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Post by ramireja on May 1, 2020 11:31:48 GMT -5
List of players I’d love the Red Sox to take (obviously some are more unlikely to be available than others). 1) Max Meyer 2) Austin Hendrick 3) Garrett Crochet 4) Jared Kelley 5) Heston Kjerstad 6) Alex Santos 7) Cole Wilcox 8) Mick Abel 9) Cade Cavalli 10) Ed Howard Not feeling in no particular order. Peter Crow-Armstrong, Robert Hassell, Patrick Bailey, JT Ginn. Any particular reason you're out on Hassell? I prefer what I've read (seen?) on his hit tool over Hendrick's power profile. I think my preference among the HS OFers might be something like: Veen (probably a top 10 maybe top 5 pick) Hassell Crow-Armstrong Hendrick Crews (noticed he did drop on some recent boards though and unsure why)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 1, 2020 13:36:03 GMT -5
Wtf is even wrong with the owners? This plan saves them, like, a few hundred thousand each. What an asinine proposal. I'm glad the players called them on it. So I did the math this morning and it's more like $3M per team if you cut the draft at 5 rounds and anyone else is capped at $20k. That's still a pittance.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 1, 2020 15:42:04 GMT -5
I don't pretend to know enough about HS and college prospects to offer an intelligent opinion on which kids the RS should target. But big picture, I'd like to seem them draft a college P.
It seems risky to use a 1st round pick on a kid who hasn't been scouted beyond his junior year of HS, so I say save the HS picks for later rounds. And I want to prioritize a P because our ascent back to the top of the division depends on our ability to add some low-cost pitching to a roster that will still be pretty payroll constrained through at least '22.
I trust CB to make the right decision with this pick - which is why I'm so relieved the commish let us keep it.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 1, 2020 17:05:52 GMT -5
List of players I’d love the Red Sox to take (obviously some are more unlikely to be available than others). 1) Max Meyer 2) Austin Hendrick 3) Garrett Crochet 4) Jared Kelley 5) Heston Kjerstad 6) Alex Santos 7) Cole Wilcox 8) Mick Abel 9) Cade Cavalli 10) Ed Howard Not feeling in no particular order. Peter Crow-Armstrong, Robert Hassell, Patrick Bailey, JT Ginn. Any particular reason you're out on Hassell? I prefer what I've read (seen?) on his hit tool over Hendrick's power profile. I think my preference among the HS OFers might be something like: Veen (probably a top 10 maybe top 5 pick) Hassell Crow-Armstrong Hendrick Crews (noticed he did drop on some recent boards though and unsure why) I’m more looking for impact at the top of the draft we have to get a dude that in a year from now is a top 50 prospect in baseball so that’s why I’m taking a risk on riskier players but with more impact tools. Nothing wrong with those guys but their profile is a little suspect to me.
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Post by soxfan101 on May 1, 2020 20:52:23 GMT -5
Whats the scouting profile on Hassell, seems like he's in our range, is there a decent comp for him?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 1, 2020 23:20:56 GMT -5
We wound up with Hassell in the first and Jeff Criswell out of Michigan in the third round. I'd be down with that as the first couple picks.
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Post by espinozaorbust on May 2, 2020 11:16:01 GMT -5
Hassell, I’ve heard Drew Waters comps. Great hit tool, great arm, may not have the foot speed to cover center. Real question is whether his body is projectable for power, or is he just a skinny kid. Or so I’ve heard.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 7, 2020 10:32:40 GMT -5
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 7, 2020 10:59:38 GMT -5
i would really appreciate it, if someone could give a rational explanation on why so few rounds, and even more so, on why a team can then ONLY offer just $20K for anyone not drafted. In the 1st place, if a team wants to "pass" after the 5th round or the 10th, fine! But why are we limiting the draft so drastically? I know, I know that teams have not been able to see these players since last year, for the most part. Then don't participate after so many rounds, if you want to, but why stop the draft for everyone after 5 rounds? And who the hell came up with the idea a team could only offer $20K for a player not selected. This alone hurts the amount of new talent coming into MLB, and really screws up division 1 baseball also. The only programs/schools happy are the junior colleges. Kids who wanted to play professionally may forgo 4 year schools so they keep options open. In my opinion, the draft should go, at least, 12 rounds, and an organization can pass if they feel to much risk. And also, a team should be able to offer, at least, $50K for an un-drafted kid. I actually prefer $100K.
