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Post by cardsox on Dec 1, 2021 17:28:54 GMT -5
Phil Plantier? Plantier was almost sitting down when wating for each pitch. What reminds you of Plantier when you see Casas? Plantier looked like he was sitting on an imaginary squatty potty in the box. We've had some unorthodox stances in the annuls of history on the Sox, Dewey on his tippy toes, Mike Greenwell, Plantier, didn't Jose Awfulman kinda do the Julio Franco bit for a while? Yaz was a man of 1000 stances as his career progressed. Casas reminds me a bit of Sean Casey (The big donkey) but with more power. the big donkey was Adam Dunn
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Post by greekgodofpancakes on Dec 1, 2021 18:41:17 GMT -5
Wasn't Sean Casey, The Mayor?
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Post by shagworthy on Dec 1, 2021 19:35:10 GMT -5
Wasn't Sean Casey, The Mayor? I stand corrected.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 1, 2021 22:34:23 GMT -5
And Travis Hafner was 'Pronk' (combination of 'project' and 'donkey' - referencing Dunn)
This we should wait till he hits the majors before he gets a nickname.
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Post by borisman on Jan 27, 2022 10:34:16 GMT -5
Has anyone seen pictures of Casas lately? His arms look HUGE!
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Post by hank on Jan 27, 2022 10:43:26 GMT -5
Nah,80's was the heyday of Charlie Lau batting theory and this isn't it at all. They ruined Rich Gedman's swing. They did. Wondering if that is the approach Gedman still believes in since he's the new hitting coach in Worcester
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Post by iakovos11 on Jan 27, 2022 12:00:53 GMT -5
They ruined Rich Gedman's swing. They did. Wondering if that is the approach Gedman still believes in since he's the new hitting coach in Worcester I'm sure the Sox development people are aware of Gedman's philosophy and what he's teaching. If it didn't align with their preferred teaching and develpment philosophy, I'm sure he wouldn't be employed as a hitting coach in the Sox system. I think it's just as likely that he realized Lau's approach ruined his swing and wouldn't want to teach that.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jan 28, 2022 16:36:23 GMT -5
They did. Wondering if that is the approach Gedman still believes in since he's the new hitting coach in Worcester I'm sure the Sox development people are aware of Gedman's philosophy and what he's teaching. If it didn't align with their preferred teaching and develpment philosophy, I'm sure he wouldn't be employed as a hitting coach in the Sox system. I think it's just as likely that he realized Lau's approach ruined his swing and wouldn't want to teach that. If I recall correctly, and granted, I was 11, Gedman was more of a Walt Hriniak guy. The fact that I remember that, and can barely name 1 hitting coach who was not employed by the Red Sox in the past 3 years, shows how crazy it is that batting coaches used to be celebrities in their own right.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 29, 2022 15:58:12 GMT -5
I'm sure the Sox development people are aware of Gedman's philosophy and what he's teaching. If it didn't align with their preferred teaching and develpment philosophy, I'm sure he wouldn't be employed as a hitting coach in the Sox system. I think it's just as likely that he realized Lau's approach ruined his swing and wouldn't want to teach that. If I recall correctly, and granted, I was 11, Gedman was more of a Walt Hriniak guy. The fact that I remember that, and can barely name 1 hitting coach who was not employed by the Red Sox in the past 3 years, shows how crazy it is that batting coaches used to be celebrities in their own right. Walt Hriniak was a Charlie Lau guy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 30, 2022 6:41:34 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, and granted, I was 11, Gedman was more of a Walt Hriniak guy. The fact that I remember that, and can barely name 1 hitting coach who was not employed by the Red Sox in the past 3 years, shows how crazy it is that batting coaches used to be celebrities in their own right. Walt Hriniak was a Charlie Lau guy. Yes he was and the ultimate poster boy was Wade Boggs.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 30, 2022 8:07:30 GMT -5
Walt Hriniak was a Charlie Lau guy. Yes he was and the ultimate poster boy was Wade Boggs. Also (or perhaps even more) Dwight Evans, who was lost in 1980 ("At the 1980 All-Star break, he was hitting .194 and was being platooned in rightfield with Jim Dwyer. 'I was the easiest out in the league,' says Evans") before Hriniak remade his swing and he went on a tear for the next seven years at .279 .388 .504 .892, starting with leading the league in HRs in 1981, and after hitting .262 .344 .448 .792 his first nine years (Hriniak should also get credit for the .316 .413 .588 1.001 after the all-star break in 1980, not included in that .892 cited above). This story also has a lot about the serious health problems of his two young sons (which--this is not in the old story-- stabilized but lasted their whole lives until they passed away in 2019-20 in their 40s): vault.si.com/vault/1985/05/06/back-on-the-right-trackTo keep to topic: wouldn't it be great if Casas hits .279 .388 .504 .892 sometime soon? And Evans was an all-world RF who is not in the Hall of Fame.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 30, 2022 16:19:24 GMT -5
