 he must be doing something right.
He isn't really age advanced and his career record is 30-5 with a career era around 2.1 and a whip of .92.
I'm no scout but that has STUD written all over him.
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Post by benjgc on Aug 5, 2018 14:17:52 GMT -5
How does a guy who has been the sox prospects picher of the month in 4 of the last 5 months not get a little more attention here? I mean 4 out of 5 he must be doing something right. He isn't really age advanced and his career record is 30-5 with a career era around 2.1 and a whip of .92. I'm no scout but that has STUD written all over him. 1) Wins and losses are not meaningful in MLB, and almost meaningless below AA. 2) You can pitch to a super-low WHIP without good command below High-A, but you have to have great command and/or excellent deception to carry that success up to High-A and beyond. High-A is often the first level where guys without dominant stuff (like Reyes) are truly challenged. Not writing him off, but this will be the first level where we'll get a sense of what he actually is. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 5, 2018 14:44:27 GMT -5
How does a guy who has been the sox prospects picher of the month in 4 of the last 5 months not get a little more attention here? I mean 4 out of 5 he must be doing something right. He isn't really age advanced and his career record is 30-5 with a career era around 2.1 and a whip of .92. I'm no scout but that has STUD written all over him. 1) Wins and losses are not meaningful in MLB, and almost meaningless below AA. 2) You can pitch to a super-low WHIP without good command below High-A, but you have to have great command and/or excellent deception to carry that success up to High-A and beyond. High-A is often the first level where guys without dominant stuff (like Reyes) are truly challenged. Not writing him off, but this will be the first level where we'll get a sense of what he actually is. All of that may very well be true BUT I didn't vote him pitcher of the month 4 out of 5 months. And I have been on this site for almost 15 years and guys don't put numbers up like that very often. In regards to wins not meaning anything, well he has put those numbers up while pitching more innings than anyone else in the system which correlates and matters. |
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 17, 2018 9:49:29 GMT -5
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Post by hank on Aug 17, 2018 11:29:38 GMT -5
seems like Porcello, Sale and Price are impressed |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 17, 2018 13:57:16 GMT -5
seems like Porcello, Sale and Price are impressed And Bannister |
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Post by benjgc on Aug 17, 2018 21:37:47 GMT -5
Having seen him a few times now, I have a better fix on what makes him effective. He moves the fastball around with excellent command, and sinks and cuts it well, as has been scouted. Curveball might get whacked at higher levels (it's a big rainbow curve in the low 70s), but he's a smart pitcher who repeats his mechanics. One of his teammates said he can hit his spot every single time in bullpen sessions, which blew the teammate's mind; it's rare to see guys go 30-30 or 50-50 in pen sessions.
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Post by patford on Aug 17, 2018 22:00:17 GMT -5
I asked Ian and Chris a question about Reyes and Ian seemed to feel his command was suspect due to a fairly high home run rate for Greenville. On the other hand I have seen Bob Kipper, Greenville's pitching coach, say this about him, “His excess starts with his ability to command the fastball [has been the key] … it starts with the fastball command and then he has the secondary mix. What separates Denyi is that he doesn’t allow you to get comfortable to an area of the strike zone. He pitches inside very, very well so he won’t allow the hitter to get comfortable [on the outside part of the zone]. What he also does really well is changing speeds … You really can’t eliminate a pitch with Denyi Reyes at any count, because he has the ability, confidence and awareness to do different things in different counts. Hitters don’t have a comfortable at-bat.” weei.radio.com/blogs/vincent-gallo/red-sox-prospect-rankings-denyi-reyes-best-pitching-prospect-youve-never-heardAlex Speier has also said Reyes has "plus command." |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 22:03:28 GMT -5
