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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 11, 2020 23:19:05 GMT -5
But seriously, that block by Smart. Looking high and low for a gif, if you guys find it before I do then post it.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 11, 2020 23:26:35 GMT -5
But seriously, that block by Smart. Looking high and low for a gif, if you guys find it before I do then post it. It was among the best defensive plays I’ve ever watched live, and I don’t say that lightly. Obviously not on the same tier as LeBron’s finals block, but one tier down when you factor in the circumstances.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 11, 2020 23:37:05 GMT -5
It was among the best defensive plays I’ve ever watched live, and I don’t say that lightly. Obviously not on the same tier as LeBron’s finals block, but one tier down when you factor in the circumstances. Man it was insane, that shit would have tied the game. It's beautiful: The way he slows down in one of those steps. Dude's a champ. Also, didn't notice until I posted this now, but Jaylen is at the corner when the fastbreak starts. He gets the rebound at the restricted zone lol. But man, seriously, Smart was THIS close to fouling or missing the ball altogether. Just so, so clutch.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 12, 2020 1:15:37 GMT -5
That series has a huge impact on who I draft. You can't play D and I don't want you. In the offseason chat I had said there are four players I would trade all three firsts to move up in get. After watching this series, I might include Okongwu in that list. I just think he would be a major upgrade over Theis offensively as a roll man and in the dunker spot. Maybe the 13th, the 30th, and Robert Williams gets you Okongwu.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 12, 2020 4:57:46 GMT -5
That series has a huge impact on who I draft. You can't play D and I don't want you. In the offseason chat I had said there are four players I would trade all three firsts to move up in get. After watching this series, I might include Okongwu in that list. I just think he would be a major upgrade over Theis offensively as a roll man and in the dunker spot. Maybe the 13th, the 30th, and Robert Williams gets you Okongwu. I haven't watched his tape as no one has him dropping out of the top ten. Yet is he that much better than Williams? Williams has hardly played and has really impressed me. Like can't he be that guy? He's even showing nice touch on his jumpers. His rapid improvement has been amazing.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 12, 2020 6:11:03 GMT -5
That series has a huge impact on who I draft. You can't play D and I don't want you. Cassius Stanley end of first round.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 12, 2020 6:42:49 GMT -5
To hit on 2 guys, even at 3rd overall, in back to back drafts is very hard. Just look at all the teams that fail year after year. It takes some luck, but Danny didn’t take who fell he legit picked these guys. He had Tatum number 1 when everyone else had him 3rd (hence the trade down)and he took Brown 3rd when most didn’t have him there and people like me were mad because he couldn’t shoot. But to hit on 2 guys that aren’t only star level players but are perfect compliments and LOVE each other and their success is borderline AMAZING. “As Tatum has blossomed, Brown has turned into the perfect co-star on both ends. On offense, Tatum is on ball while Brown is off, and vice versa on the other end. They can step into each other’s roles when needed, but they are deadly in whatever combination they find. While one is making all the noise and taking on the minutia of managing the scheme, the other is moving in the shadows, ready to pounce. The dynamic has grown throughout the year, with Walker and Smart serving as the glue between these two bookends. Now they seek to reach a new height. “I told JT it’s an honor to be able to play with him and grow,” Brown said. “We’ve learned so much from each other and we have grown so much.” theathletic.com/2061259/2020/09/12/jayson-tatum-superstar-celtics-raptors/
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Post by blucore on Sept 12, 2020 9:12:53 GMT -5
I can't really express how much I am looking forward to not seeing Nick Nurse on the sideline or hearing the phrase "box and one."
Looking forward to next series, I'm trying to pump up the Heat, but I just don't see it. The Celtics seem like a team more built for the playoffs. They have 5 guys averaging 20+ minutes per game in the postseason (not counting Hayward's one game) and the Heat have 7. Not to single out the white guys, but can Robinson and Herro defend? If I recall correctly, Dragic doesn't have the best reputation defensively either. When it becomes a best 5 versus best 5 game, do the Heat have enough two-way players to not be exploited on both ends?
I like the matchup defensively of the rotating Smart/Brown/Tatum trio guarding Butler and Dragic. You can probably hide Kemba on one of the corner shooters who isn't likely to burn you in the pick and roll. I'm not sure that the Heat have anyone who can consistently run the offense outside of those two.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 12, 2020 15:17:22 GMT -5
In the offseason chat I had said there are four players I would trade all three firsts to move up in get. After watching this series, I might include Okongwu in that list. I just think he would be a major upgrade over Theis offensively as a roll man and in the dunker spot. Maybe the 13th, the 30th, and Robert Williams gets you Okongwu. I haven't watched his tape as no one has him dropping out of the top ten. Yet is he that much better than Williams? Williams has hardly played and has really impressed me. Like can't he be that guy? He's even showing nice touch on his jumpers. His rapid improvement has been amazing. Good question. I think his floor is way higher than Williams. Perhaps his ceiling is not quite as high (I also think the odds of Williams reaching his ceiling are very low). I think Okongwu is a souped up Theis who gives you coveted versatility in pick and roll coverages and is a warrior of a rim defender. Tremendous roll man with real post skills and touch that probably extends to three in a Al Horford like manner.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 13, 2020 1:09:19 GMT -5
I haven't watched his tape as no one has him dropping out of the top ten. Yet is he that much better than Williams? Williams has hardly played and has really impressed me. Like can't he be that guy? He's even showing nice touch on his jumpers. His rapid improvement has been amazing. Good question. I think his floor is way higher than Williams. Perhaps his ceiling is not quite as high (I also think the odds of Williams reaching his ceiling are very low). I think Okongwu is a souped up Theis who gives you coveted versatility in pick and roll coverages and is a warrior of a rim defender. Tremendous roll man with real post skills and touch that probably extends to three in a Al Horford like manner. I like him after watching tape. Yet I'm not doing that trade. I'm crazy impressed with how fast Williams has improved. I'm the guy who wanted him to begin with. His defense against the Raptors guards really impressed me. They wanted no part of driving against him, which for a guy who was Raw and hasn't played much is crazy good. What's he going to be in a few years? I'd rather have him and add another guy or two.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 5:46:33 GMT -5
We might have to start talking about oversized centers instead of undersized.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 6:16:17 GMT -5
UMass, did this series start to change your outlook for Grant Williams potential ceiling down the road?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 13, 2020 7:01:33 GMT -5
UMass, did this series start to change your outlook for Grant Williams potential ceiling down the road? www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2020-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-celtics-vs-raptors.htmlActually it just reinforced it. He got abused by Siakam and Ibaka all series long. Everyone points to his last play which was good, yet forgets Siakam going at him for easy buckets before it. He needs to become more athletic. He's a rotation player, with a chance to be a good bench piece if his offense comes along. Look at the defensive ratings and rebounding percentage for the series. He had the worst Defensive rating of any player that actually played. What did you see that makes you think he's a starter or elite bench piece?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 13, 2020 7:05:25 GMT -5
We might have to start talking about oversized centers instead of undersized. Oversized Centers?
