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8/7-8/9 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Aug 7, 2018 21:45:22 GMT -5
It's August and your Boston Red Sox have a .702 winning percentage! Lmao
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:49:17 GMT -5
Bad night for the bullpen, but happy with the W.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2018 21:49:21 GMT -5
It's so weird to feel like this as a Red Sox fan. And I'm one of the most positive ones!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 7, 2018 21:49:26 GMT -5
Lost in all this was Workman's weird inning - loads them up, no outs, Leon makes that brilliant grab-the-ball-before-it-goes-foul-and-tag-the-runner-coming-home play. Aside from Hembree's single out, no other relievers were clean.
Strange game, truly!
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Post by bosox on Aug 7, 2018 21:51:17 GMT -5
Lost in all this was Workman's weird inning - loads them up, no outs, Leon makes that brilliant grab-the-ball-before-it-goes-foul-and-tag-the-runner-coming-home play. Aside from Hembree's single out, no other relievers were clean. Strange game, truly! True. Leon's play was outstanding.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 7, 2018 21:52:28 GMT -5
It's so weird to feel like this as a Red Sox fan. And I'm one of the most positive ones! I've bled Red Sox for - holy crap - 51 years. So many memories, some really really bad teams, some horrible seasons (George Scott's 1968 will always stick out - and Lugo - and Gagne - and Crawford - and Mujica...and Aceves....and Bad Bard!), Lonborg's ski accident, bad managerial decisions, some miracles (2004 of course) - Bobby Valentine (the horror!) - 2013's really likable, amazing team - but what do we have here? Talent, great personalities, fun, a rookie manager who seems to get it. This is pretty indescribable....and I am pretty hard on the team, game by game. but, essentially, both realist and optimist!
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2018 21:54:09 GMT -5
1 game away from .500 for the season!
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Post by 07redsox on Aug 7, 2018 21:58:20 GMT -5
WOW, I just got an AD for Holcim Cement in Tagalog. First non MLB AD I've seen. Do you guys get ADs in the USA for MLB.Com or regular ADs ? And coincidentally I'm heading out to pick up some Holcim cement. Holcim will think they are on to something when 1/3 of the Filipino fan base immediately buys their product. I have gotten them for all different types of things. Obviously many MLB com/basball related, but others that are lawn/yard care related and I think even those that are for Walmart and Amazon haha
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Post by incandenza on Aug 7, 2018 22:07:40 GMT -5
Xander Bogaerts has been bad for a while now. It's frustrating how he starts out each season so well and struggles down the stretch. Be nice to see him put together a full season. He had a 134 wRC+ in July. Also it was 120 from 7/31-8/5, and 94 today. Admittedly, he slumped a bit from 7/20-7/30 - only .194/.216/.306 in those 9 games (37 PAs). So by "Xander Bogaerts has been bad for a while now," do you mean "he was bad for 9 games in late July"?
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Post by Gwell55 on Aug 7, 2018 22:23:47 GMT -5
Xander Bogaerts has been bad for a while now. It's frustrating how he starts out each season so well and struggles down the stretch. Be nice to see him put together a full season. He had a 134 wRC+ in July. Also it was 120 from 7/31-8/5, and 94 today. Admittedly, he slumped a bit from 7/20-7/30 - only .194/.216/.306 in those 9 games (37 PAs). So by "Xander Bogaerts has been bad for a while now," do you mean "he was bad for 9 games in late July"? He got hit in the wrist on the 1st too. 2-10 since then I believe.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 7, 2018 22:35:42 GMT -5
Delicious. Britton blows a two run lead in the bottom 10th to tanking Chi Sox - 3-3.
MFY....blow the lead. They have the hangover!
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Post by wildsox on Aug 7, 2018 22:40:40 GMT -5
Well we somehow came back twice to win the one game I thought we’d have trouble with. This team believes they will win every game and are never out of the game
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Post by bluechip on Aug 7, 2018 22:40:42 GMT -5
Pomeranz was great last year. We don't have that Pomeranz this year. He is painful to watch, not really a good fit on our team with it's current stratospheric accomplishments and potential to go deep. Would rather Johnson gets his starts - or Velazquez. With Sale taking Pomeranz’s start Sunday...
