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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 3, 2020 10:15:44 GMT -5
To be clear, they did something interesting in this one. There's a rumor the O's at #2 will try to go well under slot to spread more of that money to their pick at #30, so here, they're taking Veen. The exercise is to see what that would do to the rest of the first round (they essentially say up top that they're likely not going to have Veen to the O's in the final mock). Of course, all that for the Sox to wind up with the same guy. <shrug>
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Post by soxfan101 on Jun 3, 2020 11:51:56 GMT -5
How does Abel compare to Kopech when Kopech was in HS?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 3, 2020 15:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jun 3, 2020 15:50:41 GMT -5
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Post by soxfan101 on Jun 3, 2020 18:11:26 GMT -5
Thanks. Seems like they have similar stuff coming out of HS but Abel has more repeatable mechanics. Perfect game did a comparison of Abel and Buehler and Abel both as Hs seniors, obviously Abel has a ways to go before he’s a big league ace but Abels size. Stuff and mechanics are really good starting points for a very good big league pitcher.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 3, 2020 19:11:44 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 4, 2020 10:48:51 GMT -5
Amazing how without anybody playing at all, Hendrick is now suddenly in play for Sox at 17 after initially pegged in the top 10. Any thoughts on Hendrick guys?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 4, 2020 12:21:40 GMT -5
I did a thing. Check it out.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2020 12:28:04 GMT -5
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Post by soxfan101 on Jun 4, 2020 12:53:46 GMT -5
Someone’s gonna be right someone’s gonna be wrong I guess we will find out
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Post by mobaz on Jun 4, 2020 13:07:38 GMT -5
Someone’s gonna be right someone’s gonna be wrong I guess we will find out Two-way HS prospect who has taken a few college classes coming...
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Post by soxfan101 on Jun 4, 2020 13:12:29 GMT -5
Someone’s gonna be right someone’s gonna be wrong I guess we will find out Two-way HS prospect who has taken a few college classes coming... Who is that?
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Post by texs31 on Jun 4, 2020 13:16:42 GMT -5
Think it was a joke.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 4, 2020 13:21:46 GMT -5
Someone’s gonna be right someone’s gonna be wrong I guess we will find out Definitely looking forward to updated mocks early next week. To date, many of them have included more speculation and less intel (especially in the back 1/2 of the round). I haven't gone back to look but I don't recall seeing a lot of "Sox are connected to Mick Abel" write-ups in the mocks. So it very easily could just be connecting the dots. So maybe they are hearing that the Sox are looking at high upside, high-school guys; he'd be the highest one available . . . Bob's your uncle(I think I used that right).
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Post by soxfan101 on Jun 4, 2020 13:32:48 GMT -5
Red Sox have been connected to talented HS players with lots of upside but if Garrett Mitchell is there I wonder if they take him. They have had success taking college outfielders, Benintendi and Ellsbury and maybe they see Mitchell being similar that he goes through the minors pretty quickly and maybe he’s not a great, great player but a good everyday major league player that makes an All Star Game here and there
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Post by kman22 on Jun 4, 2020 16:04:38 GMT -5
0 chance of them taking a prep arm would eliminate Abel, Bitsko, and Kelley.
Surprised that he's that confident with of the speculation around high ceiling prep arms.
I hope that he's wrong.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 4, 2020 16:54:26 GMT -5
Keith’s mock is little different than MLB and Baseball America and the few that spin off from what those two sites....Keith sticks to his guns that’s for sure...should see what he says about Crotchet who he dismisses as first round material. Still to say the Red Sox unequivocally pass on Able or Bitsko if they make it to 17...well. Also Chris props for the Covid beard you sport in the above link and if the Red Sox pick Abel you owe me Bodos. I want a sandwich and a ceaser.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2020 17:25:23 GMT -5
If Keith knows something we don't and Hassell isn't available at #17, I see PCA as the most likely pick at this point. He checks too many boxes: upside, Team USA performance (he raked as both an underclassman and a senior), position player (carrying less risk than HS arm), makeup, intangibles...
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 4, 2020 18:24:13 GMT -5
I do wonder if there's a bit of "Abel won't get to 17" in that answer because I am okay with passing on Bitsko for a guy like PCA or Hassell and I'm not big on Kelley but I'd be pretty bummed to pass on Abel barring someone falling.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 4, 2020 18:31:44 GMT -5
True, and the reports that he looked stronger this spring and was starting to turn on balls, which if true really kinda answered his only glaring weakness. I wonder if they would consider Hendrick...
