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Post by bmoneyproblemz on Jan 7, 2026 15:52:46 GMT -5
John Henry, that's why. He won't pay out a multi-year contract just to get rid of a player. He'll eat cash on the final deal of the year sure, but he'd rather the team get a terrible return than eat the majority of a multi-year deal. You are just imagining this. The Red Sox have done this exact thing in the past with guys like Sandoval and Ramirez. And it's not like it would alter the team's budget if they didn't have Yoshida; it just means they'd have more money to spend elsewhere. So if they did attach a prospect to Yoshida in a trade (which I don't expect), that would be the purpose - to have more money to spend elsewhere. Hanley was DFA'd in the last year of his contract...so he only had to eat the rest of that years salary. Panda I will give you, they realized almost immediately they made a mistake and bought out the last 2 years of his deal. And I'm not saying its bad, its a good financial and business decision to not have dead money for multiple years. But it's also why Price was included in the Mookie Betts deal and we got one of the worst returns in recent memory. So I'm not imagining this, and I'm not saying that its not the correct financial decision to not want to eat money on bad contracts, but I think we also need to be honest about the budget Henry has set and is not a fan of eating money on multi-year contracts. |
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Post by incandenza on Jan 7, 2026 16:03:34 GMT -5
You are just imagining this. The Red Sox have done this exact thing in the past with guys like Sandoval and Ramirez. And it's not like it would alter the team's budget if they didn't have Yoshida; it just means they'd have more money to spend elsewhere. So if they did attach a prospect to Yoshida in a trade (which I don't expect), that would be the purpose - to have more money to spend elsewhere. Hanley was DFA'd in the last year of his contract...so he only had to eat the rest of that years salary. Panda I will give you, they realized almost immediately they made a mistake and bought out the last 2 years of his deal. And I'm not saying its bad, its a good financial and business decision to not have dead money for multiple years. But it's also why Price was included in the Mookie Betts deal and we got one of the worst returns in recent memory. So I'm not imagining this, and I'm not saying that its not the correct financial decision to not want to eat money on bad contracts, but I think we also need to be honest about the budget Henry has set and is not a fan of eating money on multi-year contracts. It just has nothing to do with the budgetary bottom line. If they used a prospect to get out of the Yoshida contract it would not be to lower the team's budget - it would just be to reallocate resources. Henry is not like opposed in principle to reallocating resources. They ate the Hicks contract, part of the Sale contract, not all but half of the Price contract, etc.; they eat money all the time to preserve prospect capital.
Also Yoshida only has two years left on a five-year deal; it's not the majority of the contract that's remaining. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 7, 2026 17:39:03 GMT -5
This idea that Yoshida wasn't hurt and/or slow-rolled his rehab really needs to stop. There are videos of him wincing in pain as he threw. He wasn't ready to play the field. (It's a completely separate argument that he might have been a DH-only on the 2025 Sox, but they had Devers in that role to start the year.) The idea that the 2025 Red Sox would have been better off with Yoshida playing the OF really needs to stop. |
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Jan 7, 2026 18:00:20 GMT -5
This idea that Yoshida wasn't hurt and/or slow-rolled his rehab really needs to stop. There are videos of him wincing in pain as he threw. He wasn't ready to play the field. (It's a completely separate argument that he might have been a DH-only on the 2025 Sox, but they had Devers in that role to start the year.) The idea that the 2025 Red Sox would have been better off with Yoshida playing the OF really needs to stop. I'm not saying that. But it's clear the Sox wanted to put Devers in a DH only role at first. So the only fit for Yoshida was a bench bat/4th OF. He couldn't play the field, so he was put on the DL. When the DH spot opened up, he had a fit on the team. The thing that I'm objecting to his the idea/insinuation that he either completely faked the injury, or deliberately slow-rolled his rehab. (To the point where he could throw from the OF, but was pretending he couldn't.) |
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 7, 2026 18:25:00 GMT -5
The idea that the 2025 Red Sox would have been better off with Yoshida playing the OF really needs to stop. I'm not saying that. But it's clear the Sox wanted to put Devers in a DH only role at first. So the only fit for Yoshida was a bench bat/4th OF. He couldn't play the field, so he was put on the DL. When the DH spot opened up, he had a fit on the team. The thing that I'm objecting to his the idea/insinuation that he either completely faked the injury, or deliberately slow-rolled his rehab. (To the point where he could throw from the OF, but was pretending he couldn't.) He would have been 99% of the player he was all season on opening day. He's not worthy of an OF spot. Ref was more the 4th OF to start the season because Yoshida couldn't platoon with Abreu or Duran and he sure as hell shouldn't be replacing Rafaela. Of course they were playing roster games with him. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 7, 2026 18:35:39 GMT -5
