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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 23, 2019 22:38:10 GMT -5
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 23, 2019 22:38:47 GMT -5
This team really looks like one that is struggling with the weight of expectations. Won it all last season. Expecting themselves to possibly do the same thing this season. Get off to a bad start, start feeling the pressure a bit and it starts to snowball. Then throw in a panicky front office move and injuries for good measure. I said at the end of the season opening west coast swing I thought the team needed to get home, settle in, and start playing the baseball they were capable of. Well they got home finally but it hasn't helped their play on the field. At these times I like to remember what that great baseball player/philosopher Yogi said about 90% of the game... Meh, guys just arent performing really anywhere. I keep hearing Cora complaints but his ERA isnt over 6 and his batting average isnt under the Mason/ Dixon line. Guys need to start performing up to their current and future paychecks or DD gonna be a seller in July.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 23, 2019 22:40:03 GMT -5
Hernandez and Lakins did look good, but I have seen that from Brewer and Thornburg and the next time they stink it up. there is no conssistency in the middle relief pitching. Neither is ready. Each gave up 4 hits in 2+ innings. Lakins topped at 94 and I think Hernandez did to. This is less than Hembree, Walden, Thornburg. True, velocity isn't everything but the dominant relief guys are 3-5 mph higher. Hernandez might help if his command gets better as he is a lefty. Lakins went a inning too long because the Sox didn't want to burn anyone else. He looked really good. His velocity should uptick as the summer goes along.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 23, 2019 22:40:26 GMT -5
DD & Alex excel at managing success. Not so good at dealing with failure. Total failure.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 23, 2019 22:43:42 GMT -5
Just win the series is what we are told..Well..this series has been lost and they have lost all except Tampa. They can still split. You are right..forgot it was a 4 game series
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 23, 2019 22:49:20 GMT -5
So why did he have Barnes warm up then? Just in case they took the lead.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 23, 2019 22:49:55 GMT -5
This is horrific. Good job by the first four guys, I guess though?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 23, 2019 22:55:23 GMT -5
Pete Abraham Verified account @peteabe
A father and son leaving the game grabbed Michael Chavis' home run ball after it landed and returned it to him.
All they wanted in return was a ball signed by Dustin Pedroia.
So a nice coda to an otherwise lousy day for the Red Sox.
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Post by station13 on Apr 23, 2019 22:59:21 GMT -5
Park your car on Landsdowne at your own risk. That was a bomb. More of that to come.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 23, 2019 23:15:06 GMT -5
Chavis, Hernandez and Lakins all out performed expectations.
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Post by beavertontim on Apr 23, 2019 23:18:53 GMT -5
we could use Moncada's .982 OPS It would be nice, but I liked having Sale and winning the World Series last year. If you want great sometimes you have to sacrifice great.
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Post by libertine on Apr 23, 2019 23:26:04 GMT -5
Pete Abraham Verified account @peteabe A father and son leaving the game grabbed Michael Chavis' home run ball after it landed and returned it to him. All they wanted in return was a ball signed by Dustin Pedroia. So a nice coda to an otherwise lousy day for the Red Sox. Nice to see the cool people of the world stand up and be counted. If it were me I would have asked for an autographed ball from Michael. That would have been more than enough for me...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 23, 2019 23:26:55 GMT -5
we could use Moncada's .982 OPS It would be nice, but I liked having Sale and winning the World Series last year. If you want great sometimes you have to sacrifice great. Why even bother answering a troll post ?
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 23, 2019 23:28:18 GMT -5
we could use Moncada's .982 OPS It would be nice, but I liked having Sale and winning the World Series last year. If you want great sometimes you have to sacrifice great. indeed...just musing aloud. But weren't there some rumors that the trade from our end was a choice between giving up Devers or Moncada as the headliner?
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Post by telson13 on Apr 23, 2019 23:46:33 GMT -5
It would be nice, but I liked having Sale and winning the World Series last year. If you want great sometimes you have to sacrifice great. indeed...just musing aloud. But weren't there some rumors that the trade from our end was a choice between giving up Devers or Moncada as the headliner? Naw, Devers was the third piece CHW asked for, after Moncada and Kopech. That was a no-go, and the White Sox took X Basabe (toolsy low-level CF) and Victor Diaz (lottery arm) instead.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 24, 2019 1:07:13 GMT -5
Glad Lakins did well, but his stuff isn't what I expected. He's not close to reports from the end of last year. He was like low 90s, I was expecting mid to upper 90s.
