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7/15-7/18 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by incandenza on Jul 16, 2019 21:36:31 GMT -5
Aww, triple, double, single - Hembree was on a good trend there. Next guy probably only woulda walked!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 16, 2019 21:37:00 GMT -5
Hmmm. Not feeling great about the comeback. Probably still on, but not looking good. Might just fall short.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 16, 2019 21:40:16 GMT -5
This team sucks and should be booed.
You can’t be this terrible at home and expect to make the playoffs.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 16, 2019 21:42:36 GMT -5
Ryan Weber is a guy they think is actual bullpen depth? lol
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 16, 2019 21:42:38 GMT -5
The pitching is easy to pick on - but...last night we scored in two innings, and not at all after the third. Aside from Xander's first inning homer, we scored in one inning tonight so far. 6 walks and 8 hits tonight and only 4 runs. 2 for 8 RISP against dog meat pitchers, 8 LOB.
To put it bluntly, we suck right now. Cora is searching for consistency - well, he has it - we are consistently pretty bad. Not ready for the Rays/MFY games, that's for sure.
This is a championship offense that is not playing at a championship level consistently. It is NOT a championship pitching staff.
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Post by station13 on Jul 16, 2019 21:46:37 GMT -5
Every night someone emerges from the pen blow up. Embarrassing this bullpen is a major league one.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 16, 2019 21:47:47 GMT -5
The pitching is easy to pick on - but... last night we scored in two innings, and not at all after the third. Aside from Xander's first inning homer, we scored in one inning tonight so far. 6 walks and 8 hits tonight and only 4 runs. 2 for 8 RISP against dog meat pitchers, 8 LOB. To put it bluntly, we suck right now. Cora is searching for consistency - well, he has it - we are consistently pretty bad. Not ready for the Rays/MFY games, that's for sure. "Last night we scored in two innings" is a heck of a gloss on a 10-run performance. Gonna be 17-10 in last 27 games, a 102-win pace. Leading the majors in runs scored.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 16, 2019 21:53:13 GMT -5
The pitching is easy to pick on - but... last night we scored in two innings, and not at all after the third. Aside from Xander's first inning homer, we scored in one inning tonight so far. 6 walks and 8 hits tonight and only 4 runs. 2 for 8 RISP against dog meat pitchers, 8 LOB. To put it bluntly, we suck right now. Cora is searching for consistency - well, he has it - we are consistently pretty bad. Not ready for the Rays/MFY games, that's for sure. "Last night we scored in two innings" is a heck of a gloss on a 10-run performance. Gonna be 17-10 in last 27 games, a 102-win pace. Leading the majors in runs scored. We barely won that one last night and were squandering runs left and right. And tonight's squanders are leading to a loss. Don't look at the stats...watch the games. As Cora has said many times, the stats are meaningless - it is the results. We are losing to bad teams and playing bad baseball. We are also playing really poorly at home.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 16, 2019 21:54:59 GMT -5
Xander is up to a 150 wRC+ after tonight's performance, wow! JD is down to a 126 wRC+, sigh.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 16, 2019 21:59:56 GMT -5
Listening to the WEEI post mortem - Castiglione et al - talking about once again it is a game that encapsulates many things that have been wrong all year. Bad starting pitching, bad clutch hitting, giving runs back right away after tying it up. Falling deeper into the hole against MFY and many of the WC teams.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 16, 2019 22:01:09 GMT -5
The pitching is easy to pick on - but... last night we scored in two innings, and not at all after the third. Aside from Xander's first inning homer, we scored in one inning tonight so far. 6 walks and 8 hits tonight and only 4 runs. 2 for 8 RISP against dog meat pitchers, 8 LOB. To put it bluntly, we suck right now. Cora is searching for consistency - well, he has it - we are consistently pretty bad. Not ready for the Rays/MFY games, that's for sure. "Last night we scored in two innings" is a heck of a gloss on a 10-run performance. Gonna be 17-10 in last 27 games, a 102-win pace. Leading the majors in runs scored. I assure you, if they keep playing like this during their 14 game gauntlet they won't be on a 102-pace. It's embarrassing that yesterday was even a game. Don't look now, but JBJ looks lost at the plate again.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 16, 2019 22:03:11 GMT -5
"Last night we scored in two innings" is a heck of a gloss on a 10-run performance. Gonna be 17-10 in last 27 games, a 102-win pace. Leading the majors in runs scored. We barely won that one last night and were squandering runs left and right. And tonight's squanders are leading to a loss. Don't look at the stats...watch the games. As Cora has said many times, the stats are meaningless - it is the results. We are losing to bad teams and playing bad baseball. We are also playing really poorly at home. I am watching the games and I am seeing us score a ton of runs and win most of our games. You know how I can prove it to you? By pointing to the stats. Look, it's not like everything's hunky-dory. The pitching is mediocre and the team started terribly which means that "winning most of our games" now may not be enough. But it just seems misplaced to blame the offense or say the team is playing bad baseball when overall they really aren't.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 16, 2019 22:11:08 GMT -5
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Post by beavertontim on Jul 16, 2019 22:16:00 GMT -5
My thoughts about the trade deadline have been re-enforced. Be a seller,not a buyer.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 16, 2019 22:18:09 GMT -5
Cora - grumpy today - "we need to get better soon". When is soon?
