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4/29-5/1 Red Sox vs Athletics Series Thread
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Post by telson13 on Apr 29, 2019 23:34:40 GMT -5
Cue the raspberries:
Sonny Gray has been terrific for Cincy with nothing to show for it. 0-4 in 6 starts but with terrific peripherals, 11K/9, and a due-for-regression bad LOB rate under 60%. What say we move Porcello and get Gray?
Edit: this starting rotation needs a shake-up. I bet Cincy would flip Gray for Porcello if the Sox evened the salaries out and included a useful piece. I’ve never been a big Gray fan (I think he’s always been overrated), but he’s a legit 2. Of course, Cincy probably holds him to flip at the deadline, so idk how compelling an offer the Sox could/would make. But thinking of the A’s got me wondering what their erstwhile ace was up to.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 30, 2019 0:10:08 GMT -5
I tell you what. If the Sox activate Nunez and send Chavis down I am done watching them for the foreseeable future. Here's the tricky part. If Pedroia is healthy in the long run, then Nunez is completely expendable. But if Pedroia can't come back, then Nunez is still useful on your bench and Chavis is an a starting platoon with Holt.
And we have no idea yet about Pedroia.
You'd hate to send Chavis down to make room for Nunez, but you'd also hate to lose Nunez and then Pedroia and have Holt and Lin being completely redundant on the bench, with only Marco Hernandez as further infield depth.
It would be easier to dump Nunez if Brentz were raking rather than off to a terrible start. But right now there's no veteran type in AAA other than Rusney who's playing well enough to claim the last roster spot ahead of Lin if it were vacant.
What might work is this: when and if push comes to shove, DFA Nunez and convince him to accept the assignment to AAA by promising him to release him or select him in X days. The guess is that he'd rather stay with a club where he's a great fit in the clubhouse than go to a (probably less competitive) brand new club, and a month in AAA playing every day to get his swing tuned should be a reasonable price to pay to find out if there's a place here for him after all.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2019 1:59:47 GMT -5
I tell you what. If the Sox activate Nunez and send Chavis down I am done watching them for the foreseeable future. but you'd also hate to lose Nunez Chose your words carefully lol. I'd rather see the Sox reacquire Devin Marrero than to see Nunez again.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 30, 2019 3:26:18 GMT -5
but you'd also hate to lose Nunez Chose your words carefully lol. I'd rather see the Sox reacquire Devin Marrero than to see Nunez again. I wonder what shape Julio Lugo is in.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 30, 2019 4:05:45 GMT -5
Great tweet:
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats
Devers made 68% of routine plays as a rookie, he made 70% last season, he is making 76% this season. League average 3B makes 72%. His range is excellent. He's been -1 defensive run this season, so league average. People that want to move him off 3B are legitimately dumb.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2019 4:38:19 GMT -5
Great tweet: Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats Devers made 68% of routine plays as a rookie, he made 70% last season, he is making 76% this season. League average 3B makes 72%. His range is excellent. He's been -1 defensive run this season, so league average. People that want to move him off 3B are legitimately dumb. Lol I love soxstats, but there's a lot missing and hiding in that tweet. Wrote back to him twice too about the facts he was conveniently missing. Nice to have more information though. He goes off on some tangents sometimes. He thought the Sox were wasting Feltman by developing him this year in the minors. All of a sudden then boom, Feltman hits a small wall in AA, and no more Feltman tweets for a while and how he's being wasted in the minors anymore. I tweeted against him at the time saying how the Sox weren't "wasting bullets" in the minors and how development like back to back outings, gaining strength, building stamina is crucial before reaching the majors. Feltman needed to do that and develop at the same time and refine his delivery. Basic answer though is no one is dumb for talking about anything if they have a actual good point to make, even if you repeat it sometimes (my bad).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 30, 2019 4:51:34 GMT -5
