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Post by jodyreidnichols on May 3, 2019 23:30:40 GMT -5
I haven't posted here in years, something I once enjoyed but was discouraged to do. Did you ever experience a situation where you knew your were on to something but no matter how much common sense you shared with the masses, they just were not receptive? Well I have and on more than one occasion, the last time that occurred regarding baseball was with Dustin, the dirt dog the 'face of the organization'. When someone shares something you don't want to hear you have to be even more self aware and even more receptive. I made, to me, an obvious prediction that Dustin would not age well as a small player who literally had surgery (albeit during the off season in most cases) nearly every year of his career who played the game balls to the wall wether up 10 or down 10 in the ninth inning or not and who would certainly be worse off post 30 than before. My "cray" thought was to trade him now while most teams over valued him. Sound Logic, back then and not just now. I was ridiculed (yes woh is me) by 99% of the masses here including those in charge here, see my tag. People hate to admit when others are right even after the fact, get over yourself and let your intellect grow.
Well as Gomer Pile once said, "Surprise suprise, surprise". Yes, we are now dealing with the very situation that was painfully obvious to all those who did not bury their heads in the sand. We haven't seen more than one solid season since then, which at this point is about six years ago. Why do the masses get so upset when faced with obvious truths? Why do they ignore the obvious when confronted with such obvious evidence that when after the fact it's called self evident, when it actually was before too, yet it was not accepted? I truly struggle with this and the question is real. You can't make people take the red pill? People hate those they perceive as know it alls even though they are actually right?
If Pedrioa was traded back when I said we'd be way better of now with who knows what. Now the team is plugging a very promising bat, Chavis, into a position he's not meant for and regardless of what you believe, time has proven me beyond all doubt and ridicule so right that it can''t even be debated. I doubt nor expect an apology from anyone as I'm old enough now to realize that the masses don't rise to the occasion they just flow with the tide. That saddens me. Are you receptive to thoughts outside your own or not? If not why does this board even exist? I fear this message will end up a waste of my time but I had to try and it's less about the I told you so then to understand the why behind it.
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Post by mitro on May 3, 2019 23:57:35 GMT -5
You sound really, really upset about trade ideas from years ago. Sometimes predictions come true, that's why they're fun to make, but c'mon.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 4, 2019 3:53:16 GMT -5
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Post by gerry on May 4, 2019 5:01:38 GMT -5
You sound really, really upset about trade ideas from years ago. Sometimes predictions come true, that's why they're fun to make, but c'mon. Welcome back Jody. I first thought what you wrote should have been in italics, but then remembered you often being in the middle of one heated discussion or another, usually because you considered your views as infallible on matters of baseball as the Pope is supposed to be on matters of doctrine. You were, in fact, often right ... same as almost everyone on this board. I remember you were both intelligent and one of the most argumentative on this board, sometimes intolerably so. That’s alright, you aren’t alone there. For my part, Despite my education, accomplishments and obvious soohistication (see what it sounds like?) I have always enjoyed being a member of the masses, hoi polloi, great unwashed. When you think about it, that’s what we all really are, one big rough and tumble world community, and we are better off enjoying it than judging it; current socio-political situation excepted Re: the soul of this team, Pedey, there are many who would agree with you today. You and others were prescient about his future utility. Though I see the logic of your grand idea, and acknowledge the Sox could have traded him for someone good, I am so glad he is still on the team, in the clubhouse, in the dugout, working with the homegrowns Bogie and Devers and Lin and Chavis, lighting fires under and giving work ethic example to everyone. He will retire a Red Sox lifer and we are all better for that. If he can come back and finish out his contract as a part time Player, part time Ass’t Bench Coach and full time Mentor and Model, the team will benefit far beyond a trade piece or two. Perhaps he can play enough to burnish his HOF eligibility. Imagine in 2020-2021 how he can help the likes of Hernandez, Dalbec, Chatham, Ockimey, Duran, Flores adjust. He may not be 2007 Pedey, but 2017 Pedey will be enough for me. I hope you can respect my opinion. And I hope you return to the board, but without the angst please.
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Post by jimed14 on May 4, 2019 7:02:20 GMT -5
Baseball GMs can't hide their bad decisions, but no one remembers the stupid things that internet posters say that would have been terrible choices using hindsight. So I'm really not impressed with being "right" on one issue. Not even if I said it.
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Post by sdiaz1 on May 4, 2019 9:38:46 GMT -5
So when I saw this topic, I clicked on it thinking it would be a conversation about how fans, the media and MLB all treat and discuss players of color differently than white Americans ballplayers. Hell Dustin Pedroia is a great example as his passion is praised when his antics if done by a Dominacan or Cuban player are labeled show-boaty and against the culture of the game....
Instead, we are treated to this "I was right one time, I am a misunderstood genius" nonsense.
However, I will go take the bait.
Pedroia signed the extension with the Sox coming off a 5 win season. At the time of the deal he was near but not quite elite. The average player of his caliber was easily 5+ years and over 100 million dollars in the open market and he was 1 year away from Free Agency. The contract he signed bought out one year of a previous extension (with a modest raise of 2.5million for 2014) and basically was a 7 year, 98 million dollar contract. This was a below market deal and still would be in today's market as well.
Since signing that deal, he has only been worth 8 WAR which is a disappointment but not a catastrophe.
More importantly however is the fact that it is ethically dubious for an organization to sign a player to a team friendly contract and then to trade them when signs of a decline arise. Even if we put ethical questions aside, it makes striking future team friendly extensions more difficult.