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 7, 2018 22:42:10 GMT -5
Some impending future moves - pitching - ERod and Sale return - gotta be Pomeranz on the move - otherwise - Brasier (effective) and Workman back to Paw? Also just heard Cora said Wright is back soon....wow. Three starters on deck. offense - Devers returns - Renda back down - Swihart returns - Butler back down. Kinsler returns - (not sure who gets cut if and when this happens)
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Post by bluechip on Aug 7, 2018 22:46:20 GMT -5
Some impending future moves - pitching - ERod and Sale return - gotta be Pomeranz on the move - otherwise - Brasier (effective) and Workman back to Paw? offense - Devers returns - Renda back down - Swihart returns - Butler back down. Kinsler returns - (not sure who gets cut if and when this happens) Put Pomeranz on waivers and see if some takes him?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 7, 2018 22:49:48 GMT -5
And coincidentally I'm heading out to pick up some Holcim cement. Holcim will think they are on to something when 1/3 of the Filipino fan base immediately buys their product. I have gotten them for all different types of things. Obviously many MLB com/basball related, but others that are lawn/yard care related and I think even those that are for Walmart and Amazon haha Ahh OK, I was wondering why MLB.Com was wasting potential AD time. Apparently they aren't although I'm surprised they have a Filipino based AD program, when you mention baseball here people only know to imitate a pitcher or batter. You see a lot of team caps but only the ones with the City letter, especially Yankess with the NY. I've probably mentioned it 50 times here and I have yet to find someone that knew it was a Yankee hat, everybody here thinks New York, not a team. Same with the B in the Red Sox hats. The Celtics are popular here so everyone knows Boston. ADD: I was saw a video of a demo Ken Griffey Junior did after he retired. It took place in Manila and i'd be shocked if there were 50 people in attendance. There certainly weren't from any camera angle. ADD2: I'm pretty sure that if I asked 100 Filipinos that were English speaking, almost none would know Yankees (or Red Sox) as a team name. Maybe 40% would think of it as a synonym for American. "Joe", taken from G.I. Joe, everyone knows. I get called Joe many times every week. There's a McArthur Blvd. in virtually every major city in the country.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 7, 2018 22:55:44 GMT -5
Delicious. Britton blows a two run lead in the bottom 10th to tanking Chi Sox - 3-3. MFY....blow the lead. They have the hangover! Yanks' big deadline acquisition wielding a fearsome 5.07 FIP/3.98 ERA on the season. Cashman managed to actively make his bullpen worse with that move.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 7, 2018 23:38:03 GMT -5
Skankees won in 13. They used all of their relievers except two who worked yesterday.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 8, 2018 0:14:14 GMT -5
I really, really wanted tonight's game. Just because I wanted to see if the Red Sox could touch .700. Every time they came close they lost which means you have to win 3 games just to pretty much get back to where you were.
So now 70.4% into the season, the Sox have won 70.2% of their games. I can't believe they're at .702. I remember them being 40-17 with the same exact percentage in 2002 before they wound up being mediocre the rest of the way. This year's team has doubled that 40-17 record! Absolutely amazing.
And it's funny. Because while they're getting shut down offensively, doing nothing, all I could think about is how mediocre their lineup is. I mean JBJ batting 6th followed by two utility men and a weak hitting catcher. And yet when all is said and done, they wind up scoring 10 runs! Of course, part of this is because JDM is awesome and when Betts reaches base the Sox offense goes and it was a good thing that Giles was pitching. He's horrible.. Moreland and JBJ had huge HRs. Still, I'll feel better when I see Kinsler and Devers in the #6 and #7 slots in the batting order and I think Holt can use some rest. He's hit his second half wall.
Pomeranz was unimpressive again, but somehow despite all those walks the damage wasn't too bad. I would think a better team would make him pay.
The bullpen is kind of scary. It's amazing to think the only guy who didn't give up any runs was the guy who loaded the bases with no outs - Workman - thanks to Sandy Leon. Well, Hembree didn't give up any runs - forgot about him during his 1 batter stint.
Kimbrel is worrying me. I hope they can get him fixed soon. Because if the Sox are to win the Series they need Kimbrel. The Sox won in 2004, 2007, and 2013 because Keith Foulke, Jonathan Papelbon, and Koji Uehara were nails. They held every lead. If Kimbrel can't they're going to find trouble.
I have to give credit to Dombrowski. Britton was one of the relievers I hoped the Sox could get. Sounds like the Sox would have had to use Beeks to get Britton and DDo decided to use Beeks to get Eovaldi. Smart move.
Britton has struggled with the Yankees. He's still walking guys and tonight he blew the game against the White Sox. Too bad the ChiSox are so bad they made Sonny Gray look good and they're on their way to being swept by the Yankees or else the Yankees would be 10 games out.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 8, 2018 0:27:37 GMT -5
This is just crazy, but the Red Sox matching the 2001 Mariners is not completely out of the question. They'd have to go 36-12 the rest of the way.
Their record in their last 48 games? 36-12.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 8, 2018 1:31:11 GMT -5
Didn't watch the game live, but watched the 2 hour replay. Going to make 2 separate posts. First is the one about Pomeranz. He's had 3 starts since coming back from the DL. He has given up 8 baserunners in less than 5 innings first start, 10 baserunners in his last start in 5 innings, and 9 in this start in less than 5 innings.
