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Post by station13 on Jul 6, 2019 14:44:01 GMT -5
I wonder if Cora will let Nunez manage the allstar game.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 6, 2019 14:51:03 GMT -5
The RS will probably make or not make the WC by a game or two. Every game is crucial. Giving two guys - including a DH - a day off two days before a four-day break is ridiculous.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2019 14:53:57 GMT -5
The RS will probably make or not make the WC by a game or two. Every game is crucial. Giving two guys - including a DH - a day off two days before a four-day break is ridiculous. I think Cora knows how much rest they need to play their best better than you do. |
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Post by coachmac on Jul 6, 2019 15:07:11 GMT -5
The RS will probably make or not make the WC by a game or two. Every game is crucial. Giving two guys - including a DH - a day off two days before a four-day break is ridiculous. JD has played back to back days in the outfield. Ridiculous is not a word I'd use to describe resting the two players who really won't be getting 4 days off. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 6, 2019 15:12:38 GMT -5
The RS will probably make or not make the WC by a game or two. Every game is crucial. Giving two guys - including a DH - a day off two days before a four-day break is ridiculous. I think Cora knows how much rest they need to play their best better than you do. I appreciate the snark but it makes for a better board if we actually discuss ideas, including those that are critical of the home team, not just dismiss any criticism as invalid because it didn't come from an MLB manager. I recall Don Zimmer once talking about conversations he'd have with Yaz the night before a DH. He'd ask him which game he wanted off and Yaz would say niether. The man was in his late 30s at the time and still playing LF. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 6, 2019 15:20:55 GMT -5
Hard to win consistently when you have to score at least 7 runs a game. Counterpoint: hard to lose consistently when you score at least 7 runs a game, which they've done in 13 of their last 20. Not coincidentally, they're 13-7 in those 20 games. The real test comes when the Sox face the Yankees and Rays 14 times in a row in late July, early August. |
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Post by incandenza on Jul 6, 2019 15:23:11 GMT -5
I think Cora knows how much rest they need to play their best better than you do. I appreciate the snark but it makes for a better board if we actually discuss ideas, including those that are critical of the home team, not just dismiss any criticism as invalid because it didn't come from an MLB manager. I recall Don Zimmer once talking about conversations he'd have with Yaz the night before a DH. He'd ask him which game he wanted off and Yaz would say niether. The man was in his late 30s at the time and still playing LF. Specifically, there are some issues where a manager might be too close to the team to make the best judgment. For instance, maybe Nunez is a super cool dude and it feels like he's helping the team despite being atrocious, just because he's one of those nice guys you like having around. Knowing him personally or being buddies with him might make one biased in his favor, whereas those of us on the outside have a much clearer picture of Nunez's profound awfulness as a baseball player. |
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 6, 2019 15:42:30 GMT -5
This is an important start for Porcello. It's easy to write off his London start as a jet lag thing but his previous start was his worst since his first two. He had averaged a .296 xwOBA, .274 wOBA over 11 starts and then threw up .411 / .363, and .640 / 1.038.
E-Rod had a similar slump -- .280 / .298 over 10 starts, then .356 / .353 over 4 starts before turning it back around in London. We don't want Porcello to struggle for another start or two before turning it around.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 6, 2019 15:47:05 GMT -5
The RS will probably make or not make the WC by a game or two. Every game is crucial. Giving two guys - including a DH - a day off two days before a four-day break is ridiculous. Weird s*** will have to happen for the Sox to not cruise into the WC home field advantage, enough that they can set their rotation up for the game. Their roster and underlying stats are hugely better than the other candidates other than the Rays, and clearly better than them.