I guess you worry about it and when it happens, but what happens in the scenario where Casas has a 132 wRC+ in AAA on June 28th while Yoshida has a 104 wRC+ in the MLB? Yoshida probably still wouldn't have any trade value but would the team really cut him to make room for Casas? If Yoshida is doing "ok" and in that 100-110 wRC range, what would Casas have to do in AAA for the Sox to call him up and cut Yoshida (or pay 90% of his contract to play elsewhere)? In this scenario the right choice would be to keep both players where they are and I don’t find that bothersome in the slightest. |
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Jan 7, 2026 19:06:26 GMT -5
I'm not saying that. But it's clear the Sox wanted to put Devers in a DH only role at first. So the only fit for Yoshida was a bench bat/4th OF. He couldn't play the field, so he was put on the DL. When the DH spot opened up, he had a fit on the team. The thing that I'm objecting to his the idea/insinuation that he either completely faked the injury, or deliberately slow-rolled his rehab. (To the point where he could throw from the OF, but was pretending he couldn't.) He would have been 99% of the player he was all season on opening day. He's not worthy of an OF spot. Ref was more the 4th OF to start the season because Yoshida couldn't platoon with Abreu or Duran and he sure as hell shouldn't be replacing Rafaela. Of course they were playing roster games with him. Quite the trigger, ain't he? |
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 8, 2026 22:02:00 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 10, 2026 16:13:56 GMT -5
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Post by shagworthy on Jan 10, 2026 16:24:48 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Jan 10, 2026 16:54:38 GMT -5
Health update from Casas:
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 10, 2026 17:03:11 GMT -5
If he can't really play full time until early May I'd just assume option him after ST and get the extra year of service.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jan 10, 2026 17:18:38 GMT -5
If he can't really play full time until early May I'd just assume option him after ST and get the extra year of service. Can you option an injured player? |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 10, 2026 17:32:38 GMT -5
If he can't really play full time until early May I'd just assume option him after ST and get the extra year of service. Can you option an injured player? He's not currently on the IL because it's not a thing right now. Being such I'm pretty sure they could option him. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 10, 2026 17:40:01 GMT -5
If he's not going to make it on the opening day roster then it will be in his best interests to start the year on the IL and go on a rehab stint even if he plays game 1 for the WooSox. It's a gray area and the Red Sox are unlikely to fight him tooth and nail over the service days.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 10, 2026 17:43:19 GMT -5
If he's not going to make it on the opening day roster then it will be in his best interests to start the year on the IL and go on a rehab stint even if he plays game 1 for the WooSox. It's a gray area and the Red Sox are unlikely to fight him tooth and nail over the service days. What is there to fight tho? Like he says hes probably not getting much if any PT at 1st base in the early going. They currently have 4 good OFers plus Yoshida to rotate at DH. Why IL him when they can just option him. I really don't see the argument to be made to IL him and rehab stint him in AAA when there is currently no roster spot for him. They can't really roster both Casas and Yoshida in an efficient roster building sense and Casas is the one who can be optioned. Just option him after ST ends. |
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jan 10, 2026 17:58:11 GMT -5
If he's not going to make it on the opening day roster then it will be in his best interests to start the year on the IL and go on a rehab stint even if he plays game 1 for the WooSox. It's a gray area and the Red Sox are unlikely to fight him tooth and nail over the service days. What is there to fight tho? Like he says hes probably not getting much if any PT at 1st base in the early going. They currently have 4 good OFers plus Yoshida to rotate at DH. Why IL him when they can just option him. I really don't see the argument to be made to IL him and rehab stint him in AAA when there is currently no roster spot for him. They can't really roster both Casas and Yoshida in an efficient roster building sense and Casas is the one who can be optioned. Just option him after ST ends. I get that he’s not currently on the IL, but he is currently hurt and in the process of rehabbing. Should they also option Tanner Houck (for the hypothetical, assume he has an option left which I’m not sure about)? All injured players with options should be put on the IL if the team can? Perhaps teams can option injured players and they just don’t do it as a norm that is respectful to players. The Sox could choose to break that norm, but becoming known as the team that options players with long term injuries is likely a reputational stain that isn’t worth the gain. |