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jun 4, 2020 21:36:44 GMT -5
I originally was hoping for Abel but the more I think about it, the more confident I think they lean toward a higher ceiling hitter with that first pick. Without a 2nd round pick, I don't think they choose a high-risk high school pitcher and this year's draft is deep in college arms. Guys I'd be happy with that could be available in that range include (in order of preference): Robert Hassell, Garrett Mitchell, Crow-Armstrong, Hendrick, Soderstrom, and Howard. Abel or Bitsko are too high risk in a shortened 5 round draft without a second pick. Out of those hitters which do you guys prefer?
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Post by soxfan101 on Jun 4, 2020 22:01:08 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if they draft Soderstrom if they keep him at Catcher or move him somewhere else in the field.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 4, 2020 22:24:42 GMT -5
I’m surprised that Cade Cavalli isn’t linked to the Red Sox at all. He’s mentioned in and around the 17 range. He’s certainly a high reward pick. Fangraphs and Keith kinda love the guy. He also fits with the recent Red Sox trend of picking college relievers turned starters (granted the transition was his sophomore year). First year he stopped trying to hit. Fangraphs have him at exactly 17 and I wonder where Keith will rank him tomorrow.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 5, 2020 8:57:25 GMT -5
Keith’s mock is little different than MLB and Baseball America and the few that spin off from what those two sites....Keith sticks to his guns that’s for sure...should see what he says about Crotchet who he dismisses as first round material. Still to say the Red Sox unequivocally pass on Able or Bitsko if they make it to 17...well. Also Chris props for the Covid beard you sport in the above link and if the Red Sox pick Abel you owe me Bodos. I want a sandwich and a ceaser. Yeah that's definitely Law. He takes a position and sticks with it, and I think he does so sincerely, not just to be contrarian. The beard part is easy, but thanks. And I would buy anyone on this Forum Bodo's in a heartbeat. Man I miss that place. Will be interesting to see if they draft Soderstrom if they keep him at Catcher or move him somewhere else in the field. The sense that I've gotten from reading about him isn't that he's a butcher back there or anything, and I'm not sure he's got a Bryce Harper or Wil Myers-level bat where you just get him off the position so he can get to the majors because of his bat. But I could be wrong. I’m surprised that Cade Cavalli isn’t linked to the Red Sox at all. He’s mentioned in and around the 17 range. He’s certainly a high reward pick. Fangraphs and Keith kinda love the guy. He also fits with the recent Red Sox trend of picking college relievers turned starters (granted the transition was his sophomore year). First year he stopped trying to hit. Fangraphs have him at exactly 17 and I wonder where Keith will rank him tomorrow. I feel like he got mocked to them in one of the early drafts by one of the B-tier sites. Does anyone else remember this or am I making it up?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 5, 2020 10:21:19 GMT -5
Keith’s mock is little different than MLB and Baseball America and the few that spin off from what those two sites....Keith sticks to his guns that’s for sure...should see what he says about Crotchet who he dismisses as first round material. Still to say the Red Sox unequivocally pass on Able or Bitsko if they make it to 17...well. Also Chris props for the Covid beard you sport in the above link and if the Red Sox pick Abel you owe me Bodos. I want a sandwich and a ceaser. Yeah that's definitely Law. He takes a position and sticks with it, and I think he does so sincerely, not just to be contrarian. The beard part is easy, but thanks. And I would buy anyone on this Forum Bodo's in a heartbeat. Man I miss that place. Will be interesting to see if they draft Soderstrom if they keep him at Catcher or move him somewhere else in the field. The sense that I've gotten from reading about him isn't that he's a butcher back there or anything, and I'm not sure he's got a Bryce Harper or Wil Myers-level bat where you just get him off the position so he can get to the majors because of his bat. But I could be wrong. I’m surprised that Cade Cavalli isn’t linked to the Red Sox at all. He’s mentioned in and around the 17 range. He’s certainly a high reward pick. Fangraphs and Keith kinda love the guy. He also fits with the recent Red Sox trend of picking college relievers turned starters (granted the transition was his sophomore year). First year he stopped trying to hit. Fangraphs have him at exactly 17 and I wonder where Keith will rank him tomorrow. I feel like he got mocked to them in one of the early drafts by one of the B-tier sites. Does anyone else remember this or am I making it up? I remember McMahon popping up but not Cavalli.
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