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Red Sox vs. Dodgers 2018 World Series Gameday Thread
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Post by dridiot on Oct 27, 2018 23:39:51 GMT -5
David Price is starting tomorrow? ?!
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 27, 2018 23:43:01 GMT -5
they just said on mlb network price is starting game 5. sale must be hurt
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 27, 2018 23:43:37 GMT -5
NL baseball! Haven't been on the board since what turned out to be early in yesterday's game. Spent today winterizing, taking care of animals, cooking, and prepping for one of my favorite annual events. I'll bet this is a fun read!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 27, 2018 23:44:14 GMT -5
So now Roberts has trump tweeting criticism of his mgt!😂
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 27, 2018 23:45:10 GMT -5
they just said on mlb network price is starting game 5. sale must be hurt Cora just ended his postgame with that sentence.
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Post by geostorm on Oct 27, 2018 23:46:03 GMT -5
yup...that Sale is okay, and will go Bame 6, but will have Sale at the ready, in Game 5
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Post by hammerhead on Oct 27, 2018 23:46:04 GMT -5
they just said on mlb network price is starting game 5. sale must be hurt I don't think that means Sale is hurt, remember there could be two games in Boston and if we get the lead and it's the sixth or seventh he could come in and end it
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 27, 2018 23:48:43 GMT -5
this is one of the many reasons I love Cora...I know it's easier to admit this in a win, but still few managers would.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 27, 2018 23:49:24 GMT -5
How awesome would it be if price dominates tomorrow and wins the World series MVP?
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Post by atzar on Oct 28, 2018 0:00:49 GMT -5
Looking forward to game 5:
Hope we can drill Kershaw again, first of all. He doesn't have the stuff he once did.
Sale starting on normal rest. He lost his velocity the second time through the order in his last start, but he's another few days removed from his illness and is hopefully a bit stronger now.
Our bullpen is in manageable shape, all things considered. ERod really helped us out today. Kelly and Kimbrel are on fumes at this point, but Cora will probably use them anyway if the Houston series was any indication. Barnes had relatively light work today, should be okay. Brazier warmed but never entered the game. Hembree and Pomeranz are available.
Wonder if Cora will try to squeeze an inning from a starter if given an opportunity. There are various reasons not to use Porcello, Eovaldi and Price Sale, but that hasn't stopped Cora in these playoffs.
EDIT: So Price on short rest instead of Sale. Interesting decision. I wonder why.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 28, 2018 0:03:16 GMT -5
So I was watching the game with my girlfriend at her place and she was deep asleep like at the middle of it. But I went absolutely nuts in the Devers hit. She briefly awoke and got back to sleep. Then I absolutely ERUPTED at the Pearce double and she got up in quite a scare lol I felt like one those asshole Youtube pranksters. I got what was coming after Kimbrel made it an unofficial save, but yeah it was awesome. It just felt awesome.
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Post by dd on Oct 28, 2018 0:06:51 GMT -5
God I hate the National League. Pitchers hitting and running the bases is the dumbest thing ever. I'm not a fan of pitchers hitting but I gotta say (writing as a happy camper after the game) that if you don't know you should actually run when on the bases, that's a travesty.
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Post by malynn19 on Oct 28, 2018 0:08:26 GMT -5
Remember the long-ago days of 36 hours ago when the Dodgers had no chance in this series ? Nah I forgot, thanks for the reminder.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 0:10:14 GMT -5
I don’t mind Price starting Game 5. Sale seems like he could be a really good weapon for two innings if needed. After seeing Sale pitch in Game 1, I wondered silently if Cora would consider moving Sale to the bullpen the rest of the series.
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Post by dridiot on Oct 28, 2018 0:13:07 GMT -5
Looking forward to game 5: Hope we can drill Kershaw again, first of all. He doesn't have the stuff he once did. Sale starting on normal rest. He lost his velocity the second time through the order in his last start, but he's another few days removed from his illness and is hopefully a bit stronger now. Our bullpen is in manageable shape, all things considered. ERod really helped us out today. Kelly and Kimbrel are on fumes at this point, but Cora will probably use them anyway if the Houston series was any indication. Barnes had relatively light work today, should be okay. Brazier warmed but never entered the game. Hembree and Pomeranz are available. Wonder if Cora will try to squeeze an inning from a starter if given an opportunity. There are various reasons not to use Porcello, Eovaldi and Price Sale, but that hasn't stopped Cora in these playoffs. EDIT: So Price on short rest instead of Sale. Interesting decision. I wonder why.
