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Post by station13 on Apr 13, 2019 15:02:29 GMT -5
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We're coming back to win this.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 13, 2019 15:10:48 GMT -5
Mookie not having a great season so far.
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Post by station13 on Apr 13, 2019 15:15:22 GMT -5
Mookie not having a great season so far. Take good pitches, swing at not so good pitches.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 13, 2019 15:36:39 GMT -5
offense hasn't had a game yet where they've really broken out. This was a good chance against Cashner but oh well They've hit the ball harder than the Orioles today.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 13, 2019 15:37:04 GMT -5
Mookie not having a great season so far. .238 BABIP so far.
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Post by p23w on Apr 13, 2019 15:51:03 GMT -5
Weak.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 13, 2019 15:57:23 GMT -5
agree; feels like all year that pitching hasn't gone right, the offense hasn't gone right, nor the defense or baserunning
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 13, 2019 16:31:05 GMT -5
agree; feels like all year that pitching hasn't gone right, the offense hasn't gone right, nor the defense or baserunning This team is going to struggle to turn it around. They have been incapable of playing in sync in all Aspects of the game. There is always one aspect that fails to show up
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 13, 2019 17:12:05 GMT -5
Baseball gods evening out for last year. Pitchers leaving flat stuff high in the zone too often.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 13, 2019 17:21:01 GMT -5
Quick somebody give Pedro's cell number to Sale and Porcello.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 13, 2019 19:07:53 GMT -5
It is certainly odd to be worrying about two different significant aspects of the team right now - largely ineffective starting pitching, and some key bats that are struggling. Baseball is a funny game...law of averages evening things out?
Mookie struggling is really hurting the offense - having Benni and Mookie setting the table makes everything to follow work. Without it, little is working well (there are some sporadic good things, but as someone above said, the offense hasn't really rolled yet).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 13, 2019 19:42:04 GMT -5
Yeah I'm glad that the Sox got the very best years out of Rick Porcello, but I won't shed a tear once he departs. He's dependable, until he isn't and he can't stay effective. This year is looking like 2015 more and more with him.
Not even the crappy Orioles can fix him.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 13, 2019 19:54:09 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 13, 2019 20:19:20 GMT -5
I’m encouraged by Thornburg, actually. I’d prefer that, with Lin, they drop Nunez. Though tbh that would probably come back to bite them. Seems to me that Thornburg’s issue is almost entirely command. He’s goving up hard contact with good stuff, but he’s also still getting whiffs. I think they’d be best-served to hold onto him for a bit and see if the rust shakes off. He’s basically showing pre-TO-surgery stuff, and his control/command have improved since ST. He’d almost certainly have more trade value than Nunez. And I think Nunez would be easier to replace should the need arise (Lin, for one...but on the trade market, too). I’ve got a bad feeling that, with his CB looking excellent, if the Sox got rid of Thornburg, he’d rediscover his mojo pretty quickly. I don’t think it’s far off. Brewer has been a *find*. Thornburg has a better fastball than last year, but it was getting smoked in the beginning of spring training. His offspeed is still really good, but I don't know if he'll have the consistency to make it in by the end of the year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2019 21:25:31 GMT -5
That was another ugly game. Terrible starting pitching again as Porcello was awful again. He was lucky to only be charged with 3 runs.
I have to say - I'm not overly impressed by Colten Brewer. It's very simple. The guy cannot throw enough strikes. You know when he comes in he's going to walk somebody. His control will not allow him to be a highly dependable reliever.
The offense was kind of sluggish against a guy that everybody else tattoos.