Having seen him a few times now, I have a better fix on what makes him effective. He moves the fastball around with excellent command, and sinks and cuts it well, as has been scouted. Curveball might get whacked at higher levels (it's a big rainbow curve in the low 70s), but he's a smart pitcher who repeats his mechanics. One of his teammates said he can hit his spot every single time in bullpen sessions, which blew the teammate's mind; it's rare to see guys go 30-30 or 50-50 in pen sessions. Bartolo Colon made a pitching career out of mainly fastball command, but Colon threw a lot harder as a young pitcher. Still after all these years, Colon has stayed in the league as a starter for one team or another into his 40's. This alone should give Reyes some hope if he does have that extreme elite command of the fastball. It is rare to see. Maddox, Pedro, Mariano Rivera, and Colon are the few guys that I can think of that could throw fastballs all game long and get away with it if they wanted because they could put it wherever they wanted. Reyes isn't them, but he sounds like he can survive on a major league roster when he finally gets called up if he can keep this up. |
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Post by benjgc on Aug 18, 2018 12:48:29 GMT -5
I asked Ian and Chris a question about Reyes and Ian seemed to feel his command was suspect due to a fairly high home run rate for Greenville. On the other hand I have seen Bob Kipper, Greenville's pitching coach, say this about him, “His excess starts with his ability to command the fastball [has been the key] … it starts with the fastball command and then he has the secondary mix. What separates Denyi is that he doesn’t allow you to get comfortable to an area of the strike zone. He pitches inside very, very well so he won’t allow the hitter to get comfortable [on the outside part of the zone]. What he also does really well is changing speeds … You really can’t eliminate a pitch with Denyi Reyes at any count, because he has the ability, confidence and awareness to do different things in different counts. Hitters don’t have a comfortable at-bat.” weei.radio.com/blogs/vincent-gallo/red-sox-prospect-rankings-denyi-reyes-best-pitching-prospect-youve-never-heardAlex Speier has also said Reyes has "plus command." Greenville can be a bit of a launching pad. I worked for Hickory in 2011, and recall Christian Villanueva and Xander Bogaerts each launching dingers there with spectacular ease (Bogaerts had two in that three-game series). Hilariously, one game of that series ended with this in the 11th inning: One out, Jorge Marban pitching for Hickory. Hits Sean Coyle with a pitch. Coyle steals second, moves to third on a wild pitch, and scores on another wild pitch for a walkoff win. |
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Post by patford on Aug 18, 2018 14:36:08 GMT -5
Ian's point was less than stellar command but good control result in pitches in the strike zone which get hit for HRs. The kudos coming from the Greenville pitching coach might simply be someone from the organization promoting one of their guys. There is never any reason the Sox would want anyone in the organization running down a prospect. Obviously the idea would be to build guys up. Either for trade or development.
The Speier comments are not as easy to qualify since he's a reporter.
Anyhow, I know nothing about Reyes except what I have read and based on some of it he seems to me to be one of the most intriguing prospects in the system.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 12, 2018 20:30:57 GMT -5
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Post by gerry on Dec 13, 2018 4:32:16 GMT -5
Reading this, I remembered that DDo is fine with promoting from AA to Fenway. With what he said about Reyes, and earlier about D. Hernandez as a starter, Feltman’s likely fast track, and how quickly he moved Porcello as a rookie, I suspect DDo is entering a period of aggressively challenging good young pitching prospects during the next couple of years. Hansen aside, good for him. |
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Post by gerry on Dec 15, 2018 15:49:41 GMT -5