Great tweet: Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats Devers made 68% of routine plays as a rookie, he made 70% last season, he is making 76% this season. League average 3B makes 72%. His range is excellent. He's been -1 defensive run this season, so league average. People that want to move him off 3B are legitimately dumb. Lol I love soxstats, but there's a lot missing and hiding in that tweet. Wrote back to him twice too. Nice to have more information though. He goes off on some tangents sometimes. He thought the Sox were wasting Feltman by developing him this year in the minors. All of a sudden then boom, Feltman hits a small wall in AA, and no more Feltman tweets for a while and how he's being wasted in the minors anymore. It's the tweet sentiment that makes it a great tweet and I agree with it 100%. Consider that Devers and Duran are the same age. Looking at Feltman, I don't see a wall but I don't want to go down that road one more time. He's doing fine in spite of numbers being posted by posters that aren't being reported anywhere else. No scout seems to have any worries with him. I've seen him pitch, I'm not at all concerned. Our bullpen doesn't need him right now so no need to add him to the 40 man but that doesn't have anything to do with what Feltman is doing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2019 4:59:14 GMT -5
Lol I love soxstats, but there's a lot missing and hiding in that tweet. Wrote back to him twice too. Nice to have more information though. He goes off on some tangents sometimes. He thought the Sox were wasting Feltman by developing him this year in the minors. All of a sudden then boom, Feltman hits a small wall in AA, and no more Feltman tweets for a while and how he's being wasted in the minors anymore. It's the tweet sentiment that makes it a great tweet and I agree with it 100%. Consider that Devers and Duran are the same age. Looking at Feltman, I don't see a wall but I don't want to go down that road one more time. He's doing fine in spite of numbers being posted by posters that aren't being reported anywhere else. No scout seems to have any worries with him. I've seen him pitch, I'm not at all concerned. Our bullpen doesn't need him right now so no need to add him to the 40 man but that doesn't have anything to do with what Feltman is doing. First part, I agree to disagree. Ths age is a huge part of the equation, but doesn't guarentee future development and improvement. Nick Castellanos was once a 21/22 year old 3rd baseman in MLB too. Now he's 27 year old RF. I think Feltman is going to be fine too. It was just the point I was making against him at the time. Feltman needed to grow and gain strength before becoming a major leaguer. He thought he needed to be in the majors right away.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 30, 2019 5:06:50 GMT -5
It's the tweet sentiment that makes it a great tweet and I agree with it 100%. Consider that Devers and Duran are the same age. Looking at Feltman, I don't see a wall but I don't want to go down that road one more time. He's doing fine in spite of numbers being posted by posters that aren't being reported anywhere else. No scout seems to have any worries with him. I've seen him pitch, I'm not at all concerned. Our bullpen doesn't need him right now so no need to add him to the 40 man but that doesn't have anything to do with what Feltman is doing. First part, I agree to disagree. Ths age is a huge part of the equation, but doesn't guarentee future development and improvement. Nick Castellanos was once a 21/22 year old 3rd baseman in MLB too. Now he's 27 year old RF. I think Feltman is going to be fine too. It was just the point I was making against him at the time I was arguing about. Feltman needed to grow and gain strength before becoming a major leaguer. I tend to be a non stats guy. From what I see with my eyes, he'll be a plus defender. That assumes the errors go down as he grows into the speed of the game. Feltman only needed to get past the year's control issue and to be actually needed before they burn service time. Part 1 happened, part 2 hasn't. The Sox aren't in a hole because of their bullpen.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 30, 2019 5:14:32 GMT -5
Meh, Feltman needed back to back outings, refine his delivery a bit, innings under his belt first. That's just my opinion on him this year and I certainly respect yours. Have a good one Phil.