Of course, weird s*** has been happening all year which is why you think it will continue, but my spreadsheet analysis of WSA (Weird S*** Added) indicates it has no predictive power unless your manager is John McNamara or Don Zimmer.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 6, 2019 15:54:34 GMT -5
Any estimate on first pitch time?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 6, 2019 16:02:13 GMT -5
Any estimate on first pitch time? |
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Post by jimoh on Jul 6, 2019 16:30:23 GMT -5
I think Cora knows how much rest they need to play their best better than you do. I appreciate the snark but it makes for a better board if we actually discuss ideas, including those that are critical of the home team, not just dismiss any criticism as invalid because it didn't come from an MLB manager. I recall Don Zimmer once talking about conversations he'd have with Yaz the night before a DH. He'd ask him which game he wanted off and Yaz would say niether. The man was in his late 30s at the time and still playing LF. Seriously? You cite Don Zimmer, the old-school peabrain who played his starting eight into the ground, in a discussion of how much rest people should get? What’s next? Herbert Hoover on economics? |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 6, 2019 16:39:00 GMT -5
I appreciate the snark but it makes for a better board if we actually discuss ideas, including those that are critical of the home team, not just dismiss any criticism as invalid because it didn't come from an MLB manager. I recall Don Zimmer once talking about conversations he'd have with Yaz the night before a DH. He'd ask him which game he wanted off and Yaz would say niether. The man was in his late 30s at the time and still playing LF. Seriously? You cite Don Zimmer, the old-school peabrain who played his starting eight into the ground, in a discussion of how much rest people should get? What’s next? Herbert Hoover on economics? |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 6, 2019 16:44:42 GMT -5
Seriously? You cite Don Zimmer, the old-school peabrain who played his starting eight into the ground, in a discussion of how much rest people should get? What’s next? Herbert Hoover on economics? Well that was the era when men were men....The pitchers threw 9 and the regulars played 154 games excepting a day off if mom died. There were no such things as injuries. You just put spit on it and toughed it out. |
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 6, 2019 17:02:27 GMT -5
During this rain delay I think it's essential to ask the question that has been plaguing Red Sox fans all season.
Who is the better bowler... Mookie Betts' or former sox pitcher John Burkett?
I know it's been bothering everybody, maybe during the delay we can delve deeper into this topic.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 6, 2019 17:04:18 GMT -5
I appreciate the snark but it makes for a better board if we actually discuss ideas, including those that are critical of the home team, not just dismiss any criticism as invalid because it didn't come from an MLB manager. I recall Don Zimmer once talking about conversations he'd have with Yaz the night before a DH. He'd ask him which game he wanted off and Yaz would say niether. The man was in his late 30s at the time and still playing LF. Seriously? You cite Don Zimmer, the old-school peabrain who played his starting eight into the ground, in a discussion of how much rest people should get? What’s next? Herbert Hoover on economics? Huh. I thought TearsIn04 was just citing Don Zimmer as an example of what dummies managers can be but now in re-reading it I'm not sure. Anyway, Don Zimmer is a good example of what dummies managers can be. |
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 6, 2019 17:20:40 GMT -5
long wait yet
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Post by tizzle on Jul 6, 2019 17:35:00 GMT -5
I don't get why Nunez needs a day off. Maybe worried about him getting hurt on a wet field?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2019 18:17:18 GMT -5
I think Cora knows how much rest they need to play their best better than you do. I appreciate the snark but it makes for a better board if we actually discuss ideas, including those that are critical of the home team, not just dismiss any criticism as invalid because it didn't come from an MLB manager. I recall Don Zimmer once talking about conversations he'd have with Yaz the night before a DH. He'd ask him which game he wanted off and Yaz would say niether. The man was in his late 30s at the time and still playing LF. Don Zimmer also started Carlton Fisk 157 games one year. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2019 18:21:38 GMT -5