Given the offense, I've seen enough Chavis to say he needs to be given a chance right now even when guys get healthy. Quick bat, goes crazy hard after everything. His power is legit and he had some good ABs taking pitches.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 24, 2019 5:54:57 GMT -5
we could use Moncada's .982 OPS We can't give up the Championship.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 24, 2019 6:58:41 GMT -5
we could use Moncada's .982 OPS We can't give up the Championship. I dunno. At the rate that this 2019 team is inventing new ways to be terrible, they'll be losing last year's games by midseason.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 24, 2019 6:59:42 GMT -5
We can't give up the Championship. I dunno. At the rate that this 2019 team is inventing new ways to be terrible, they'll be losing last year's games by midseason. And soon, fans will be demanding that Dombrowski goes back in time to make different decisions.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 24, 2019 11:24:49 GMT -5
If people are willing to take a step back, a lot of the complaints in this thread should actually be sort of encouraging - they're mostly about guys who we know are going to be better. Mookie is going to hit; heck, he has already started hitting in the last few days. JD's power will show up. JBJ will probably suck for another month and then go on a 3-month tear. And as for that tweet pedrofan posted about how good the top 4 of the bullpen have been - that's pretty encouraging! If we have a legit top 4 that can maintain that level of performance, it's just a matter of letting the back end sort itself out (and of getting the starters deeper into games, which should also start happening).
The bad news is just that all these games have counted, and we've dug a pretty significant hole. But I still don't see any reason to think there's anything really wrong with this team that some positive regression won't fix.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 24, 2019 12:43:17 GMT -5
indeed...just musing aloud. But weren't there some rumors that the trade from our end was a choice between giving up Devers or Moncada as the headliner? Naw, Devers was the third piece CHW asked for, after Moncada and Kopech. That was a no-go, and the White Sox took X Basabe (toolsy low-level CF) and Victor Diaz (lottery arm) instead. As the person who used to champion this theory, is my duty to point out that iirc it has since been disproven. They definitely said they wouldn't trade Devers but were OK trading Moncada and Kopech. And fwiw, like 2 months ago that looked like the clearly correct decision, so let's not get crazy with one month of stats. They also declined to include Mata.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 24, 2019 15:30:53 GMT -5
I dunno. At the rate that this 2019 team is inventing new ways to be terrible, they'll be losing last year's games by midseason. And soon, fans will be demanding that Dombrowski goes back in time to make different decisions. Hey - no Avengers Endgame spoilers!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 24, 2019 15:48:30 GMT -5
it is the stark contrast to last year that is likely the real source of frustration. Yes, we always want the boys to play well, but a lot has gone wrong here, or maybe a lot went right last year. Who really knows ? There have some good theories, but really, this is quite unexpected and way out of the normal distribution.
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Post by bosox on Apr 24, 2019 15:59:59 GMT -5
Naw, Devers was the third piece CHW asked for, after Moncada and Kopech. That was a no-go, and the White Sox took X Basabe (toolsy low-level CF) and Victor Diaz (lottery arm) instead. As the person who used to champion this theory, is my duty to point out that iirc it has since been disproven. They definitely said they wouldn't trade Devers but were OK trading Moncada and Kopech. And fwiw, like 2 months ago that looked like the clearly correct decision, so let's not get crazy with one month of stats. They also declined to include Mata. Even if Moncada goes on to have an outstanding season, the Sox got what they wanted in Sale and another championship. The White Sox are seeing what they had hoped they would get with Moncada. You never know how deals will turn out and at that point, you had to trade something good to get a Chris Sale.
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Post by huskies15 on Apr 24, 2019 16:13:20 GMT -5
Regardless of whether a lot went right last year, this team is coming off winning the division 3 years running. The track record of success is established, thus making this pitiful performance to date all the more unexpected.
Have to hope that the water finds its level, and that it hasnt already found its new level.
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