This guy can't start anymore. He's made this painfully clear. They'll probably keep him to see what he can bring in the bullpen, but I doubt it's getting any better with his lack of command. The Sox would probably be better off DFAing him and bringing up a Haley to make the double header start or something. Pomeranz looks toast out there.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 8, 2018 1:50:47 GMT -5
Okay the second post about this f-ing bullpen.
You have 4 pitchers in this bullpen that are walking over 4 batters per nine innings in Kelly, Hembree, Barnes, and Kimbrel.
You have 2 pitchers who are giving a ton of hits (most likely a lot of hard contact, see hr/9 innings stats below) and have a batting average against at .250 or higher in Thornburg and Workman.
You have 3 pitchers in this bullpen that are giving up over a homerun per nine innings in Kimbrel, Workman, and Thornburg. Hembree has given up 0.98 HR/9 innings and has given up over a homerun per nine innings in his career (meaning he's probably trending back to that way soon enough).
The three best arms you have in this bullpen are Kimbrel, Barnes, and Brasier. Kelly has a outside shot of becoming maybe a fourth guy if he can stop walking 4 and a half batters per nine innings. Hembree is a good 6th inning arm that can face a bad part of the lineup and get away with good results as a result.
This bullpen is a mess though. You're basically throwing darts from the 5-7 innings if the starter doesn't have a long start. The 8th and 9th innings are sometimes shaky too (with Kimbrel and Barnes). The Sox are going to need a starter to come into the bullpen come October. That is ABUNDANTLY CLEAR at this point. At some point I hope Wright comes back to even give him a shot at a set up role before the end of the season with the way this inconsistent non strike throwing/hard contact giving up bullpen is going. It's either that or give Lakins a shot in September if he's shoving in AAA for the last month of the season.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 8, 2018 1:58:42 GMT -5
It was a awesome win however. The lineup should get deeper when Kinsler and Devers comes back. The rotation should be the best in baseball when Sale and Eduardo comes back (please put Eduardo in the rotation and Price in the bullpen by the end of September to get ready for the playoffs also). Hopefully the 2 huge strengths of this part of the Sox team can mitigate or lessen the weakness of the bullpen come October and they win regardless of a weak bullpen.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 8, 2018 2:37:52 GMT -5
This bullpen is a mess though. You're basically throwing darts from the 5-7 innings if the starter doesn't have a long start. The 8th and 9th innings are sometimes shaky too (with Kimbrel and Barnes). The Sox are going to need a starter to come into the bullpen come October. That is ABUNDANTLY CLEAR at this point. At some point I hope Wright comes back to even give him a shot at a set up role before the end of the season with the way this inconsistent non strike throwing/hard contact giving up bullpen is going. It's either that or give Lakins a shot in September if he's shoving in AAA for the last month of the season. The Sox bullpen is the 4th best in baseball by WAR and FIP, 5th best by ERA, and 2nd best by WPA. They are mediocre at BB/9 (17th), but they're 4th best at hard contact %. Looking forward to see what totally different argument you're going to claim to have been making all along, now that the facts are on the table.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 8, 2018 3:01:17 GMT -5
This bullpen is a mess though. You're basically throwing darts from the 5-7 innings if the starter doesn't have a long start. The 8th and 9th innings are sometimes shaky too (with Kimbrel and Barnes). The Sox are going to need a starter to come into the bullpen come October. That is ABUNDANTLY CLEAR at this point. At some point I hope Wright comes back to even give him a shot at a set up role before the end of the season with the way this inconsistent non strike throwing/hard contact giving up bullpen is going. It's either that or give Lakins a shot in September if he's shoving in AAA for the last month of the season. The Sox bullpen is the 4th best in baseball by WAR and FIP, 5th best by ERA, and 2nd best by WPA. They are mediocre at BB/9 (17th), but they're 4th best at hard contact %. Looking forward to see what totally different argument you're going to claim to have been making all along, now that the facts are on the table. 2 arms have been giving up hard contact in Thornburg and Workman. Maybe they are the outliers but they are included in the bullpen, that's why I made the claim about the hard contact in the bullpen comment. Also, if your bullpen can't be trusted to throw strikes in close games, then what do you really have here? Who are you going to trust come playoff time? There is a difference between a season bullpen and a playoff bullpen, and Dave Dombrowski has even been quoted to agree with that. The facts are on the table. They can't throw strikes half the time and this is the bullpen you want come playoff time? Nope give me Price, Wright, or maybe Lakins in the bullpen. Someone who can throw strikes outside of Kimbrel, Barnes, and maybe Brasier/Kelly come October.
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