This season is going to be a trying season. They got to get their starting pitching straightened out. Hopefully Pedro's changes to E-Rod's mechanics sticks. As far as Porcello goes, ? Are we looking at another 2017? He's certainly making the decision not to bring him back pretty easy. And I guess we'll see if Cora is correct and it's the slider command that Sale needs to improve - can't argue with that assertion. Eovaldi has been bad in 3 starts. Hopefully Price has his first strong outing of the year. I'd hate to see the Sox come out of this series with less than 3 wins at home against a crappy Orioles team.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 13, 2019 21:26:43 GMT -5
Yeah I'm glad that the Sox got the very best years out of Rick Porcello, but I won't shed a tear once he departs. He's dependable, until he isn't and he can't stay effective. This year is looking like 2015 more and more with him. Not even the crappy Orioles can fix him. I didn’t think he’d be back anyway, but this pretty much seals it barring some miraculous turnaround, and it might portend his departure in-season depending on how Shawaryn-Hernandez-Mata-Houck look. The rotation is really, really awful right now. They look like a *bad* team. I can’t see it continuing with the talent they have...but...2018 Nationals...
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Post by telson13 on Apr 13, 2019 21:28:56 GMT -5
That was another ugly game. Terrible starting pitching again as Porcello was awful again. He was lucky to only be charged with 3 runs. I have to say - I'm not overly impressed by Colten Brewer. It's very simple. The guy cannot throw enough strikes. You know when he comes in he's going to walk somebody. His control will not allow him to be a highly dependable reliever. The offense was kind of sluggish against a guy that everybody else tattoos. This season is going to be a trying season. They got to get their starting pitching straightened out. Hopefully Pedro's changes to E-Rod's mechanics sticks. As far as Porcello goes, ? Are we looking at another 2017? He's certainly making the decision not to bring him back pretty easy. And I guess we'll see if Cora is correct and it's the slider command that Sale needs to improve - can't argue with that assertion. Eovaldi has been bad in 3 starts. Hopefully Price has his first strong outing of the year. I'd hate to see the Sox come out of this series with less than 3 wins at home against a crappy Orioles team. Brewer was awful today but I still think he develops command enough to be a 7th-inning option. It’s certainly an ongoing problem (hence SD willing to part with him for Quiroz).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 13, 2019 21:32:18 GMT -5
That was another ugly game. Terrible starting pitching again as Porcello was awful again. He was lucky to only be charged with 3 runs. I have to say - I'm not overly impressed by Colten Brewer. It's very simple. The guy cannot throw enough strikes. You know when he comes in he's going to walk somebody. His control will not allow him to be a highly dependable reliever. The offense was kind of sluggish against a guy that everybody else tattoos. This season is going to be a trying season. They got to get their starting pitching straightened out. Hopefully Pedro's changes to E-Rod's mechanics sticks. As far as Porcello goes, ? Are we looking at another 2017? He's certainly making the decision not to bring him back pretty easy. And I guess we'll see if Cora is correct and it's the slider command that Sale needs to improve - can't argue with that assertion. Eovaldi has been bad in 3 starts. Hopefully Price has his first strong outing of the year. I'd hate to see the Sox come out of this series with less than 3 wins at home against a crappy Orioles team. Brewer was awful today but I still think he develops command enough to be a 7th-inning option. It’s certainly an ongoing problem (hence SD willing to part with him for Quiroz). The driving factor for SD to part with him was a 40 man crunch on their side. Quiroz didn't need to be on the 40 man. At some point, it was said that DD tried to get him last year but the price was too high.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 13, 2019 21:35:17 GMT -5
Thornburg has a better fastball than last year, but it was getting smoked in the beginning of spring training. His offspeed is still really good, but I don't know if he'll have the consistency to make it in by the end of the year. His velo has been as good as its ever been. I really believe it’s the command struggles post-time off. I think as his FB command improves with reps, he’s willing to go up in the zone as Smith noted, and that allows him to use the CB down (and more often, as well as in the zone, with the vertical gradient protecting him some from mistakes in the zone). With him throwing 94 now, there’s a fair chance he gets up to 95 come warmer weather, and that too will give him a little more margin for error. His raw stuff borders on terrific...the command will come and with it, softer contact and success.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 13, 2019 21:37:13 GMT -5