Reading this, I remembered that DDo is fine with promoting from AA to Fenway. With what he said about Reyes, and earlier about D. Hernandez as a starter, Feltman’s likely fast track, and how quickly he moved Porcello as a rookie, I suspect DDo is entering a period of aggressively challenging good young pitching prospects during the next couple of years. Hansen aside, good for him. I did some digging to determine if what I wrote in a fog at nearly 1:30 AM is valid. I think it is. Under prior admins even young, fast-rising potential stars like Xander, JBJ, Mookie spent real time in AA and AAA. Xander, 2013, age 20: 56G in AA, 60G in AAA, 18G in Boston. JBJ, after 61G in AA in 2012 at age 22, went 80G in AAA and 37G in Boston at 23. Mookie, 2014, age 21: 54G in AA, 45G in AAA, 52G in Boston. Beni moved fast. 2015, age 20, 44G in A- & A, then 2016, age 21, 34G in A+, 63G in AA, 34G in Boston. A Cherington move. Beni aside, DDo seems more willing to accelerate the pace on prospects with high upside to meet needs. Devers, 2017, age 20. 77G in AA, 9G in AAA, ty58G in Boston. That was quick. Feltman, 2018, age 21. 18G @ TCU, 4G in A-, 7G in A, 11G in A+. 2019 AA and then?? D. Reyes, 2015-16-17, ages 18, 19, 20, DSL, GCL, A- in 39G, 17GS. 2018, age 21, 21G (18GS) in A, and 5G in A+. 2019 in AA/AAA?? D. Hernandez, 2018, age 21, 23G/GS in A+, 5G in AA, 8G @ AFL. 2019 at age 22, AA, AAA and then? Shawaryn, 2016, age 21, @ Md, 15G, A- 6G. 2017, age 22, 10G in A, 16G in A+. 2018, age 23, 19G in AA, 7G in AAA, 9G @afl. 2019, age 24, AAA and Boston?? Lakins, 2015, GCL and A, age 20. 2016, age 21, A+ 15G. 2017, age 22, 7G in A+, 8G in AA. 2018, age 23, 26G in AA, 10G in AAA. 2019, age 24, AAA and Boston. I ren out of time to list Poyner and Houck. But it does seem that DDo, even with supposedly lesser prospect talent is more willing to move prospects quickly when they show competence and promise at their levels. This might also hold true for Chavis, Dalbec and co. I acknowledge that I am higher on this system than many, especially considering how stacked the MLB team already is. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 15, 2018 16:45:55 GMT -5
Gerry, I don't think comparing Xander, Mookie, Beni and Devers to Reyes is that useful. Those 4 were top 20 prospects in all of MLB, if not top 5. Reyes is #24 for the team with the worst farm system in the majors. I can't imagine any rush whatsoever with Reyes.
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Post by gerry on Dec 15, 2018 21:49:06 GMT -5
Gerry, I don't think comparing Xander, Mookie, Beni and Devers to Reyes is that useful. Those 4 were top 20 prospects in all of MLB, if not top 5. Reyes is #24 for the team with the worst farm system in the majors. I can't imagine any rush whatsoever with Reyes. I would be equally surprised to see D. Reyes or Hernandez rushed to Boston in 2019. There is no need. Nor do I hold these young pitchers to the same standard as the “B’s” or Devers. I apologize if my point was unclear. The B’s were pushed thru as elite talents before DDo arrived. But they also spent considerable developmental time in AA and AAA compared to Devers (and Beni).’ I was trying to determine if DDo will accelerate MLB potential talent in hopes they can adapt and thrive, or at least survive as they advance. Especially so in areas of immediate or imminent need, either to fill that need or to prepare a backstop for it. DDo aggressively fills needs. Devers in 2017, for example, because of immediate need at 3B. Trades for Kimbrel, Pearce and RP’s, etc. The Bullpen is a current area of need. IMO, of the 30+ pitchers projected for AAA and AA, maybe 8 have a good shot at MLB in 2019-20. Of those 8, four of the most promising seem to be moving pretty quickly. Will Feltman or others spend much time inn AA or AAA is my question To yor point, the Sox have been beyond lucky to field a home grown team of Beni, Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley, Devers, Pedroia. I would add Barnes, Holt, ERod, Swihart, Vasquez to that current core. I think we can agree THAT confluence is NOT happening again any time soon. Nor does it need to because the Sox are stacked with that talent. But now we have some very good talent in the upper minors for areas of need, like Feltman, Lakins, Chavis to augment that core in 2019 and beyond. My sense is that under DDo they and several others might move there pretty quickly. Edited for clarity |
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