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Post by orion09 on Sept 3, 2019 23:01:18 GMT -5
He really seems to have tightened up the shape of the slider since being called up, and his fastball command has been outstanding. He’s pitching like an absolute monster right now.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 3, 2019 23:27:29 GMT -5
I want to thank every last one of you for the high-quality complaints. It saves me the effort to do the same.
My complaints are somewhat different, but nobody is listening ... so your complaints will suffice.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 6:02:52 GMT -5
Good. At least Fenway isn't going soft after all this winning over the last 15-20 years. A lot of people felt like me last night. Offended by that performance. They said probably the same things I said.
Yes. At least you own it. Too bad you couldn't help the Sox at all this year at any point, all when they needed just *something* out of you.
Ouch.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 4, 2019 7:46:14 GMT -5
Just a few really headscratching comments in this thread. Porcello sucked - and has pretty much all year. We are fans first and foremost - and we can be harsh critics. Period. Porcello is making more in one year than most of us will in our lifetime. I think - I should hope - he can handle some mean commentary!!!!!!!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 4, 2019 9:23:34 GMT -5
Just a few really headscratching comments in this thread. Porcello sucked - and has pretty much all year. We are fans first and foremost - and we can be harsh critics. Period. Porcello is making more in one year than most of us will in our lifetime. I think - I should hope - he can handle some mean commentary!!!!!!! Criticism is certainly fair and certainly warranted. He has been horrendous this year. He's definitely one of the reasons they're not making the playoffs this year. And as far as the criticism goes, I agree - these guys make more money in one year than I would see in many, many lifetimes. They have zero concept at this point of what it's like to live paycheck to paycheck, so being critical of their work results is very much fair game. I just draw the line when it comes to personal insults. I don't think it matters what anybody is getting paid. It's inappropriate. I keep linking the results of the 2019 starting rotation to the overwork they had during October, or at least what I perceive to be overwork. I don't want to get into a back and forth on this, but I believe Cora used his starters in a very creative and innovative approach last season and because of it, it won the Red Sox a World Title. Other managers have certainly used starters as relievers during the post-season and at this point it would be negligent not to use starters in crucial post-season situations if it's warranted - still can't wrap my head around John McNamara NOT using Roger Clemens or Oil Can Boyd in Game 7 of the 1986 World Series instead of that awful bullpen he had - but then again John McNamara's decision making was doltish. I don't recall a manager using his starters in between starts as relievers on a regular basis as Cora did - by my count he used Porcello in that capacity twice, Eovaldi three times, but the fourth relief appearance took away his World Series start, Sale twice, and he had Price twice although he never did actually get into Game 4 of the ALCS as he was intensely warming up when Benintendi killed the Astros season with his catch. That's a lot of relieving in between starts. I believe this is linked to the Red Sox being unable to get the setup man they probably could have used last year - before the Nats pulled out of the Herrera deal - and who knows if Herrera injures himself had he been dealt to the Sox? So you use you starters a lot (something that perhaps if the Dodgers would have done, they could have won the Series instead of still hunting the big prize), try to compensate by not having spring training, and the starters are really messed up at this point. None of what Cora did was unreasonable. It did make logical sense and it did help them win the World Series, so this is not a critique of Cora - it's basically paying the piper for things done last year that enabled them to win - and I wouldn't trade a thing - even with the way 2019 has gone. Because it's more than the crappy starting pitching. The evidence stares you in the face everyday. Yesterday the Sox had the tying run on 2b with one out and Betts and Devers coming up. You can debate the bunt, but here's the main point. Two of the best hitters on the Sox and in all of baseball couldn't bring home the tying run when they needed that one run. That is THIS season in a nutshell. They don't get the big hits that often. They don't get the critical outs like they did last year. You know damn well last year the Twins wouldn't have beaten the Sox - Betts or Devers or even a Blake Swihart would have come through. Just not this year. The Sox made it obvious to me after the Rays and Yankees embarrassed them, that they're not going to be playing October baseball this season. It's just not their season. Everything lined up for them last year. Everything is lining up against them this year. It's been an uphill climb from the start. Getting back to Porcello - my point is that he's easy pickings for being dumped on, but last year when they needed him he came through - and like the rest of the staff other than E-Rod - the one starter not ridden heavily during the post-season, he did come through and he didn't come back the same as he was in 2018. That is not a personal failing. That's paying the price for the events of last year - and as much as I hate watching it in 2019, I still wouldn't trade 2018 for it. So that's why I don't have venom or anything toward any player. To me, anybody that contributed in 2018 is golden. I was quite happy to point out to my 6 year old that there was a World Series banner flying overhead in the CF bleachers, something that I never saw as a kid. I told him to remember that flag, because who knows when we'll ever see one again? I hope I see another one in my lifetime, but it's not guaranteed.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 4, 2019 9:57:23 GMT -5
Just a few really headscratching comments in this thread. Porcello sucked - and has pretty much all year. We are fans first and foremost - and we can be harsh critics. Period. Porcello is making more in one year than most of us will in our lifetime. I think - I should hope - he can handle some mean commentary!!!!!!!Ok, but he's not the one who has to handle it. He doesn't read these threads. It's not super enjoyable to read a ton of super negative, hostile posts. Particularly when they're so minimally insightful -- Porcello's been bad this year. Yeah, I was aware of that. LOL what a effort by Porcello in the middle of a wild card race. Get rid of this bum. I don't really understand how you can look at a guy who's clearly not having the season he wants to have or thinks he should be having, and respond with anger. Like why kick a guy when he's down? And yes, I'm aware that he gets paid a lot to do this.