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Post by scottfree319 on Jan 10, 2026 18:00:43 GMT -5
Now that it’s out there that he’s likely missing the first ~6 weeks of the season I wonder how likely it is he’s added to the 60 day IL. If he is placed on the 60 during the spring he’d free up a 40 man spot (for the inevitable NRI who shines in ST) and his eligible return date (5/25/26) would lineup nicely with when he’s aiming to get back on the field (early May) plus the maximum 20 day rehab period.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 10, 2026 18:01:05 GMT -5
What is there to fight tho? Like he says hes probably not getting much if any PT at 1st base in the early going. They currently have 4 good OFers plus Yoshida to rotate at DH. Why IL him when they can just option him. I really don't see the argument to be made to IL him and rehab stint him in AAA when there is currently no roster spot for him. They can't really roster both Casas and Yoshida in an efficient roster building sense and Casas is the one who can be optioned. Just option him after ST ends. I get that he’s not currently on the IL, but he is currently hurt and in the process of rehabbing. Should they also option Tanner Houck (for the hypothetical, assume he has an option left which I’m not sure about)? All injured players with options should be put on the IL if the team can? Perhaps teams can option injured players and they just don’t do it as a norm that is respectful to players. The Sox could choose to break that norm, but becoming known as the team that options players with long term injuries is likely a reputational stain that isn’t worth the gain. There is currently no spot on the roster for Casas. He has an option. That's just the nature of the beast to me. I don't buy an argument that the team owes it to Casas not to option him in this scenario. Its also different with Houck because they can put him on the 60 day IL and clear his 40 man spot. I don't see them doing that with Casas so its apples to oranges there. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 10, 2026 18:29:55 GMT -5
Casas can threaten to file a grievance if he thinks he should be on the MLB IL but is optioned to deny service time. I don't remember the details but I think last season we optioned an overworked reliever and then a couple days later we changed it to a MLB IL stint.
It's a gray area. Say he gets into 8 ST games playing 2-3 times a week. Is he ready to go?
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jan 10, 2026 18:42:19 GMT -5
Casas can threaten to file a grievance if he thinks he should be on the MLB IL but is optioned to deny service time. I don't remember the details but I think last season we optioned an overworked reliever and then a couple days later we changed it to a MLB IL stint. It's a gray area. Say he gets into 8 ST games playing 2-3 times a week. Is he ready to go? He'll have no case if Yoshida plays replacement level or they keep Duran. |
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Post by mainesox on Jan 10, 2026 19:06:47 GMT -5
If he can't really play full time until early May I'd just assume option him after ST and get the extra year of service. I think an option rather than an IL stint is only going to happen if he is ready to play. There's no chance they option an injured player who isn't ready for regular baseball activities, he'll be on the IL rehabbing if he can't play yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2026 19:09:02 GMT -5
Casas can threaten to file a grievance if he thinks he should be on the MLB IL but is optioned to deny service time. I don't remember the details but I think last season we optioned an overworked reliever and then a couple days later we changed it to a MLB IL stint. It's a gray area. Say he gets into 8 ST games playing 2-3 times a week. Is he ready to go? He'll have no case if Yoshida plays replacement level or they keep Duran. That should not have anything to do with it until he is recovered from the injury. |
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jan 10, 2026 19:09:32 GMT -5
Casas can threaten to file a grievance if he thinks he should be on the MLB IL but is optioned to deny service time. I don't remember the details but I think last season we optioned an overworked reliever and then a couple days later we changed it to a MLB IL stint. It's a gray area. Say he gets into 8 ST games playing 2-3 times a week. Is he ready to go? That’s less than Yoshida played last year before an extended time on the IL. The doctors- and now Casas himself- are saying this is a 12 month jury to rehab in order to be cleared to play in MLB. I would be shocked if Casas was optioned out of spring training. The Sox would lose that grievance so fast it would be an embarrassment to Breslow and the organization. Hmm, if you’re cynical you might even think Casas - perhaps at the behest of his agent - is talking more openly about a May 1 return precisely to establish that he is injured and likely to remain injured into the season. We’ll see how it plays out. But I’ve mentally put him in the IL for April. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 10, 2026 19:27:53 GMT -5
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