mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Jul 3, 2019 7:52:56 GMT -5
I was just curious where the sentiment was on what the Sox should do. Lots of talk in lots of places, I want numbers!
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Post by jdb on Jul 3, 2019 8:13:45 GMT -5
I’m wait and see. See what we look like when Eovaldi and Hembree get back. See how Wright performs and how we do in the next few series vs some easier teams then the Dodger, TB and NY stretch. I don’t think I could get behind a big buy but maybe add a low cost pen arm and Jordan Lyles type 4th starter. Also if we’re out I don’t have an issue trading JDM given the uncertainty of his opt outs.
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 3, 2019 8:29:21 GMT -5
Wait and see. "Small buyers" option if we look good going into the deadline, "soft sell-off" if we seem to be falling out of it. I don't think this club merits doing anything too drastic in either direction.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 3, 2019 8:33:55 GMT -5
I know it's hypethetical, but in reality the only cost-controlled stud reliever in baseball is Josh Hader.
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Post by coachmac on Jul 3, 2019 8:34:08 GMT -5
I'm a combination of wait and begin a soft sell-off. However in the interim, with the exception of Devers and Bogaerts, I would listen on everyone. The soft sell-off could expand if I get overwhelmed by offers. I consder Benitendi,Chavis, Holt,Bradley,Moreland and any relief arm as available in a soft sell.
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 3, 2019 8:38:36 GMT -5
Because of DD's failure to make a trade for bullpen help 30 days ago they have no choice but to stick with who they have & see how they do over the next 15 games. If they can go at minimum 10 & 5 then you look & see where you are in the standings relative to the wild card vs Tampa Bay. If its promising, you make a deal. Weather that's for a SP or RP or both remains to be determined over the next 2 weeks as well. But DD needs to do his work & be ready to deal by/on the 21st. If they can't go a minimum of 10 & 5 there will be no deal to be made, just ride out the season with who they have & hope for the best (no sell off, not Pearce, Moreland, Nunez, Holt, Porcello, JD, Mookie, JBJ or anyone else). I'm hoping they go 15 & 0 & on the 21st they trade for Bumgarner & Smith.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 3, 2019 8:43:06 GMT -5
I know it's hypethetical, but in reality the only cost-controlled stud reliever in baseball is Josh Hader. Josh Hader would be a PR nightmare for a town desperate to shake a reputation. Edit: not that it matters since the Brewers are division leaders.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 3, 2019 8:49:34 GMT -5
As far as what this team should do, I think it's silly to discuss until they get closer to July 31st unless they just completely fall apart.
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Post by terriblehondo on Jul 3, 2019 9:17:56 GMT -5
I am for wait and see. But I think they have to give some serious consideration to moving Mookie if they don't think he is going to sign. I would hate to lose him after next year for just a draft pick.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 3, 2019 9:44:50 GMT -5
I know it's hypethetical, but in reality the only cost-controlled stud reliever in baseball is Josh Hader. Josh Hader would be a PR nightmare for a town desperate to shake a reputation. Edit: not that it matters since the Brewers are division leaders. Yeah, that second line is basically my point. Hader's the only person who qualifies and he's not getting traded. "Trade for a stud reliever" always sounds better on paper than any of the actual real-life available relievers.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 3, 2019 10:20:50 GMT -5
I'm comfortable getting a "4th best reliever in the bullpen for a #20 prospect type" now if you can, clearing a little infield logjam (Nunez) and gunning for the WC. I think if Mookie/JDM hit their stride and Sale holds up the team can obviously beat anyone anywhere in a single game, short series, etc. And if they don't it won't matter what happens with a 4th starter or 8th inning guy.
Also, I think the team still should get a bench outfielder. The roster management has been so strange this year, with so many pitchers but overuse of the top guys while others go stale.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 3, 2019 10:48:33 GMT -5
Small buyers, or I could possibly get on board with a larger acquisition if it's someone who would help in 2020 and beyond (aka Boyd).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 3, 2019 11:30:25 GMT -5
I go with small buyer which probably won't help a helluva lot.
I feel they need a closer. Giles is probably the best option out there although with the exception of how awesome he's been this year, I have never really trusted him. But Giles will cost more than the Sox should probably give up.
So my guess is they'll get a #4/5 type starter (a Doug Fister type), which they should get regardless of whether they get a closer or simply go with Eovaldi. I wouldn't think that would cost them anybody outside of their top 15 or 20, or I would hope not. A closer would probably cost 1 or 2 of their top 10, which might not be an affordable cost at this point.
That's probably what they should and will do, as much as I'd like to have a reliable closer.
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Post by patford on Jul 3, 2019 12:09:24 GMT -5
They should try to move Sale. His contract is an albatross. Even if the return wasn't much just getting rid of his contract would be a plus.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 3, 2019 12:25:42 GMT -5
They should try to move Sale. His contract is an albatross. Even if the return wasn't much just getting rid of his contract would be a plus. *blank stare*
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 3, 2019 12:53:06 GMT -5
I am for waiting and seeing.