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Post by coachmac on Sept 4, 2019 10:41:08 GMT -5
Resorting to caling Porcello names is baseless, unwarranted and classless. Porcello has been praised as one of the leaders of the pitching staff and the team since his arrival. Everyone who has had contact with Porcello has extolled his work ethic,leadership and being a great teammate. Despite not having his best stuff this year he's taken the ball and given the Sox everything he had.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 4, 2019 13:29:58 GMT -5
Not to worry.
Sox now have a 17-man bullpen. And former bench player Cora & strategist LaVangie are masters at handling complex bullpen situations.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 4, 2019 14:22:16 GMT -5
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 4, 2019 14:24:02 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 14:34:51 GMT -5
Just a few really headscratching comments in this thread. Porcello sucked - and has pretty much all year. We are fans first and foremost - and we can be harsh critics. Period. Porcello is making more in one year than most of us will in our lifetime. I think - I should hope - he can handle some mean commentary!!!!!!!Ok, but he's not the one who has to handle it. He doesn't read these threads. It's not super enjoyable to read a ton of super negative, hostile posts. Particularly when they're so minimally insightful -- Porcello's been bad this year. Yeah, I was aware of that. LOL what a effort by Porcello in the middle of a wild card race. Get rid of this bum. I don't really understand how you can look at a guy who's clearly not having the season he wants to have or thinks he should be having, and respond with anger. Like why kick a guy when he's down? And yes, I'm aware that he gets paid a lot to do this. There's a park full of people doing the same exact thing last night. It was deserved. Guy is one of the single reasons why the Sox won't make the postseason. He'll move on from it. No big deal. That's the best part of Fenway. They can get hostile when they need to. They can come up with a creative mock chant against the other team a lot. It's really pure and great emotion coming from that crowd.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 15:11:48 GMT -5
Resorting to caling Porcello names is baseless, unwarranted and classless. Porcello has been praised as one of the leaders of the pitching staff and the team since his arrival. Everyone who has had contact with Porcello has extolled his work ethic,leadership and being a great teammate. Despite not having his best stuff this year he's taken the ball and given the Sox everything he had. Time to give that ball to someone else. He's failed and he knows it. Agree to disagree on the name calling. If that's the worst part that comes out of this, then Porcello has lived a great life and had a lot to talk about in his post career.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 4, 2019 17:10:29 GMT -5
Ok, but he's not the one who has to handle it. He doesn't read these threads. It's not super enjoyable to read a ton of super negative, hostile posts. Particularly when they're so minimally insightful -- Porcello's been bad this year. Yeah, I was aware of that. I don't really understand how you can look at a guy who's clearly not having the season he wants to have or thinks he should be having, and respond with anger. Like why kick a guy when he's down? And yes, I'm aware that he gets paid a lot to do this. There's a park full of people doing the same exact thing last night. It was deserved. Guy is one of the single reasons why the Sox won't make the postseason. He'll move on from it. No big deal. That's the best part of Fenway. They can get hostile when they need to. They can come up with a creative mock chant against the other team a lot. It's really pure and great emotion coming from that crowd. See, it's not just me? 8 likes on FTHW's post. You may not care about shitting on the board, but that's what it is and people other than me don't like it either. That's pretty lame that you don't care about anyone else's enjoyment but your own.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 18:26:11 GMT -5
There's a park full of people doing the same exact thing last night. It was deserved. Guy is one of the single reasons why the Sox won't make the postseason. He'll move on from it. No big deal. That's the best part of Fenway. They can get hostile when they need to. They can come up with a creative mock chant against the other team a lot. It's really pure and great emotion coming from that crowd. See, it's not just me? 8 likes on FTHW's post. You may not care about shitting on the board, but that's what it is and people other than me don't like it either. That's pretty lame that you don't care about anyone else's enjoyment but your own. Why would I care about other's think about the clear reactionary posts from myself? There was a Park full of people agreeing with me last night. It was a clear fan reaction in the moment, with no intent behind it. There may be a large majority that don't agree with me on here, but there's a large majority that agrees with me out there.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 4, 2019 18:53:33 GMT -5
Present and accounted for !! It ain't over yet....at least mathematically. Can Erod give us that great start that we desperately need ?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 4, 2019 19:06:48 GMT -5
Nice start !!!
