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Post by manfred on May 1, 2019 19:51:17 GMT -5
For all the sturm und drang, I’d actually be nervous if I was a Rays or Yanks fan: Sox were as brutal as can be, but they didn’t put more distance on them. I am totally optimistic.
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Post by nomar on May 1, 2019 20:08:38 GMT -5
WAR Leaderboard Travis Shaw = -0.4 Tyler Thornburg = -0.1 Big time trade win. If Shaw can just have a negative seven and a half WAR season, I think we'll be in the clear. Fingers crossed
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Post by patford on May 1, 2019 20:14:20 GMT -5
For all the sturm und drang, I’d actually be nervous if I was a Rays or Yanks fan: Sox were as brutal as can be, but they didn’t put more distance on them. I am totally optimistic. They still aren't really hitting on all cylinders. Wait until Devers hits ten bombs in a week.
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Post by incandenza on May 1, 2019 20:49:21 GMT -5
Not being a Negative Nancy.... being a realist..... the Sox are done for 2019. I am officially on record as saying " they are done" Play Chavis daily at 2b. Trade Porcello. Let D. Hernandez have a rotation spot. Bring LAkins and Feltman up. Cut Nunez. Offer Betts one last contract and if he declines... trade him now. THose are starters... Noted. (Fangraphs gave them a 47% chance of making the playoffs before today's win.) Odds are up to 58% now. Pretty glad they haven't traded Betts!
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 1, 2019 20:50:13 GMT -5
Some newly-minted optimists in this thread, I see.
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Post by caseytins on May 1, 2019 20:59:26 GMT -5
It was a great series. Hopefully, they can build on the momentum. JBJ remains a huge concern and liability. How much longer can the team wait on him?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 1, 2019 21:34:46 GMT -5
It was a great series. Hopefully, they can build on the momentum. JBJ remains a huge concern and liability. How much longer can the team wait on him? Here’s the problem, who do you give his playing time to? The overall lack of MLB depth kind of forces them to wait it out with him.
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Post by incandenza on May 1, 2019 21:55:58 GMT -5
The thing about Bradley is, if ever there was a guy about whom to say "well it's probably just a super deep slump, no reason to think he's fallen off a cliff for good," he's the one. Might as well just ride it out for as long as it takes and know that the solid defense ought to mitigate your losses (even if he's been a little off in that department too). He hasn't failed to provide at least a 2-WAR season since 2014.
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Post by telson13 on May 1, 2019 22:08:26 GMT -5
It was a great series. Hopefully, they can build on the momentum. JBJ remains a huge concern and liability. How much longer can the team wait on him? Here’s the problem, who do you give his playing time to? The overall lack of MLB depth kind of forces them to wait it out with him. Rusney, obviously 🙄 Should I have italicized that? 😂
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Post by telson13 on May 1, 2019 22:10:52 GMT -5
Ambushed that fastball. Good to see Vaz finding a little bit of a power stroke. I’m happily chagrined at Vazquez making my calls to trade him look ill-advised.
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Post by telson13 on May 1, 2019 22:14:08 GMT -5
Also, my homey Marcus Walden just being generally awesome yet again warms my heart. He’s their 2nd-best reliever. Dude’s gonna be a big part of the ‘pen for a few years, imo. Still think they find another gem from this gaggle of arms they collected in the offseason. My money’s on Ellington, but it’ll be *someone*.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 1, 2019 22:27:03 GMT -5
Ambushed that fastball. Good to see Vaz finding a little bit of a power stroke. I’m happily chagrined at Vazquez making my calls to trade him look ill-advised. I think he's been figuring out the pitchers and the sequences they use. He was sitting on that fastball. Looks as if he can do more than go the other way. That will make it a little harder to pitch to him.
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Post by telson13 on May 1, 2019 22:33:29 GMT -5
I’m happily chagrined at Vazquez making my calls to trade him look ill-advised. I think he's been figuring out the pitchers and the sequences they use. He was sitting on that fastball. Looks as if he can do more than go the other way. That will make it a little harder to pitch to him. Very good point. That’s been a “thing” with the “new” hitting approach: selective aggression on drivable pitches. So yeah, if he keeps it up, he’ll become a bit more dangerous.
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Post by ericmvan on May 2, 2019 0:28:05 GMT -5
I’m happily chagrined at Vazquez making my calls to trade him look ill-advised. I think he's been figuring out the pitchers and the sequences they use. He was sitting on that fastball. Looks as if he can do more than go the other way. That will make it a little harder to pitch to him. In the post-season he and Leon were the only guys who didn't have a big split with RISP, which is to say, didn't seem to have a book on the pitchers' tendencies. My theory is that they were too busy prepping against the other team's hitters.
