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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 20, 2020 15:53:35 GMT -5
My bad. I had it upside down in my head. I'm a weenie also!
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Post by orion09 on Mar 20, 2020 16:26:08 GMT -5
Why would prorated service time be bad for the players? That's good for the players... No, it's bad for the players if the alternative is a full season of service time counted.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 21, 2020 11:43:26 GMT -5
Why would prorated service time be bad for the players? That's good for the players... No, it's bad for the players if the alternative is a full season of service time counted. Why should they get a year of service time if they don't play though? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Who even gets it? Does each team designate 26 guys to get a year of service time? Players on the fringes of the roster would either wind up catching a windfall or getting completely screwed. I don't see "everyone gets a year of service time" as a viable option at all, which is why I see doing pro-rated service time as the most player-friendly viable option. Now, if they don't play at all, that opens up its own can of worms. Maybe that could be better in the long run in helping to push baseball away from its current pay structure entirely.
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Post by foreverred9 on Mar 21, 2020 20:03:20 GMT -5
Speaking of a can of worms, if teams enact the act of god/force majeure clause to avoid paying contracts, does that void the contract entirely? And if so, in theory would that make all the players free agents?
I assume MLB and MLBPA will come to an agreement on how to deal with cash flows and contracts well before it gets to this point though.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 21, 2020 20:24:00 GMT -5
That's a pretty big hammer. If the season is cancelled, the owners should pretty much be able to get whatever they want.
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Post by gerry on Mar 22, 2020 2:44:21 GMT -5
That's a pretty big hammer. If the season is cancelled, the owners should pretty much be able to get whatever they want. Let’s hope the owners and MLB don’t try to take advantage of this disaster at the expense of players and fans. What a PR disaster. Both will revolt and the owners and league will hurt. This is not the good old days of passivity and acceptance ... at least for the majority of frustrated citizens.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 22, 2020 7:07:35 GMT -5
LOL, anymore, I'm just wondering when I'll get my MLB.TV and MiLB.TV refunded. Now I wish I didn't buy a year subscription to the Athletic.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 22, 2020 9:20:08 GMT -5
Speaking of a can of worms, if teams enact the act of god/force majeure clause to avoid paying contracts, does that void the contract entirely? And if so, in theory would that make all the players free agents? I assume MLB and MLBPA will come to an agreement on how to deal with cash flows and contracts well before it gets to this point though. No, the clause just says that the team doesn't need to pay the uniformed employee while there are no games. It specifically says that the contract remains in effect for its full term.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 24, 2020 13:11:03 GMT -5
Of course everything comes with major caveats right now (e.g, Will we have a draft? We will have 1st or 2nd round picks?)....but here's a fresh mock draft from Prospects Live through Round 2: #17: Garrett Crochet, LHP, Tennessee #52: Chris McMahon, RHP, Miami
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 24, 2020 16:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 25, 2020 8:57:10 GMT -5
Of course everything comes with major caveats right now (e.g, Will we have a draft? We will have 1st or 2nd round picks?)....but here's a fresh mock draft from Prospects Live through Round 2: #17: Garrett Crochet, LHP, Tennessee #52: Chris McMahon, RHP, Miami Crochet sounds like Chris Sale 2.0.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 25, 2020 10:29:42 GMT -5
Call it irrational, but I hate that kid's stance and swing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 25, 2020 11:18:09 GMT -5
Call it irrational, but I hate that kid's stance and swing. There's weirdness before the pitch, but he gets his hands in a good place to hit by the time the pitch is thrown, so whatever imo. I do wonder if the leg lift will be able to stay as pronounced.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 25, 2020 12:14:57 GMT -5
There's a lot of busyness that I think could be cut down, for sure. He's in good hitting position when he sets, but I agree you might try to quiet that down as long as you can do it without messing up the timing.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 26, 2020 11:00:39 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 26, 2020 11:51:09 GMT -5
The question becomes what happens with all of the free agents this creates (or does it?). Is there a cap? What is the cap?
I said on the podcast we recorded last night this week be a big test of teams' scouting departments, and that's even moreso if there is a mad scramble for UDFAs.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 26, 2020 12:10:09 GMT -5
The question becomes what happens with all of the free agents this creates (or does it?). Is there a cap? What is the cap? I said on the podcast we recorded last night this week be a big test of teams' scouting departments, and that's even moreso if there is a mad scramble for UDFAs. Nothing official, but....
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 26, 2020 14:27:39 GMT -5
Teams that tanked in 2019 are really getting the benefit of a missed season if they simply replicate 2019 draft order into 2020 standings. I imagine they have to do a lottery-based system; otherwise, that was the most successful 47-win season the Tigers posted.
If they replicate the draft order, does that make the Nationals back-to-back champions?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 26, 2020 20:01:49 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 26, 2020 20:37:06 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on Mar 26, 2020 23:31:14 GMT -5
Regarding the video of Heston Kjerstad's swings, I thought it was interesting that all of his teammates were on the top step of the dugout to watch his at bats. It appears that they did not want to miss out of he launched one.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 27, 2020 8:15:10 GMT -5
Chris Crawford made a great point on Twitter of a side effect that by limiting the number of players entering from the amateur ranks (it was also reported that UDFA bonuses would be limited to 20k), or makes it even easier to enact the 120 Plan, because you would effectively eliminate a level of play. It wouldn't surprise me if the next CBA cut the length of the draft as well.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 27, 2020 8:44:50 GMT -5
It feels like a compromise here could really be to keep Short-Season Leagues like the NYPL and eliminate the Rookie leagues, where nobody goes to watch and where 1/4 of the games are rained out. I know that cuts into some of the financial advantages of the plan in the first place, but world's smallest violin etc etc. Nobody other than the owners would rather keep the GCL Red Sox and GCL Cardinals over the Lowell Spinners and State College Spikes, two teams that draw well and don't lend themselves to a full-season situation.
The bit about not increasing the draft bonuses is really messed up. Just the worst kind of example of owners and unionized players teaming up to dump on non-member individuals first. Exactly the sort of "compromise" that gets unions a bad reputation because it's a concession that nobody involved in the negotiations is surrendering.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 27, 2020 9:37:36 GMT -5
There is something darkly comic with how, given an unprecedented situation requiring a quick and substantial collective bargaining effort, the one thing everyone could immediately agree to was the old reliable strategy of taking money away from all the baseball players that have yet to join the union on the flimsiest of pretenses.
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Post by mg050369 on Mar 27, 2020 9:37:43 GMT -5
These draft changes have ramifications I'm still trying to wrap my head around:
* Pros, college, Indy or overseas - 5 rounds and $20K for UDFA means about 175 draftees get meaningful bonuses. I suspect we'll see a flood of talent leaving, returning for deeper future drafts.
* Shift in drafting strategy - My first thought was this would eliminate the tough signee strategy but it could be the exact opposite for some teams. I'm working off the assumption you can add slot availability to any UDFA's $20K bonus. If so. Sox draft 17th which is approximately a $3.5M bonus. They could draft an easy senior sign for $10K then ink ten 3rd to 4th round talents for $370K each ($350K slot savings plus $20K). This wouldn't have been a viable strategy in the past with a deeper draft. It almost has the feel of what has been proposed earlier. Eliminate the draft and give teams slot money. The Sox could spend all their money on one top 5 talent or spread it across 50 guys for $100K each.
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