Walt Hriniak was a Charlie Lau guy. Yes he was and the ultimate poster boy was Wade Boggs. Conversely wasn't George Brett the poster child for Charlie Lau? And Hriniak was a disciple of Lau. Of course Ted William's was no fan of the Lau/Hriniak hitting theories.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 30, 2022 16:21:34 GMT -5
Yes he was and the ultimate poster boy was Wade Boggs. Conversely wasn't George Brett the poster child for Charlie Lau? And Hriniak was a disciple of Lau. Of course Ted William's was no fan of the Lau/Hriniak hitting theories. In the end, Williams was right. I could have been a much better player, but I was taught the Lau/Hreniak swing. Even Wade Boggs would have been better, which is scary. Remember the year he hit 24 home runs and still hit .363 with about the same k rate?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 30, 2022 16:25:03 GMT -5
Conversely wasn't George Brett the poster child for Charlie Lau? And Hriniak was a disciple of Lau. Of course Ted William's was no fan of the Lau/Hriniak hitting theories. In the end, Williams was right. I could have been a much better player, but I was taught the Lau/Hreniak swing. Even Wade Boggs would have been better, which is scary. Call me crazy but I'd trust Ted Williams' theories of hitting over those of Charlie Lau's, who was a 3rd string catcher and hit like one.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 30, 2022 21:08:07 GMT -5
Just gonna steer this convo back towards this millennium, Casas is a damn moose.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 30, 2022 22:21:11 GMT -5
Just gonna steer this convo back towards this millennium, Casas is a damn moose. My first thought seeing that video is that guy does not skip leg days.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jan 30, 2022 23:01:45 GMT -5
Question? Is Casas a better prospect than Rizzo was? I feel like Casas might have a higher ceiling than Rizzo did. Rizzo peaked at 3 in the rankings before he was dealt.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 31, 2022 0:18:47 GMT -5
I'd say Casas is a better prospect than Rizzo was when the Red Sox traded him, for sure. I don't think it's necessarily fair to expect that sort of career out of him (Rizzo basically hit his upside projection), but yeah, that's the sort of player he can be. The thing that separates Casas from other 1B-only types is how advanced he is in terms of approach. Lots of dudes out there who you can envision popping 35 homers, but very few who can match Casas's approach and the ability to protect the plate. There's a real chance he could hit .300 with 80+ walks, and his power upside is apparent. He's really exciting.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 31, 2022 2:04:44 GMT -5
That is what's impressed me the most. People might have been expecting him to try to go yard every time but he had other plans. I think he already knows he can launch balls. His stated goal is to be a complete hitter as you say. That's very revealing for such a young guy. It's clear he's thought this through.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 31, 2022 8:51:03 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 9, 2022 15:43:34 GMT -5
I feel like a really easy comp for Casas is Youkalis with a chance to hit for more power.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 9, 2022 15:59:34 GMT -5
I feel like a really easy comp for Casas is Youkalis with a chance to hit for more power. I can see it, but I certainly hope Casas can be the defender Youkilis was at 1b. Not sure about that, though. Am looking forward to Casas. Most intriguing 1b prospect since Mo Vaughn. I won't say Youkilis because he was considered a 3b prospect.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 9, 2022 16:00:55 GMT -5
So like a 7 WAR player at his peak? I'd take it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 9, 2022 17:23:58 GMT -5
I don't see the comp.
Youkilis: 6-1, 220, R/R. College draft pick came up as a 3B and was ok there before moving to 1B in deference to Mike Lowell. Known for extremely high OBP and control of the strike zone. Grew into unexpected power in MLB and was an unexpectedly great defender at 1B.
Casas: 6-5, 250 (probably like 265 now I bet), L/R. HS draft pick was never going to stick at 3B and pretty quickly moved to 1B where he's pretty good. Calling card is his power and has potential to develop an average to above-average hit tool.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 9, 2022 19:51:19 GMT -5
1. Figure out which past or present MLB player most resembles a HS draftee with a big frame who projects for decent 1B defense, meh BA, and high ISO. 2. ?? 3. Profit!
(I have never understood the purpose of comps.)
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