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 7:55:29 GMT -5
UMass, did this series start to change your outlook for Grant Williams potential ceiling down the road? www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2020-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-celtics-vs-raptors.htmlActually it just reinforced it. He got abused by Siakam and Ibaka all series long. Everyone points to his last play which was good, yet forgets Siakam going at him for easy buckets before it. He needs to become more athletic. He's a rotation player, with a chance to be a good bench piece if his offense comes along. Look at the defensive ratings and rebounding percentage for the series. He had the worst Defensive rating of any player that actually played. What did you see that makes you think he's a starter or elite bench piece? I never called him a starter. I forget the adjective I used on the bench player role but strong works.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 13, 2020 14:08:52 GMT -5
www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2020-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-celtics-vs-raptors.htmlActually it just reinforced it. He got abused by Siakam and Ibaka all series long. Everyone points to his last play which was good, yet forgets Siakam going at him for easy buckets before it. He needs to become more athletic. He's a rotation player, with a chance to be a good bench piece if his offense comes along. Look at the defensive ratings and rebounding percentage for the series. He had the worst Defensive rating of any player that actually played. What did you see that makes you think he's a starter or elite bench piece? I never called him a starter. I forget the adjective I used on the bench player role but strong works. I think it was Great and you did say you could see him starting. Great equals Smart, good/Solid is like Wannamaker.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 14:18:44 GMT -5
I never called him a starter. I forget the adjective I used on the bench player role but strong works. I think it was Great and you did say you could see him starting. Great equals Smart, good/Solid is like Wannamaker. Pretty sure i said like a Kanter can start in the right situation if necessary for short periods of time. Regardless. He has some potential to be something.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 13, 2020 17:06:35 GMT -5
I think it was Great and you did say you could see him starting. Great equals Smart, good/Solid is like Wannamaker. Pretty sure i said like a Kanter can start in the right situation if necessary for short periods of time. Regardless. He has some potential to be something. "I could see where a Williams, Williams, Tatum, Brown and a good PG let's say Kemba....is a great starting lineup" You certainly said some other stuff, yet you did say that also.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 13, 2020 18:42:35 GMT -5
Pretty sure i said like a Kanter can start in the right situation if necessary for short periods of time. Regardless. He has some potential to be something. "I could see where a Williams, Williams, Tatum, Brown and a good PG let's say Kemba....is a great starting lineup" You certainly said some other stuff, yet you did say that also. Yea if all those players reach their ceilings - I’ll stick with that. That’s with an MVP Tatum and a top 20 Brown tho combined with Robert being a beast. But the point is without getting into low probability scenarios - I can see Grant being a player in the league whereas at the start I thought he’d be a bust. He needs to get up to close to 40% from 3 tho.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2020 14:00:48 GMT -5
Did the Celtics lie? They said Hayward had a grade three ankle injury, now are saying he'll be back at some point next series. Grade two is 4-6 weeks, grade three is months. Seems he had grade two not three.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 14, 2020 23:36:40 GMT -5
Not sure which grade ankle sprain they said, but the timeline was always 4+ weeks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 15, 2020 13:11:51 GMT -5
They called it grade three, which is why everyone said their timetable was crazy optimistic. Yet here we are less than a month later with Steven's saying he'll return at some point in the Heat series. That would be a quick recovery from grade two, nevermind grade three.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 15, 2020 15:33:21 GMT -5
They called it grade three, which is why everyone said their timetable was crazy optimistic. Yet here we are less than a month later with Steven's saying he'll return at some point in the Heat series. That would be a quick recovery from grade two, nevermind grade three. He will make it back and his wife will drop the baby
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Post by philarhody on Sept 15, 2020 16:55:18 GMT -5
Predictions?
I’ve got Celtics in 6. I think the motion that has given Miami’s offense success should be neutralized by the Boston’s switchability. Dragic is going to need a big series out of the pick and roll. Am interested to see if Theis and company can keep Bam at bay.
I think VanVleet and Lowry were much tougher defensive matchups against Tatum than Butler/Crowder/Iggy.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 15, 2020 17:13:26 GMT -5
I’m not sure but the Heat depth makes me a little nervous if the games are close at the end. We saw what Powell did to a tired Celtics team.
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