So your idea is consistent with that. And I've always thought that catchers had a chance to bloom late as hitters (Yadi, Pudge) because they literally saw hugely more pitches than anyone else. That has to help learn to identify spin.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2019 3:50:41 GMT -5
Glad we didn't just cut Workman like someone suggested. I mean, I wasn't the only person to think it was a possibility. Thornburg's looking good.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2019 3:56:00 GMT -5
Noted. (Fangraphs gave them a 47% chance of making the playoffs before today's win.) Odds are up to 58% now. Pretty glad they haven't traded Betts! It's going to be brought up a lot regardless. This season, this off-season, next season. If the Sox don't become sellers, then great, that's what everyone wanted. The Sox to be competitive all year. They weren't until recently. Either way, you have a stingy owner when it comes to spending a ton of money on contracts (Mookie is asking for 100 million more than David Price) and you have a superstar that isn't backing down from his asking price (turned down 100 and 200 million dollars from the Sox in 2 different off-seasons). It took Henry 13-15 years since he owned the team to spend on a contract larger than Manny Ramirez, just to put that into perspective. I don't have much faith in Henry to spend the money to keep Betts.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2019 3:58:51 GMT -5
For all the sturm und drang, I’d actually be nervous if I was a Rays or Yanks fan: Sox were as brutal as can be, but they didn’t put more distance on them. I am totally optimistic. In terms of baseball, this was the Sox coming out party. They need to keep up the pace, but now there's light at the end of the tunnel. What a day for Sox baseball.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 2, 2019 4:51:34 GMT -5
GagsterSportsStatman @mikegarrigan3 DeGrom,Kluber,Snell,Scherzer,Nola,Sale in '18 98-38, 2.27 ERA 0.940 WHIP (6 of 7 top CY vote getters)
Same 6 in '19 (as of 7 pm 5/1) 9-16 5.22 ERA 1.39 WHIP
5 of 6 pitch May 1st 27.3 IP 4.61 ERA 1.54 WHIP (that includes DeGrom's 7 IP, 0 ER)
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2019 8:06:34 GMT -5
Odds are up to 58% now. Pretty glad they haven't traded Betts! It's going to be brought up a lot regardless. This season, this off-season, next season. If the Sox don't become sellers, then great, that's what everyone wanted. The Sox to be competitive all year. They weren't until recently. Either way, you have a stingy owner when it comes to spending a ton of money on contracts (Mookie is asking for 100 million more than David Price) and you have a superstar that isn't backing down from his asking price (turned down 100 and 200 million dollars from the Sox in 2 different off-seasons). It took Henry 13-15 years since he owned the team to spend on a contract larger than Manny Ramirez, just to put that into perspective. I don't have much faith in Henry to spend the money to keep Betts. John Henry is stingy? That's a new take. What are every other owner in baseball?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 2, 2019 8:54:41 GMT -5
It's going to be brought up a lot regardless. This season, this off-season, next season. If the Sox don't become sellers, then great, that's what everyone wanted. The Sox to be competitive all year. They weren't until recently. Either way, you have a stingy owner when it comes to spending a ton of money on contracts (Mookie is asking for 100 million more than David Price) and you have a superstar that isn't backing down from his asking price (turned down 100 and 200 million dollars from the Sox in 2 different off-seasons). It took Henry 13-15 years since he owned the team to spend on a contract larger than Manny Ramirez, just to put that into perspective. I don't have much faith in Henry to spend the money to keep Betts. John Henry is stingy? That's a new take. What are every other owner in baseball?Pretty much the same.
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Post by jimed14 on May 2, 2019 9:25:59 GMT -5
John Henry is stingy? That's a new take. What are every other owner in baseball?Pretty much the same. Right, but I see it more as a relevant term. Compared to his peers, he isn't stingy. I'm sure Yankees fans wish their owners were as stingy as John Henry.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 2, 2019 10:23:09 GMT -5
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/7sq2j1/mlb_payroll_as_a_percentage_of_revenue_for_all_30/
That doesn't even include all of the NESN money and the Red Sox rank what top 5 in TV money?
We have a good owner, but he's never once gone wild spending like we've seen other teams do before. Looking at payroll vs revenue he's always been middle of the pack most years. We just have more revenue than most teams.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2019 10:50:24 GMT -5
It's going to be brought up a lot regardless. This season, this off-season, next season. If the Sox don't become sellers, then great, that's what everyone wanted. The Sox to be competitive all year. They weren't until recently. Either way, you have a stingy owner when it comes to spending a ton of money on contracts (Mookie is asking for 100 million more than David Price) and you have a superstar that isn't backing down from his asking price (turned down 100 and 200 million dollars from the Sox in 2 different off-seasons). It took Henry 13-15 years since he owned the team to spend on a contract larger than Manny Ramirez, just to put that into perspective. I don't have much faith in Henry to spend the money to keep Betts. John Henry is stingy? That's a new take. What are every other owner in baseball? Yes, he's very stingy. Dude's making bank and he got outbid for a lot of players in the past. His 5 most wealthiest contracts he has handed out when it comes to spending as a owner is JD Martinez, Adrian Gonzalez, Dice K, Crawford, and Price. You know what's the one comparable to all of these contracts besides Price? Every single contract is in the 100 million dollar range. Exactly the reason why I don't think they have much faith in the guy resigning Betts.
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Post by incandenza on May 2, 2019 10:56:16 GMT -5
This is a very strange turn in the conversation regarding a team that has had the highest payroll in MLB both this year and last.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 2, 2019 11:01:14 GMT -5
This is a very strange turn in the conversation regarding a team that has had the highest payroll in MLB both this year and last. Henry has owned the baseball team for almost 20 years and been the highest spender twice. Think about that. The rest of the league isn't spending like they did. It isn't strange at all. The Sox also did things like stay under the CBT in 2016 because they act the same way. Henry isn't doing anything out of the ordinary by being over the 2nd threshold, especially for a large market team. It has everything to do with why fans question whether Betts will be gone or not.
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