Brewer was awful today but I still think he develops command enough to be a 7th-inning option. It’s certainly an ongoing problem (hence SD willing to part with him for Quiroz). The driving factor for SD to part with him was a 40 man crunch on their side. Quiroz didn't need to be on the 40 man. At some point, it was said that DD tried to get him last year but the price was too high. I believe it. The raw stuff is quite good. They obviously think his control/command issues are addressable, and if DD was after him last year it suggests they’re pretty high on him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2019 22:19:01 GMT -5
The driving factor for SD to part with him was a 40 man crunch on their side. Quiroz didn't need to be on the 40 man. At some point, it was said that DD tried to get him last year but the price was too high. I believe it. The raw stuff is quite good. They obviously think his control/command issues are addressable, and if DD was after him last year it suggests they’re pretty high on him. I guess I just don't see it with Brewer. I know he has a high spin rate but what good does it do you if they're not strikes, and in more cases than I'd like, not competitive pitches? I guess I just don't see what the fuss about Brewer was, why with all the other relievers on the market, other than the price tag, he was the must get?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 13, 2019 22:46:20 GMT -5
I believe it. The raw stuff is quite good. They obviously think his control/command issues are addressable, and if DD was after him last year it suggests they’re pretty high on him. I guess I just don't see it with Brewer. I know he has a high spin rate but what good does it do you if they're not strikes, and in more cases than I'd like, not competitive pitches? I guess I just don't see what the fuss about Brewer was, why with all the other relievers on the market, other than the price tag, he was the must get? He throws hard and has a lot of movement. Hopefully his command will improve with time. One bad outing doesn't make him a bust but he has options so he's likely to go down when Holt and Johnson return. For me, he's a higher probability of being a dominant reliever than Hembree or Workman.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2019 23:20:10 GMT -5
I guess I just don't see it with Brewer. I know he has a high spin rate but what good does it do you if they're not strikes, and in more cases than I'd like, not competitive pitches? I guess I just don't see what the fuss about Brewer was, why with all the other relievers on the market, other than the price tag, he was the must get? He throws hard and has a lot of movement. Hopefully his command will improve with time. One bad outing doesn't make him a bust but he has options so he's likely to go down when Holt and Johnson return. For me, he's a higher probability of being a dominant reliever than Hembree or Workman. It's not the one bad outing. It's the walks. I cannot stand watching relievers come in and not throw strikes. It shrinks their margin of error for making a mistake. And with Brewer it's hard for him to come and not walk anybody. I honestly think with more innings he'd wind up with at least 5 BB/9 IP, which is a tough ratio to survive with. I'm afraid we're going to see that with Hernandez when he comes up. I think there's a lot of thought that he can be a second half impact guy but I think we're going to see a lot of walks with him, too unfortunately. The walks drive me crazy. That's one of the reasons why I loved Koji so much. He'd pour in strike after strike.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 14, 2019 3:31:36 GMT -5
I was hoping that they would have signed Blake Parker. He always had good success against the Sox and the Twins have themselves a very dependable reliever. My only caveat, and it is a big one..How much would he have costed us considering our teetering with the threshhold.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 14, 2019 8:20:08 GMT -5
I guess I just don't see it with Brewer. I know he has a high spin rate but what good does it do you if they're not strikes, and in more cases than I'd like, not competitive pitches? I guess I just don't see what the fuss about Brewer was, why with all the other relievers on the market, other than the price tag, he was the must get? He throws hard and has a lot of movement. Hopefully his command will improve with time. One bad outing doesn't make him a bust but he has options so he's likely to go down when Holt and Johnson return. For me, he's a higher probability of being a dominant reliever than Hembree or Workman. Agreed. Obviously they think they can harness the raw talent/stuff by maybe tweaking his delivery or release, presuming the command will allow him to take off. Idk if they will, but I agree that given his movement and the high cutter velo (which is basically the same as his 4FB), he’s got significant upside.
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