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Post by cutz on Sept 4, 2019 19:07:09 GMT -5
Mookie !
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 4, 2019 19:07:39 GMT -5
See, it's not just me? 8 likes on FTHW's post. You may not care about shitting on the board, but that's what it is and people other than me don't like it either. That's pretty lame that you don't care about anyone else's enjoyment but your own. Why would I care about other's think about the clear reactionary posts from myself? There was a Park full of people agreeing with me last night. It was a clear fan reaction in the moment, with no intent behind it. There may be a large majority that don't agree with me on here, but there's a large majority that agrees with me out there. Clearly you don't care about others on this board. Why would you? You would if you're a decent human being? You should be complaining on Felger and Mazz or joining the drunk idiots at Fenway. This board had a higher standard before you got here.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 4, 2019 19:13:28 GMT -5
I hope people don't complain about not being able to hit against Berrios, because he has about the nastiest stuff in the AL. I'm already amazed that they have a run and 2 hits.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 19:23:50 GMT -5
Why would I care about other's think about the clear reactionary posts from myself? There was a Park full of people agreeing with me last night. It was a clear fan reaction in the moment, with no intent behind it. There may be a large majority that don't agree with me on here, but there's a large majority that agrees with me out there. Clearly you don't care about others on this board. Why would you? You would if you're a decent human being? You should be complaining on Felger and Mazz or joining the drunk idiots at Fenway. This board had a higher standard before you got here. LOL at your standards and how and where to tell people how to react and what to say. Constantly bashing people because they're critical and negative in any way. You can be a decent human being and still not care about what others think of what you have to say. I wish Porcello nothing but the best for himself and his family moving forward. No intent beyond the baseball performing part last night and this whole season.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 4, 2019 19:28:11 GMT -5
Clearly you don't care about others on this board. Why would you? You would if you're a decent human being? You should be complaining on Felger and Mazz or joining the drunk idiots at Fenway. This board had a higher standard before you got here. LOL at your standards and how and where to tell people how to react and what to say. Constantly bashing people because they're critical and negative in any way. You can be a decent human being and still not care about what others think of what you have to say. I wish Porcello nothing but the best for himself and his family moving forward. No intent beyond the baseball performing part last night and this whole season. 8 people liked the post complaining about you being overly negative and you don't give a shit about any of them. This isn't just me.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 19:31:19 GMT -5
LOL at your standards and how and where to tell people how to react and what to say. Constantly bashing people because they're critical and negative in any way. You can be a decent human being and still not care about what others think of what you have to say. I wish Porcello nothing but the best for himself and his family moving forward. No intent beyond the baseball performing part last night and this whole season. 8 people liked the post complaining about you being overly negative and you don't give a shit about any of them. This isn't just me. Wonderful.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 4, 2019 19:35:37 GMT -5
See, it's not just me? 8 likes on FTHW's post. You may not care about shitting on the board, but that's what it is and people other than me don't like it either. That's pretty lame that you don't care about anyone else's enjoyment but your own. Why would I care about other's think about a clear reactionary posts from myself? There was a Park full of people agreeing with me last night. It was a clear fan reaction in the moment, with no intent behind it. There may be a large majority that don't agree with me on here, but there's a large majority that agrees with me out there. Honestly, they're professional athletes. They likely don't read these boards and clearly fans are merely just upset over their performance. On a personal level, I like Porcello. He seems like a nice guy and looks like he's trying and cares. This year, he sucks. He's absolute garbage on the mound and I'd rather see a one in a million chance that a AAAA arm catches fire than the zero percent chance that is Rick Porcello. I don't see the need to attack him personally, but I don't see the need to get offended by it either. Loser just seems harsh when he had a Cy Young season and a very good season in which he was instrumental for a ring.
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Post by cutz on Sept 4, 2019 19:36:22 GMT -5
Mookie !!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 4, 2019 19:36:25 GMT -5
Have a game already, Mookie.
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