Well that was the era when men were men....The pitchers threw 9 and the regulars played 154 games excepting a day off if mom died. There were no such things as injuries. You just put spit on it and toughed it out. And I guarantee they were playing at about 80% efficiency because they never got rest and were always completely worn out. NBA players used to play 82 games a year with about 5 minutes off per game too. NFL players played two ways and NHL goalies didn't even wear masks. All stupid things that I'm glad have been eliminated. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 6, 2019 18:26:24 GMT -5
Well that was the era when men were men....The pitchers threw 9 and the regulars played 154 games excepting a day off if mom died. There were no such things as injuries. You just put spit on it and toughed it out. And I guarantee they were playing at about 80% efficiency because they never got rest and were always completely worn out. NBA players used to play 82 games a year with about 5 minutes off per game too. NFL players played two ways and NHL goalies didn't even wear masks. All stupid things that I'm glad have been eliminated. Yeah, I was being sardonic big guy. Rest is vitally important over the season's course to perform at the highest level as a team. Yesteryear was yesteryear. |
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Post by Guidas on Jul 6, 2019 18:30:30 GMT -5
Well that was the era when men were men....The pitchers threw 9 and the regulars played 154 games excepting a day off if mom died. There were no such things as injuries. You just put spit on it and toughed it out. And I guarantee they were playing at about 80% efficiency because they never got rest and were always completely worn out. NBA players used to play 82 games a year with about 5 minutes off per game too. NFL players played two ways and NHL goalies didn't even wear masks. All stupid things that I'm glad have been eliminated. Or they were doing PEDs. Remember, they kept amphetamines in candy dishes in the clubhouse and there are players from the era saying steroids were already being used by many players. |
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Post by manfred on Jul 6, 2019 18:35:53 GMT -5
And I guarantee they were playing at about 80% efficiency because they never got rest and were always completely worn out. NBA players used to play 82 games a year with about 5 minutes off per game too. NFL players played two ways and NHL goalies didn't even wear masks. All stupid things that I'm glad have been eliminated. Or they were doing PEDs. Remember, they kept amphetamines in candy dishes in the clubhouse and there are players from the era saying steroids were already being used by many players. I wish the days of dishes of amphetamines in the workplace hadn’t gone by. Not all change is good. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 6, 2019 18:37:31 GMT -5
Seriously? You cite Don Zimmer, the old-school peabrain who played his starting eight into the ground, in a discussion of how much rest people should get? What’s next? Herbert Hoover on economics? Huh. I thought TearsIn04 was just citing Don Zimmer as an example of what dummies managers can be but now in re-reading it I'm not sure. Anyway, Don Zimmer is a good example of what dummies managers can be. Yeah, incandenza figured it out. I wouldn't cite Don Zimmer as a good source on anything except how to be an idiot. The point was about the other guy, Yaz, fighting to be in the lineup every day and still performing at a HOF level. Some of you may have heard of him. I love the posts about how JDM and X won't really be off for four days because they have the all-star game. JDM is likely to get in the game as a PH for one AB. X might get a couple of innings at most in the field and then they'll have two days off. And the game is in the Cleveland - about a 45-minute flight from Detroit, where they are now. This rain delay has to end, man. We're all getting way too bored and the posts are showing it. |
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Post by coachmac on Jul 6, 2019 18:42:17 GMT -5
Huh. I thought TearsIn04 was just citing Don Zimmer as an example of what dummies managers can be but now in re-reading it I'm not sure. Anyway, Don Zimmer is a good example of what dummies managers can be. Yeah, incandenza figured it out. I wouldn't cite Don Zimmer as a good source on anything except how to be an idiot. The point was about the other guy, Yaz, fighting to be in the lineup every day and still performing at a HOF level. Some of you may have heard of him. I love the posts about how JDM and X won't really be off for four days because they have the all-star game. JDM is likely to get in the game as a PH for one AB. X might get a couple of innings at most in the field and then they'll have two days off. And the game is in the Cleveland - about a 45-minute flight from Detroit, where they are now. This rain delay has to end, man. We're all getting way too bored and the posts are showing it. Your first stated that idea of resting Bogaerts and JD was ridiculous because they wete going to get 4 days off which was inaccurate. Of your last point that JD would pinchhit once is also inaccurate not that Pence is out. Sorry for pointing out your inaccuracies. |
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