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Red Sox vs. Astros 2018 ALCS Gameday Thread
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 21, 2018 5:39:35 GMT -5
The Dodgers squeal like little girls. Listen to their champagne ceremony. Don't poke the Bear.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 21, 2018 8:55:34 GMT -5
I hope Dave Roberts gets a standing ovation during game 1 introductions.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 21, 2018 14:23:29 GMT -5
I just want to remind folks that I was pretty widely castigated here for suggesting that Mookie play second base in NL teams’ parks to keep his and JD’s bat in the line-up.
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Post by jchang on Oct 21, 2018 15:41:34 GMT -5
I just want to remind folks that I was pretty widely castigated here for suggesting that Mookie play second base in NL teams’ parks to keep his and JD’s bat in the line-up. What makes you think Sox fans have strong opinions one way or the other?
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 21, 2018 17:02:25 GMT -5
I am so happy I don’t hear from Ron Darling. First his butt hurt from the Yankees series and then in game five he was disappointed that Price matched Verlander because he was sure the Astros had it with the pitching staff lined up with Verlander, Cole, and whatever in game 7. Sorry to dissappoint you Ron. What garbage. Notice Ron didn’t go to clubhouse to present trophy either. Horrible. The only thing saving TBS was Pedro at the studio.
Fox has the Series.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 21, 2018 17:47:38 GMT -5
Yeah I think Darling is sitting on an extra large, extra padded donut. He may have calluses or need surgery. Definitely he did not want the Sox to win either series..... biased to the transparent Max.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 21, 2018 18:35:01 GMT -5
I didn't think the Darling announcing team was that bad. We've all seen worse. Their job was to be objective and Houston was the world champs. I thought they were fine.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 21, 2018 19:16:48 GMT -5
I didn't think the Darling announcing team was that bad. We've all seen worse. Their job was to be objective and Houston was the world champs. I thought they were fine. Seriously? They had their facts wrong all series, or they completely missed what was going on, in ways that made really interesting things seem boring.
In game 2 Cora brought in Matt Barnes to bail out David Price with 2 on and 2 out in the 5th. Anderson informed us (paraphrasing) that "this has been Barnes' job all year, to relieve the starters with inherited runners on." Of course, Barnes had only done that twice all year, and both times in the 7th rather than the 5th. Heath Hembree had done it 19 times, often in the 6th inning or earlier.
It's like Jennifer Garner unexpectedly rings your doorbell, and Anderson tells the nation "Jennifer and thelavarnwayguy have had a rocky relationship but they remain good friends," with the implication that this is just more of the same.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 21, 2018 19:35:45 GMT -5
I didn't think the Darling announcing team was that bad. We've all seen worse. Their job was to be objective and Houston was the world champs. I thought they were fine. Seriously? They had their facts wrong all series, or they completely missed what was going on, in ways that made really interesting things seem boring. In game 2 Cora brought in Matt Barnes to bail out David Price with 2 on and 2 out in the 5th. Anderson informed us (paraphrasing) that "this has been Barnes' job all year, to relieve the starters with inherited runners on." Of course, Barnes had only done that twice all year, and both times in the 7th rather than the 5th. Heath Hembree had done it 19 times, often in the 6th inning or earlier. It's like Jennifer Garner unexpectedly rings your doorbell, and Anderson tells the nation "Jennifer and thelavarnwayguy have had a rocky relationship but they remain good friends," with the implication that this is just more of the same.
I was annoyed by them getting the pitches incorrect. For example,Kimbrel has a knuckle curve, but they kept calling it a slider.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 21, 2018 21:22:42 GMT -5
I just want to remind folks that I was pretty widely castigated here for suggesting that Mookie play second base in NL teams’ parks to keep his and JD’s bat in the line-up. What makes you think Sox fans have strong opinions one way or the other? Not sure what fans think but many on this board thought it preposterous. I agree such a move creates significant potential for defensive laspes at two positions, but I think with the Dodger rotation being Left-handed heavy, Cora may slot Mooike in at 2nd in Los Angeles to keep the RH bats in there and JBJ’s D and pop in the line-up.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 21, 2018 21:24:37 GMT -5
I didn't think the Darling announcing team was that bad. We've all seen worse. Their job was to be objective and Houston was the world champs. I thought they were fine. Seriously? They had their facts wrong all series, or they completely missed what was going on, in ways that made really interesting things seem boring. In game 2 Cora brought in Matt Barnes to bail out David Price with 2 on and 2 out in the 5th. Anderson informed us (paraphrasing) that "this has been Barnes' job all year, to relieve the starters with inherited runners on." Of course, Barnes had only done that twice all year, and both times in the 7th rather than the 5th. Heath Hembree had done it 19 times, often in the 6th inning or earlier. It's like Jennifer Garner unexpectedly rings your doorbell, and Anderson tells the nation "Jennifer and thelavarnwayguy have had a rocky relationship but they remain good friends," with the implication that this is just more of the same.