PS- I hope Devers comes around if the Sox aren't thinking about the switch anytime soon. They aren't doing the switch this year for sure, and I certainly know that. The Sox have nothing behind him this year besides Chavis (Nunez doesn't count).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 30, 2019 5:27:59 GMT -5
Meh, Feltman needed back to back outings, refine his delivery a bit, innings under his belt first. That's just my opinion on him this year and I certainly respect yours. Have a good one Phil. PS- I hope Devers comes around if the Sox aren't thinking about the switch anytime soon. They aren't doing the switch this year for sure, and I certainly know that. The Sox have nothing behind him this year besides Chavis (Nunez doesn't count). The innings thing is more of a nature related issue. Portland has a lot of pitchers that need work.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 30, 2019 6:53:48 GMT -5
Hands up here - guilty, so guilty, of unreasonable expectations and being utterly spoiled. After last season, I told myself "that was just superb, whatever happens this year I will just sit back and watch and enjoy". But, yes, Sox fan since 1967 and looking at the roster and thinking "they can - should - just win it all again".
Meaning - this is a year we can afford to let Devers go through his growing pains, watch Chavis add excitement and be the future, watch the league adjust to Mookie, watch JBJ go through his annual ohfer. I am far less concerned (despite my histrionic comments in game threads) about our offense and defense - the starting pitching is what is (or was?) the real alarm point. Yet, slowly, that is coming around here and there....and the top of our pen has exceeded expectations.
So I am going to have a chat with myself again, try to relax, enjoy the playoff dance of the Celts and Bruins, and watch our team right the ship. There are signs. And Chavis is tremendously exciting to watch...and Raffi is always smiling.
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Post by huskies15 on Apr 30, 2019 8:11:16 GMT -5
Getting Sale figured out is the biggest concern for me. Everything else is due for some better results due to track record.
Get Sale righted and I'll feel a lot better.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 30, 2019 8:16:26 GMT -5
Getting Sale figured out is the biggest concern for me. Everything else is due for some better results due to track record. Get Sale righted and I'll feel a lot better. Hard to see a huge turnaround without Sale getting back to his old self. The other thing that hasn't popped up yet - because of the rainout is that #5 spot in the rotation. Had Brian Johnson been healthy they could have weathered the storm better but until Eovaldi comes back the options to pitch every 5th day aren't too appealing. Velazquez is still the best option. Maybe we see Shawaryn at some point, but he hasn't been overly impressive. His last outing he did keep runs off the board but his K/BB ratio was very backwards. Josh Smith is very fringy as is the Erasmo Ramirez. Not a lot of appealing options at all. They need Eovaldi back and effective almost as much as they need Sale to turn things around. At least the offense did some good things last night. The A's gave them plenty of opportunities with really bad defense and the Sox finally took advantage of it - the inning was kind of a page out of 2018, an opposition mistake followed by a string of hits. Another thing that would be helpful would be if guys like Devers and E-Rod can finally turn a corner and show consistency.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 30, 2019 12:18:31 GMT -5
You'd hate to send Chavis down to make room for Nunez, but you'd also hate to lose Nunez I for one would love to lose Nunez.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 30, 2019 12:34:03 GMT -5
I honestly don't see how you can afford to take Chavis' bat out of the lineup. Pearce and JBJ are hitting like pitchers. So were Nunez and Pedroia.
I'd expect something more like a phantom DL stint for Pearce.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 30, 2019 12:39:06 GMT -5
I've defended Nunez before, but you don't send down Chavis to keep Nunez. I've seen everything I need to see to know that is stupid. Like only reason to watch games right now. We suck, but Chavis looks great.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 30, 2019 13:04:21 GMT -5
Chris Davis has been unquestionably the worst player in baseball since the start of last year, but you could make an argument that Nunez has been the second worst. -1.8 bWAR, -1.0 fWAR in that time. A .280 OBP can't cut it, and his "versatility" that has been more a curse than a blessing because of Cora's willingness to play him at second base, a position he can't handle. You can't carry 13 pitchers and a bench of a backup first baseman, a backup catcher, and an Eduardo Nunez.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 30, 2019 13:26:48 GMT -5
A lot of this has to do with how close Nunez and Holt are, respectively. Ideally, the two moves would be a pitcher (Brewer or Velazquez) and Lin.