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Post by malynn19 on May 4, 2019 10:28:00 GMT -5
Hello and Welcome back. Now to get to your post, it seems that you knew that Manny Machado (Funny that you did not mention this) was going to derail Pedey's career. Yeah Pedey is small and plays hard but this is (was) not the reason for this injury or for "not aging well". His last full season was great (2016) and the season he was hurt (2017) he was having a decent season with about 50 games left, so anything was possible. Glad you're back and about that apology, sorry but I just can't rise to the occasion...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 4, 2019 11:56:05 GMT -5
\You can't make people take the red pill? People hate those they perceive as know it alls even though they are actually right? Humility is the source of all wisdom.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on May 12, 2019 10:03:19 GMT -5
You sound really, really upset about trade ideas from years ago. Sometimes predictions come true, that's why they're fun to make, but c'mon. Welcome back Jody. I first thought what you wrote should have been in italics, but then remembered you often being in the middle of one heated discussion or another, usually because you considered your views as infallible on matters of baseball as the Pope is supposed to be on matters of doctrine. You were, in fact, often right ... same as almost everyone on this board. I remember you were both intelligent and one of the most argumentative on this board, sometimes intolerably so. That’s alright, you aren’t alone there. For my part, Despite my education, accomplishments and obvious soohistication (see what it sounds like?) I have always enjoyed being a member of the masses, hoi polloi, great unwashed. When you think about it, that’s what we all really are, one big rough and tumble world community, and we are better off enjoying it than judging it; current socio-political situation excepted Re: the soul of this team, Pedey, there are many who would agree with you today. You and others were prescient about his future utility. Though I see the logic of your grand idea, and acknowledge the Sox could have traded him for someone good, I am so glad he is still on the team, in the clubhouse, in the dugout, working with the homegrowns Bogie and Devers and Lin and Chavis, lighting fires under and giving work ethic example to everyone. He will retire a Red Sox lifer and we are all better for that. If he can come back and finish out his contract as a part time Player, part time Ass’t Bench Coach and full time Mentor and Model, the team will benefit far beyond a trade piece or two. Perhaps he can play enough to burnish his HOF eligibility. Imagine in 2020-2021 how he can help the likes of Hernandez, Dalbec, Chatham, Ockimey, Duran, Flores adjust. He may not be 2007 Pedey, but 2017 Pedey will be enough for me. I hope you can respect my opinion. And I hope you return to the board, but without the angst please. I don't see it as mutually exclusive of each other. The Sox could have traded him and still bring him back as a part of operations.
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Post by hammerhead on May 12, 2019 11:54:27 GMT -5
I remember at one time I proposed a trade that would have the Red Sox trade Matt Clement for Xavier Nady. Clement was off to a great start, but I knew it couldn't last. I suggested that the way he fell off the mound left his head susceptible to line drives. I was ridiculed by everyone, people called me names. It hurt my feelings and I was forced to reduce my posting and seek therapy. Today is a better day... I have started the Once I Was Right on an Internet Message Board ( more commonly known as OIWRONAIMB) Support group. I urge you to come to one of our meetings. We teach people that winning at the internet really doesn't mean as much as it often feels like.
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Post by soxjim on May 12, 2019 12:25:51 GMT -5
Is this thread for real? It cant be.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 12, 2019 13:41:37 GMT -5
Winning the internet means nothing. This wonderful discussion sandbox so nicely and generously provided to us is a great place to get excited, frustrated, cheer, or yell "get off my lawn". Despite the presence of the web way back machine, none of this drivel amounts to a hill of beans.
Go Sawx!! ( Or is it Socks?!) 😁
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 12, 2019 21:09:57 GMT -5
I haven't posted here in years, something I once enjoyed but was discouraged to do. Did you ever experience a situation where you knew your were on to something but no matter how much common sense you shared with the masses, they just were not receptive? Well I have and on more than one occasion, the last time that occurred regarding baseball was with Dustin, the dirt dog the 'face of the organization'. When someone shares something you don't want to hear you have to be even more self aware and even more receptive. I made, to me, an obvious prediction that Dustin would not age well as a small player who literally had surgery (albeit during the off season in most cases) nearly every year of his career who played the game balls to the wall wether up 10 or down 10 in the ninth inning or not and who would certainly be worse off post 30 than before. My "cray" thought was to trade him now while most teams over valued him. Sound Logic, back then and not just now. I was ridiculed (yes woh is me) by 99% of the masses here including those in charge here, see my tag. People hate to admit when others are right even after the fact, get over yourself and let your intellect grow. Well as Gomer Pile once said, "Surprise suprise, surprise". Yes, we are now dealing with the very situation that was painfully obvious to all those who did not bury their heads in the sand. We haven't seen more than one solid season since then, which at this point is about six years ago. Why do the masses get so upset when faced with obvious truths? Why do they ignore the obvious when confronted with such obvious evidence that when after the fact it's called self evident, when it actually was before too, yet it was not accepted? I truly struggle with this and the question is real. You can't make people take the red pill? People hate those they perceive as know it alls even though they are actually right? If Pedrioa was traded back when I said we'd be way better of now with who knows what. Now the team is plugging a very promising bat, Chavis, into a position he's not meant for and regardless of what you believe, time has proven me beyond all doubt and ridicule so right that it can''t even be debated. I doubt nor expect an apology from anyone as I'm old enough now to realize that the masses don't rise to the occasion they just flow with the tide. That saddens me. Are you receptive to thoughts outside your own or not? If not why does this board even exist? I fear this message will end up a waste of my time but I had to try and it's less about the I told you so then to understand the why behind it. And do you actually have the humility to post when you were wrong about something unless of course, you're always right about everything you post? You don't post in a long time (can't say I really noticed) and then suddenly you post to say, "Told ya so"? We all post things that come out prescient at times and ridiculous at other times.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 12, 2019 22:04:30 GMT -5
At least he kept his avatar, there's that.
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