I don’t think Lavarnwayguy’s told you about his true relationship with Jennifer Garner. It may be best not to assume here, since I think he’s been thinking about taking her back.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 21, 2018 21:38:47 GMT -5
I am so happy I don’t hear from Ron Darling. First his butt hurt from the Yankees series and then in game five he was disappointed that Price matched Verlander because he was sure the Astros had it with the pitching staff lined up with Verlander, Cole, and whatever in game 7. Sorry to dissappoint you Ron. What garbage. Notice Ron didn’t go to clubhouse to present trophy either. Horrible. The only thing saving TBS was Pedro at the studio. Fox has the Series. I don't know about him rooting or not. I just thought he was as bad of an analyst of analyzing a game live since ARod. What both of them think, I get the feeling just go with the opposite. I like Smoltz. Darling is just plain awful. He was wrong on so many things. Again- I didn't know of favoritism. It's just that he was so wrong on so many facts. Even saying "Price was done for game 5." You'd think a former pitcher would have had more of a clue. We had to trust him and how wrong was he? I mena he was confident. He was even calling the wrong pitches. The play by play guy seemed to know more.
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Post by Coreno on Oct 21, 2018 22:54:50 GMT -5
What makes you think Sox fans have strong opinions one way or the other? Not sure what fans think but many on this board thought it preposterous. I agree such a move creates significant potential for defensive laspes at two positions, but I think with the Dodger rotation being Left-handed heavy, Cora may slot Mooike in at 2nd in Los Angeles to keep the RH bats in there and JBJ’s D and pop in the line-up. I still don't like it. I'm no scout and it was a very limited showing, but in the game he did play some 2B this year he didn't exactly look very polished.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 21, 2018 23:58:08 GMT -5
I guess I have to ask, what's the real benefit of Betts playing 2b? That is allows JBJ to remain in CF? How much worse is Betts than JBJ in CF? Negligible? So if you're putting Betts at 2b, what you're really saying is that you want to keep JBJ's bat in the lineup.
Against a southpaw that makes no sense so with Hill starting Game 4 and Kershaw a Game 5, it makes sense to rest him.
So in Game 3 against Buehler, is the only time Mookie at 2b could realistically happen, but what are you gaining?
You take an inexperienced 2b (yeah I know he was a 2b in the minors but that was 4 years ago since he played a significant amount of time at 2b) and weaken 2b defense so that the net gain is the bat of JBJ vs Holt, which I'm not convinced is enough of an upgrade, if it is at all, to chance Betts at 2b.
If you're of the viewpoint that Betts would be fine for 1 game, I suppose you gamble it. I'm just not sure the upside is enough to do that.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 22, 2018 1:04:20 GMT -5
I guess I have to ask, what's the real benefit of Betts playing 2b? That is allows JBJ to remain in CF? How much worse is Betts than JBJ in CF? Negligible? So if you're putting Betts at 2b, what you're really saying is that you want to keep JBJ's bat in the lineup. Against a southpaw that makes no sense so with Hill starting Game 4 and Kershaw a Game 5, it makes sense to rest him. So in Game 3 against Buehler, is the only time Mookie at 2b could realistically happen, but what are you gaining? You take an inexperienced 2b (yeah I know he was a 2b in the minors but that was 4 years ago since he played a significant amount of time at 2b) and weaken 2b defense so that the net gain is the bat of JBJ vs Holt, which I'm not convinced is enough of an upgrade, if it is at all, to chance Betts at 2b. If you're of the viewpoint that Betts would be fine for 1 game, I suppose you gamble it. I'm just not sure the upside is enough to do that. If Cora makes this move then it means he doesn't believe in your hitting analysis between the players. To put it bluntly, he would think you're wrong.
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Post by radiohix on Oct 22, 2018 2:27:55 GMT -5
I could see Kinsler getting hot (that double in game 5 off Osuna was a BULLET and he hit nice oppo-liner off Verlander) and rendering the whole "move Mookie to 2B in LA" point moot.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2018 6:24:53 GMT -5
I didn't think the Darling announcing team was that bad. We've all seen worse. Their job was to be objective and Houston was the world champs. I thought they were fine. Seriously? They had their facts wrong all series, or they completely missed what was going on, in ways that made really interesting things seem boring.