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Post by mg050369 on May 7, 2020 11:26:50 GMT -5
i would really appreciate it, if someone could give a rational explanation on why so few rounds, and even more so, on why a team can then ONLY offer just $20K for anyone not drafted. $$$
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 7, 2020 11:30:03 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on May 7, 2020 12:36:34 GMT -5
I would be ecstatic if they got Crochet
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Post by borisman on May 7, 2020 17:51:10 GMT -5
I would be ecstatic if they got Crochet Agreed. Him or the other lefty from L'ville, Detmers. Not sure he lasts that long though.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 8, 2020 18:00:26 GMT -5
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on May 8, 2020 19:17:22 GMT -5
I hope the Red Sox seek to capitalize on the 5 round draft by signing 100 plus undrafted free agents for $20 k each. Seems like a relatively low cost ($2 million) high reward potential. Many colleges are going to continue remote learning in the fall and many of these kids would rather play baseball than stare at a Zoom video most of the day.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 8, 2020 19:32:47 GMT -5
I hope the Red Sox seek to capitalize on the 5 round draft by signing 100 plus undrafted free agents for $20 k each. Seems like a relatively low cost ($2 million) high reward potential. Many colleges are going to continue remote learning in the fall and many of these kids would rather play baseball than stare at a Zoom video most of the day. 100 is obviously an extremely unrealistic expectation, but I am very curious to see how they approach things this year. I'm expecting a high number (20-25) of sub-20k senior signs and then a few swings at high school guys, but that's just speculating.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 8, 2020 19:49:40 GMT -5
5 rounds ? That is just sad. Think of how many you guys who won't have the thrill of saying they were drafted, regardless if they get past single A. Now what, teams get to just throw some money at em and stock their systems. I get 40 rounds may be inefficient and improvement could be made, but 5 rounds That seems so silly.
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Post by soxfaninnj on May 8, 2020 19:59:05 GMT -5
Another example of why manfred needs to be replaced.
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Post by kman22 on May 9, 2020 0:49:56 GMT -5
Would've been neat if they uncapped it since it's only 5 rounds.
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Post by stevedillard on May 9, 2020 5:34:03 GMT -5
I don't see this as a negative for the Sox - it will leave lots of talent available that might want to take the 20K, and if not, ....
So the 2021 draft, with the Sox rebuilding year, will be deep.
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Post by philarhody on May 9, 2020 10:23:52 GMT -5
I would assume this makes the loss of our 2nd round pick more painful, being that there may be a greater compression of talent in 5 rounds rather than 50.
Is this proper thinking?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 9, 2020 11:40:18 GMT -5
I would assume this makes the loss of our 2nd round pick more painful, being that there may be a greater compression of talent in 5 rounds rather than 50. Is this proper thinking? I think it would be more painful as far as getting top notch talent, but I think the situation would make it more likely for them to find a diamond in the rough. This is where scouting comes in big - finding somebody who doesn't get picked in the first five rounds who would have made an excellent 6th or 7th round pick. The problem is that you're up against a 20k signing limit I believe? So I guess it's a situation of who can make the best college senior signing? I think on balance it's a negative but there's a chance for some mitigation?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 9, 2020 12:41:49 GMT -5
I would assume this makes the loss of our 2nd round pick more painful, being that there may be a greater compression of talent in 5 rounds rather than 50. Is this proper thinking? I think it would be more painful as far as getting top notch talent, but I think the situation would make it more likely for them to find a diamond in the rough. This is where scouting comes in big - finding somebody who doesn't get picked in the first five rounds who would have made an excellent 6th or 7th round pick. The problem is that you're up against a 20k signing limit I believe? So I guess it's a situation of who can make the best college senior signing? I think on balance it's a negative but there's a chance for some mitigation? Don't think I agree. It takes away a chance to sign a player who'd be that diamond of which you speak, as well as significant cap money. Referring to the draft itself, then yes, I think you're points make sense, but not in terms of losing a pick. Your obviously not going to convince potential to picks to sign for 20k, but part of me wonders what the Jarren Duran types will do. Go back to school, come out next year as a senior and hope for, what, 50k instead? 100k? I think this is where good scouting will identify players who will sign/convince them to do so.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2020 0:48:30 GMT -5
I'm in shock. Given the state of things a change to the draft wasn't unexpected. Yet to reduce it to five rounds and cap the other picks at $20,000 because teams worry about money is crazy! First the majority of the money is the top five rounds. If you wanted savings you change that. Second why hurt so many other players and not the top guys? It's like the NFL going two rounds, then cutting everyone's that's left pay. That $125,000 goes a long way towards fixing the pay problem and a lot of guys got it. The draft is the best way to get cheap talent and now they want to spend less.
I can't help but think this might just be a first step in changing the draft for good. It's the changes for raising pay, cheap owners wanting to get it back anyway possible. Less minor league teams, now even less money on draft picks. The guys that complained for change are the ones getting cut out now. It's going to be the same pool of money, just more going to less players.
You'd almost be foolish to turn down four years of College for $20,000. Less teams means less chances. Next up it'll be no high school players in the draft so owners can reduce minor league teams again. It should be an epic junior College class in three years though.
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Post by jmanny24 on May 10, 2020 8:52:45 GMT -5
The ones who really make out here are the HS kids with all sorts of leverage now, and the class that gets hurt are the college juniors. If you don't get taken in 5 rounds take 20K or go back to school and become a senior sign with little leverage, how much money are they going to lose? I understand cutting the draft from 40 rounds, but to 5?
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