Probably showed Cora his fangs and told him he wants blood
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Post by marrcus on Oct 28, 2018 0:18:39 GMT -5
Jayson Stark Retweeted Sarah Langs Verified account @slangsonsports 3h3 hours ago
The Dodgers are 54-0 when leading by 4 runs at any point this season, including postseason. They're the only team without such a loss.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 28, 2018 0:23:54 GMT -5
I was thinking about why Roberts gets so much sh*t. I figured it was one of the two most obvious reasons, he is black and he makes some questionable calls but that's not it. I finally nailed it down. He looks puzzled when he f*cks up, like he frequently looks confused at the dugout. He has that Marvin Lewis/Chuck Pagano Spy Hard kind of oblivious stare when something bad happens. Cora is either happy, focused or at the most pissed at himself.
Ned Yost did this a lot as well, but he got away with it by being goofy. Farrell was too HARD of a MAN to ever be at risk. When you're not as focused as Belichick, Popovich or Francona, you need something to keep you away from looking stupid.
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Post by dd on Oct 28, 2018 0:25:01 GMT -5
LOL, just rebooted, got back just as Moreland hit his HR. You have only a 75% accurate prediction rate on this Phil! :-)
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Post by geostorm on Oct 28, 2018 0:29:47 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Oct 28, 2018 0:32:32 GMT -5
Does Price get the ball as a kind of reward for gutty post-season and chance to put the last bail in the coffin of his rep? Would be a great way to end... with DP getting the win he was brought in for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 0:36:51 GMT -5
Actual conversation with my wife, who knows nothing about baseball, during the replay of Machado’s groundout in the 9th:
Wife: What is that in his mouth?
Me: He’s blowing a bubble.
Wife: While he’s running? How much of a douche can you be?
I had to laugh.
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Post by jazzyg45 on Oct 28, 2018 1:04:14 GMT -5
Man looking at the espn postgame stoke zone and it’s crazy how bad he got squeezed. I knew during game but having an argument defending Kimbrel with my buddy I went back and it’s crazy how many strikes were called balls. I know we won and I’m stoked but was Kimbrel horendus or no?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 28, 2018 1:19:43 GMT -5
What a fantastic win for the Sox and what a devastating defeat for the Dodgers. The Red Sox have redeemed themselves for letting Game 3 slip away or more accurately Ian Kinsler, with one more victory, is completely off the hook.
The one great thing about the 18 inning game is that it apparently rendered Baez and Urias unavailable. Honestly, given the Dodgers' circumstances I don't know how anybody is unavailable. It's not like they threw 97 pitches like Eovaldi did.
So when the Dodgers weren't able to coax a couple more outs out of Hill, they were in trouble.
So they bring on Alexander who doesn't do what he needs to do and then they bring on Ryan Madson, who at this point, should be the World Series MVP for the Red Sox. He reminds me of 2008 Mike Timlin, a guy with a wonderful and honorable career who hung around one year too long and is complete toast.
So Moreland does what he's actually really good at, which is pinch-hitting and slams a 3 run shot to get the Sox going.
But that doesn't mean anything unless Pearce goes deep in the 8th off Jansen, and the long ball is his biggest vulnerability.
So the Dodgers are at their most important inning of the season and the best they can do is Floro, who pitched well this season, but is hittable, and sure enough Brock hits the chopper down the 3b line for a double and Devers has that huge PH single when they should have walked him. Roberts didn't want Betts coming up in a key spot to beat them, but Betts hasn't really hit most of the post-season while Devers has...another case of the numbers versus what your eyes are telling you which is at this moment Devers is more dangerous than Mookie is.
And then to relieve any anxiety left Pearce hits the clutch bases clearing double off Maeda, another mediocre starter/reliever, and then X finally gets a hit to bring home another huge run.
Which loomed large when Kimbrel looked kind of gassed. Amazingly enough Devers turned in a great defensive play. Didn't think he'd have time to get Machado, but I'm not Johnny Hustle didn't run much faster than E-Rod and then that jerk spiked Pearce on this way to 1b. This guy is definitely a worthy Yankee.
What a great turnaround. A ballsy win after a disgusting loss or choke job by Kinsler.
I'm not one for blind faith. I need to see it with my eyes how the Sox would handle the situation and they passed the test with flying colors. Tomorrow they could ace the test with that Series clinching win.
Like I said, not blind faith. I wasn't impressed for most of the game. They looked lethargic and ready to be beaten. Hill was impressive, but the Sox were having feeble ABs. I wasn't the only one unimpressed apparently. Chris Sale, apparently, didn't like what he saw and had quite a lot to say about it to his teammates. Was there a cause an effect? Who knows? Certainly didn't hurt.