In game 2 Cora brought in Matt Barnes to bail out David Price with 2 on and 2 out in the 5th. Anderson informed us (paraphrasing) that "this has been Barnes' job all year, to relieve the starters with inherited runners on." Of course, Barnes had only done that twice all year, and both times in the 7th rather than the 5th. Heath Hembree had done it 19 times, often in the 6th inning or earlier.
It's like Jennifer Garner unexpectedly rings your doorbell, and Anderson tells the nation "Jennifer and thelavarnwayguy have had a rocky relationship but they remain good friends," with the implication that this is just more of the same.
I think they were terrible but I don’t think they were slanting coverage towards Houston or outright being biased against the Sox.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 22, 2018 6:29:33 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it, but perhaps Mookie at second isn’t in the works for Mookie to start at second but play there later when they double switch. I know we are used to AL rules, but NL rules require more managing and maneuvering having the flexibility to slot Mookie at second as part of a double switch could be useful.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 22, 2018 11:52:48 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it, but perhaps Mookie at second isn’t in the works for Mookie to start at second but play there later when they double switch. I know we are used to AL rules, but NL rules require more managing and maneuvering having the flexibility to slot Mookie at second as part of a double switch could be useful. Cora's sort of implied that. I pointed out in the other thread that if they simply start JDM in LF instead of Benny, which I'm almost 100% certain they'll do, then you can use Benny to pinch hit for Kinsler. Mookie can then move to 2B. This could be really big in, say, the top of the 9th when Holt has already been used to hit for the pitcher and Jansn's on the mound.
I have to admit that I like the strategy in the last 3 innings of an NL game almost as much as I despise the idiocy of having the pitcher hit before that. I have to try to promote my "best of both worlds" DH idea where you lose the DH starting with the 7th. The first time the DH spot comes up in the 7th or later, you have to choose between letting the current pitcher hit, or the current DH (or a PH), and if you choose the latter it's exactly as if he did pinch-hit. You have to put him in the field in the next half-inning f you want to keep him in the game.
Expand rosters to 28 with a limit of 13 pitchers and you get vastly more interesting strategy in the late innings.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 22, 2018 16:28:50 GMT -5
Or just abolish the NL rules because they’re childish.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 22, 2018 16:45:06 GMT -5
Or just abolish the NL rules because they’re childish. 1800's baseball. It's outdated and bad for the game. Takes away jobs from players who can, you know, actually hit. It also takes out a pitcher for strategy other than for pitching.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 22, 2018 20:30:47 GMT -5
Or just abolish the NL rules because they’re childish. 1800's baseball. It's outdated and bad for the game. Takes away jobs from players who can, you know, actually hit. It also takes out a pitcher for strategy other than for pitching. They should outlaw gloves and move the mound back to fifty feet, the way the Abner Doubleday intended.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 22, 2018 22:45:45 GMT -5
1800's baseball. It's outdated and bad for the game. Takes away jobs from players who can, you know, actually hit. This is an argument I don't understand. You still have 25 players on the roster and it's not like every team in the AL has a superstar DH. Mostly it's someone who can't, you know, actually field.
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Post by jbuttah on Oct 22, 2018 23:33:43 GMT -5
1800's baseball. It's outdated and bad for the game. Takes away jobs from players who can, you know, actually hit. This is an argument I don't understand. You still have 25 players on the roster and it's not like every team in the AL has a superstar DH. Mostly it's someone who can't, you know, actually field. IMO, baseball is a sport but it's value is as entertainment. The mostly pathetic at bats by pitchers are not entertaining and is not offset by whatever tactical maneuvering is required of the manager.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 23, 2018 1:38:23 GMT -5
The Darling team are network announcers. They are not going to know every nuance for each team but overall haven't we all seen worse? In regard to Barnes, if I remember correctly he was really good at not letting inherited base runners score all year ( they gave some stats ) so if they said that was his job I think it was a fair assessment, assuming the data was correct. If it wasn't, that was on the stat guy. Maybe Hembree was better but I think Barnes was the better regarded option overall, right? I come at this from a TV background. You are generally not going to get team specific excellence from a pair of network announcers. They are generally knowledgeable but they don't know every detail for every team, even with a stat guy right there. Few such teams ever do.I would contend that the way they get paid they should perform at that level but few do.
On a related note, I was watching the Patriots game the other day and Chris Collinsworth seems to know team specific data on every team and every player. He is fantastic to me but I see maybe 2 football games a year at most so I don't know.
And regarding our friend Guidas, I just want to say that this team is Nothing without J.D. Martinez! There, I said it!
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