Once again I say that this team is exactly its record. 7 games over .500. Below .500 at home.
Another thing I've heard recently is that this year's Red Sox are the "summer Celtics".
I am moving toward being a seller as well.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2019 22:25:48 GMT -5
The pitching is easy to pick on - but... last night we scored in two innings, and not at all after the third. Aside from Xander's first inning homer, we scored in one inning tonight so far. 6 walks and 8 hits tonight and only 4 runs. 2 for 8 RISP against dog meat pitchers, 8 LOB. To put it bluntly, we suck right now. Cora is searching for consistency - well, he has it - we are consistently pretty bad. Not ready for the Rays/MFY games, that's for sure. "Last night we scored in two innings" is a heck of a gloss on a 10-run performance. Gonna be 17-10 in last 27 games, a 102-win pace. Leading the majors in runs scored. C'mon, that's cherry picking. How about the 68 games that preceded it? They count too. The Red Sox have nothing resembling a 102 win pace. The team, with the pitching they have, is not good enough to sustain a 102 win pace the rest of the season. If they did they'd have about 42 more wins or 93 which maybe/probably gets them into the playoffs. You can say they were 6-13 without spring training and have gone 45-32 since then. That's a more accurate depiction. The problem is even with that you can't erase 6-13, so playing around .580 ball with 67 games left gives them about 39 or 40 more wins which gives them about 90 to 91 wins which probably won't be enough to secure a playoff spot the way Cleveland, Oakland, and Tampa are playing.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2019 22:26:52 GMT -5
Cora - grumpy today - "we need to get better soon". When is soon? Once again I say that this team is exactly its record. 7 games over .500. Below .500 at home. Another thing I've heard recently is that this year's Red Sox are the "summer Celtics". I am moving toward being a seller as well. Sell what exactly? To get what value?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 16, 2019 22:30:27 GMT -5
I noticed it before the All-Star break. He's still injured. Probably bound for Tommy John surgery since he threw so hard and threw so many sliders.
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Post by itsdunkindonutstime on Jul 16, 2019 22:34:27 GMT -5
don't look now but angels are getting hot and maybe another team we will have to worry about for WC2 but at least Texas lost but Cleveland is winning and so are Oakland at the moment. so we could be losing ground after tonight.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2019 22:35:34 GMT -5
The pitching has been pretty bad this year, starting and relieving.
Cashner was less than impressive. It took all of one pitch to ruin the momentum the Sox had built up in the 4th inning coming back.
All year long it's been either the pitching puts the Sox in a hole and it puts pressure on the offense to come back or the Sox break out in front and the pitching immediately gives it right back.
Only David Price has been reliable in the rotation. Sale had one brief dominant stretch. Porcello has been awful. Eovaldi has been injured. E-Rod is inconsistent - I would like to think he's finally turning a corner - they desperately need him to, but who knows if he will continue doing what he's done his last several starts?
In the bullpen only Workman has been reliable consistently and you wonder when he'll finally start giving up hits so that the walks finally start hurting him? Beyond that you get stretches that give hope but then give to bouts of frustration. Barnes looked elite. Now he's batting practice. Brasier was a key guy. Now he's in AAA. Taylor or Brewer are now having their moments of hope after struggling. Hembree is back to struggling after a good stretch. They're now hoping that a guy with an ERA over 5 in AA and AAA ball can be an answer for them. And they still don't have an established go-to guy for a closer. It's really disorganized.
And it puts pressure on their offense to be perfect, but their offense is very boom or bust. They leave a lot of guys on. I understand it's a function of a positive asset, getting guys on base more often, but they don't do a very efficient job of cashing in. When they need a run, it's a struggle. Other times, the runs come in droves, when it really doesn't matter.