Even Cora at that point was doing things he regretted. To his credit he admitted he left in E-Rod to die on the mound. I will say that was one helluva Tanner Boyle glove slam down by E-Rod, whose baserunning was ridiculous. As a middle aged guy I can run better than that!
So now Cora switches things up and announces David Price as Game 5 starter and pushes Sale back to a potential Game 6.
This tells me most likely that Sale is having trouble bouncing back as far as his stamina goes and needs the extra rest.
I just hope the short rest plus roving responsibilities don't take a toll on Price tomorrow. If he struggles it won't be because of the old narrative, it would be because of how often he's been up throwing and how he's been used.
My guess is they're only looking for 5 innings out of him and to PH for him mid-game.
I would guess that we see Barnes and Brasier is rested now. I would guess that Porcello could wind up an 8th inning guy.
Maybe an inning for Kelly, but credit to him, he pushed through 2 innings and survived.
It wouldn't shock me if the Sox needed a closer and they feel that Kimbrel shouldn't pitch, to see Chris Sale come out of the bullpen to try to bring the Red Sox their 9th Championship.
At this point, even I think the Sox have a really good shot at closing things out sooner than later, whether they do it in LA or in Boston.
They set themselves up to win now.
The Dodgers had their chance to get right back into the series and they blew it. The Sox, to their credit, instead of being like the 1986 Red Sox or 2011 Rangers were more like the 2001 Diamondbacks or the 1992 Blue Jays who recovered from a crushing loss. That's ballsy. That is a characteristic of a Championship team.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 28, 2018 2:19:11 GMT -5
A couple of comments here (which I guess may have been made already), then I'll come back with pitch counts for all the relievers in every game on both teams. And finally, a comment / story I've been wanting to tell since the start of the post-season in the Clutch / Cora thread. That might be tomorrow.
1) I finally heard Joe Girardi on the MLB network mention jet lag as a possible factor in Friday's result, but he talked about "fire" or some such intangible.
I find it astonishing that neither Buck nor Smoltz mentioned that the last 9 innings of that game were played when the Red Sox body clocks were set to "sleep." I bet there were a lot of comments in the game thread about frustrating AB's by Sox hitters, but these guys have probably literally never tried to hit with that combination of neurotransmitter and hormone levels. Think of something really difficult that you do well and think how well you'd do it if someone kept you up past your bedtime and asked you to give it a shot -- multiple times over the next three hours.
If that proves to be the only loss of the series, it deserves not just an asterisk but a gold star one.
2) Be that as it may, neither circadian rhythm mistiming nor sleepiness can excuse you for not thinking through a game situation before a crucial PA. Ian Kinsler has to be thinking a) keep the ball in the infield at all costs, and b) under no circumstances rush a throw or in any way risk a bad one, because a bad throw ties the game, while an infield hit still leaves Austin Barnes facing Nathan Eovaldi with two outs. You can't blame him for slipping and you even can't blame him for the throw being terrible once he attempted it. But you can absolutely blame him for not getting his feet set and then throwing (very likely) late to 1B.
With an average matchup the odds of winning the game after an infield hit are 79%. With a good throw, they are 100%, with a wild one 39%. With an average matchup, you only rush an all-or-nothing throw to 1B if you have a 66% chance of succeeding versus throwing wildly [(79-39) / (100-39)]. However, with that matchup it's more like 80% [(89-44) / (100-44)].
How about if you think you have a 50% chance of getting him if you throw accurately? With an average matchup, you make the throw only if you think there's a 79% chance it will be accurate. With this matchup, it's 89%.
3) Tonight they faced a starting pitcher who was the toughest possible guy for them if he was on his game, and he was. You saw what they do to good bullpens when they're not sleep-deprived zombies.
4) No one mentioned that Devers in his career including post-season as a PH had been 0/6, 6 SO, 1 BB.
5) Sox have had 22 pinch-hit PA in the post-season and are .353 / .500 / .765, and that includes Blake Swihart's meaningless K with the score 14-1. In 13 PA with RISP, they are .300 / .462 / .900 (also including Blake), and in 7 PA with 2 outs and RISP they are .400 / .571 / 1.143 (2/5, 2 HR, 2 HBP). With 2 outs and multiple runners on base they are 2/3, 2 HR, 2 HBP.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 28, 2018 2:22:43 GMT -5
this is one of the many reasons I love Cora...I know it's easier to admit this in a win, but still few managers would. If there are Yiddish dictionaries, they're going to have to replace the picture next to "mensch" in the next edition.
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