The other piece is how close Pedroia is. He's going to start a rehab assignment on Thursday. One hopes this one is longer than his last one. If all three get healthy, then Pearce or Nunez may be gone.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 30, 2019 13:37:19 GMT -5
I do think we'll see a phantom injury kind of thing for Pearce because I don't think he got enough spring training. I think writing him off after 39 ABs is kind of crazy, even as bad as he's been.
I think he just needs to get his timing down and play regularly for 10 days or so without the results impacting any major league games. Think once that happens we'll see a much more recognizable Steve Pearce.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 30, 2019 13:52:49 GMT -5
I do think we'll see a phantom injury kind of thing for Pearce because I don't think he got enough spring training. I think writing him off after 39 ABs is kind of crazy, even as bad as he's been. I think he just needs to get his timing down and play regularly for 10 days or so without the results impacting any major league games. Think once that happens we'll see a much more recognizable Steve Pearce. Normally I wouldn't make much of it, but when the team is this far down in the standings, they don't have a lot of time to waste on seeing if Pearce can get back to where he was last season. -0.7 fWAR and counting already with a 40% k rate. He has been way worse than Chris Davis and isn't even putting in competitive at bats. I mean if they really want to get him going, he should be batting 9th every game he plays until he hits at all. They could also DFA him and see if he'd accept a minor league assignment to get going again. No one would claim him obviously. He might benefit from doing a bunch of work in the batting cage and then some rehab games if it's a phantom DL. If Chavis gets sent down at all I'm going to be pissed as hell. I realize the league will be adjusting to him and he'll go through some growing pains, but sending him down now would be costing the team games. Chavis replacing Pearce is a full 1.1 wins already this season. (not that you can just add WAR like that, but it's a pretty big gap)
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 30, 2019 13:52:58 GMT -5
A lot of this has to do with how close Nunez and Holt are, respectively. Ideally, the two moves would be a pitcher (Brewer or Velazquez) and Lin. The other piece is how close Pedroia is. He's going to start a rehab assignment on Thursday. One hopes this one is longer than his last one. If all three get healthy, then Pearce or Nunez may be gone. I don't think there's any reality where they keep Nunez and move Pearce.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 30, 2019 14:04:46 GMT -5
Here's the thing I cannot help thinking about.
If Machado didn't take out Pedey's knee 2 years ago, then arguably, he'd still have a knee that allows him to play. Him playing last season would have made it so that Nunez would not have been on the team and we wouldn't have traded for Kinsler and still had Buttrey, who looks like exactly what the Red Sox need right now. So this season is all Machado's fault. /snark
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 30, 2019 14:13:14 GMT -5
bWAR by position, with MLB rank:
RP 1.3 (7) RF 1.2 (4)
SS 1.1 (11)
3B 0.6 (10) LF 0.3 (17) DH 0.1 (15) dragged down by Pearce 3 G, Pedroia 2, Moreland 2, Travis 1, Vazquez 1. JDM has less than 2/3 of the starts.
C 0.2 (20) but not accurate, I think
1B -0.1 (23) 2B -0.5 (26) despite Chavis' 6 games
SP -0.5 (30) CF -0.8 (30)
Three brain-bursting ideas:
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 30, 2019 15:17:15 GMT -5
Here's the thing I cannot help thinking about. If Machado didn't take out Pedey's knee 2 years ago, then arguably, he'd still have a knee that allows him to play. Him playing last season would have made it so that Nunez would not have been on the team and we wouldn't have traded for Kinsler and still had Buttrey, who looks like exactly what the Red Sox need right now. So this season is all Machado's fault. /snark the Nunez snark is deserved, but the play he made (and Pearce) to end game 4 of the ALDS was awesome.....that's it.
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