I want to believe in this team, but they make it really hard to believe that they're going to do anything positive this season. It's like this year is the anti-2018.
And if it is, so be it. Better that the law of averages bit them in the a$$ this year than in October of last year. I'd take that trade every day of the week. The law of averages always wins. It's just a matter of when.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 16, 2019 22:42:50 GMT -5
Cora - grumpy today - "we need to get better soon". When is soon? Once again I say that this team is exactly its record. 7 games over .500. Below .500 at home.Another thing I've heard recently is that this year's Red Sox are the "summer Celtics". I am moving toward being a seller as well. This is the worst way to double-count losses.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 16, 2019 22:45:43 GMT -5
Cora - grumpy today - "we need to get better soon". When is soon? Once again I say that this team is exactly its record. 7 games over .500. Below .500 at home.Another thing I've heard recently is that this year's Red Sox are the "summer Celtics". I am moving toward being a seller as well. This is the worst way to double-count losses. Who is double counting losses? I am saying exactly what our record is, and how poorly (which is really mystifying) that the team is playing at home. I am calling it like I see it - as always. What's the double count you refer to?
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Post by incandenza on Jul 16, 2019 23:37:14 GMT -5
"Last night we scored in two innings" is a heck of a gloss on a 10-run performance. Gonna be 17-10 in last 27 games, a 102-win pace. Leading the majors in runs scored. C'mon, that's cherry picking. How about the 68 games that preceded it? They count too. The Red Sox have nothing resembling a 102 win pace. The team, with the pitching they have, is not good enough to sustain a 102 win pace the rest of the season. If they did they'd have about 42 more wins or 93 which maybe/probably gets them into the playoffs. You can say they were 6-13 without spring training and have gone 45-32 since then. That's a more accurate depiction. The problem is even with that you can't erase 6-13, so playing around .580 ball with 67 games left gives them about 39 or 40 more wins which gives them about 90 to 91 wins which probably won't be enough to secure a playoff spot the way Cleveland, Oakland, and Tampa are playing. I have made exactly this comment like a dozen times - if you want to answer the question "how good is this team," look at their record since the 6-13 start. The reason I have made this comment a dozen times is because I keep seeing people say that this team is worse than that record would indicate, or that they've been mediocre all season or whatever. The rest of your paragraph is also stuff I've said a bunch of times, including the very last comment I made in this thread.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 16, 2019 23:38:47 GMT -5
Probably preaching to the converted here, but the issue is quite clear. With the starters just about incapable of going more than 5 or 6 innings, the pressure on the bullpen has been enormous. Hembree is just one card from the deck: three games in a row and he blew up. No one should be surprised. Brasier was on track for 76 games before they sent him off for a rest! This is a guy who had pitched a grand total of 43 major league innings prior to this year.
We can speculate all we want - smoothness of the ball, hangover from last season's playoffs, injuries, whatever. With the average game ratio of relievers to starters so high this will be a continuing problem.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 17, 2019 2:22:53 GMT -5
Probably preaching to the converted here, but the issue is quite clear. With the starters just about incapable of going more than 5 or 6 innings, the pressure on the bullpen has been enormous. Hembree is just one card from the deck: three games in a row and he blew up. No one should be surprised. Brasier was on track for 76 games before they sent him off for a rest! This is a guy who had pitched a grand total of 43 major league innings prior to this year. We can speculate all we want - smoothness of the ball, hangover from last season's playoffs, injuries, whatever. With the average game ratio of relievers to starters so high this will be a continuing problem. Exactly... When you're using four or five or eight relievers a night chances are one of them is not going to have it. Especially when you're doing that every night and the answer is to just rotate up AAAA pitchers and reclamation projects. They have a plethora of mop up guys who are being counted on to get important outs. So what's the solution? And if someone says, blow it up, start trading off guys, there's a million reasons why that isn't going to happen. Who are you going to trade? Porcello? Who would give anything of value for him with way he's pitching? Everyone else are viable parts of next years team. They are not going to wave the white flag on 2020 with such a small window ie aging Price, Sale, JDM etc. Contracts coming due with JBJ and Mr. Betts. The simplest way to address the bullpen is to put as much talent as they can back there and start defining some roles. There's still plenty of time to make a run. They're one nice winning streak away from making it a fun September and if that's the most we get fine.... We'll always have our memories of "18" the year we did damage.
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