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Post by patford on Jul 3, 2019 13:30:36 GMT -5
They should try to move Sale. His contract is an albatross. Even if the return wasn't much just getting rid of his contract would be a plus. Per Cot's Baseball contracts, the AAV (which I believe is what salary calculations are based on) for Sale's extension is $25M. Who do you propose to replace him with that would be better and/or cheaper? The record book documents that Sale wears down badly as a season moves along. That happens year after year with him.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 3, 2019 13:31:35 GMT -5
Per Cot's Baseball contracts, the AAV (which I believe is what salary calculations are based on) for Sale's extension is $25M. Who do you propose to replace him with that would be better and/or cheaper? The record book documents that Sale wears down badly as a season moves along. That happens year after year with him. And he's worth his contract after about a half season.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 3, 2019 14:29:38 GMT -5
They should try to move Sale. His contract is an albatross. Even if the return wasn't much just getting rid of his contract would be a plus. *blank stare* Root root root for the home team payroll efficiency.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 3, 2019 15:39:43 GMT -5
Per Cot's Baseball contracts, the AAV (which I believe is what salary calculations are based on) for Sale's extension is $25M. Who do you propose to replace him with that would be better and/or cheaper? The record book documents that Sale wears down badly as a season moves along. That happens year after year with him. Don't you think that's part of the reason why they tried to bring him along slowly in March/April? "Albatross" contract is an odd one too, like he's going to make $5m less per yr than Miggy Cabrera until 2023 at the earliest, he's going to make $6m less per yr than Kershaw for the next to years, $4m less than Cespedes will make next yr, and $3m less than Pujols for the next 2 yrs, and $13.5m less per year, than Strasburg until 2023. Sale, even with a his early starts and getting virtually no swinging strikes, is up to 8th in the mlb in swinging strike %, and have no doubts he'll finish in the top 5 by year's end. He's a bargin.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 3, 2019 15:49:50 GMT -5
Is someone confusing pitching wins with quality?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 3, 2019 15:53:59 GMT -5
The record book documents that Sale wears down badly as a season moves along. That happens year after year with him. Don't you think that's part of the reason why they tried to bring him along slowly in March/April? "Albatross" contract is an odd one too, like he's going to make $5m less per yr than Miggy Cabrera until 2023 at the earliest, he's going to make $6m less per yr than Kershaw for the next to years, $4m less than Cespedes will make next yr, and $3m less than Pujols for the next 2 yrs, and $13.5m less per year, than Strasburg until 2023. Sale, even with a his early starts and getting virtually no swinging strikes, is up to 8th in the mlb in swinging strike %, and have no doubts he'll finish in the top 5 by year's end. He's a bargin. What if the, "bringing in slowly" approach doesn't work and he struggles again in August/September? It's, at best, a wait and see.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 3, 2019 16:06:41 GMT -5
Don't you think that's part of the reason why they tried to bring him along slowly in March/April? "Albatross" contract is an odd one too, like he's going to make $5m less per yr than Miggy Cabrera until 2023 at the earliest, he's going to make $6m less per yr than Kershaw for the next to years, $4m less than Cespedes will make next yr, and $3m less than Pujols for the next 2 yrs, and $13.5m less per year, than Strasburg until 2023. Sale, even with a his early starts and getting virtually no swinging strikes, is up to 8th in the mlb in swinging strike %, and have no doubts he'll finish in the top 5 by year's end. He's a bargin. What if the, "bringing in slowly" approach doesn't work and he struggles again in August/September? It's, at best, a wait and see. Wait and see what? That the 2nd half thing is somewhat overblown b/c he's had multiple years with better August ERA's than May? Even for "as bad as he's pitched this year" he's got a 2.92 FIP and striking out at his normal rates. He's an elite SP, we don't need to twist ourselves into thinking otherwise.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 3, 2019 16:14:08 GMT -5
What if the, "bringing in slowly" approach doesn't work and he struggles again in August/September? It's, at best, a wait and see. Wait and see what? That the 2nd half thing is somewhat overblown b/c he's had multiple years with better August ERA's than May? Even for "as bad as he's pitched this year" he's got a 2.92 FIP and striking out at his normal rates. He's an elite SP, we don't need to twist ourselves into thinking otherwise. And since 4/23, here are his stats: 83 1/3 IP 57 H 19 BB (2.05/9) 134 K (14.47/9) 2.81 ERA 2.21 FIP 2.35 xFIP 2.51 SIERA What an albatross.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 3, 2019 16:28:42 GMT -5
Wait and see what? That the 2nd half thing is somewhat overblown b/c he's had multiple years with better August ERA's than May? Even for "as bad as he's pitched this year" he's got a 2.92 FIP and striking out at his normal rates. He's an elite SP, we don't need to twist ourselves into thinking otherwise. And since 4/23, here are his stats: 83 1/3 IP 57 H 19 BB (2.05/9) 134 K (14.47/9) 2.81 ERA 2.21 FIP 2.35 xFIP 2.51 SIERA What an albatross. But WINZ
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