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Post by texs31 on Oct 23, 2019 14:37:01 GMT -5
Let's do this
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 23, 2019 18:58:03 GMT -5
Absolutely pathetic start by the officials. Losers.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 23, 2019 18:58:54 GMT -5
Wow the refs have been great tonight!
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 23, 2019 19:04:42 GMT -5
Tatum’s inability to hit layups could be an issue.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 23, 2019 19:17:24 GMT -5
Tatum’s inability to hit layups could be an issue. Terrible ball control and vision as well, so maybe he'll stop driving. |
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 23, 2019 20:13:58 GMT -5
These refs deserve to have terrible things happen to them.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 23, 2019 20:19:06 GMT -5
Stevens wasting no time showing incompetence as a coach.
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Post by philarhody on Oct 23, 2019 21:19:54 GMT -5
I don’t know why any of y’all are complaining about anything other than Kenba Walker shooting this team out of the game tonight
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 23, 2019 21:21:04 GMT -5
Very bad first game, but it was to be expected. Too many new guys on the roster and there's a downgrade in talent. Terrible game by Kemba, but I did appreciate the leadership. He seems to genuinely like his guys. The second half was bad all around, but I'm still not quitting on this team.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 23, 2019 22:14:08 GMT -5
Stevens wasting no time showing incompetence as a coach. C'mon man! It's one game. Where were you 2-3 years ago when Stevens pulled the team up into contention? I want the C's to do well as much as you do. Tonight it appeared that their lack of height and attendant interior athletic defense was a determinant factor. Brown was not a 28M/yr player and Tatum looked stuck in year 1. He is a weak mid range guy, and not particularly fast or agile on drives. He arrived as incredibly advanced and mature. His upside potential has long been a question for me. My belief is that we are under talented.... But I don't fault Stevens. |
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 24, 2019 6:45:42 GMT -5
Stevens wasting no time showing incompetence as a coach. C'mon man! It's one game. Where were you 2-3 years ago when Stevens pulled the team up into contention? I want the C's to do well as much as you do. Tonight it appeared that their lack of height and attendant interior athletic defense was a determinant factor. Brown was not a 28M/yr player and Tatum looked stuck in year 1. He is a weak mid range guy, and not particularly fast or agile on drives. He arrived as incredibly advanced and mature. His upside potential has long been a question for me. My belief is that we are under talented.... But I don't fault Stevens. I was calling him a top 3 coach, and I still think he’s in that ballpark. But it would be nice if he ever learned how to use timeouts. He’s almost as bad as that as Andy Reid with clock management. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 24, 2019 11:58:49 GMT -5
It's the first game and it showed in the play. Plus the refs seemed on a mission to call everything. I liked the offense,the flow, and most of the shots they took. Outside some crazy deep Smart threes. They just missed a bunch of shots they usually make. Walker was pressing all game long, trying to do too much. That has to be the worst game I've ever seen him play. Not really worried though I liked the ball movement for most of the game.
The positives have to be Hayward looking good. He's not dunking and wasn't getting much lift, but he was moving and changing direction a lot better than most of last year. I love Tatum attacking, but he was forcing things at times. He is going to have to learn how to be a true #1 option. Yet I will take that over him disappearing like we saw at times last year.
Things to worry about, getting out rebounded by 21. That's the big worry when you play Tatum at PF. Sixers start a legit C and PF, while Kanter wasn't great rebounding. Grant Williams, Theis, and Semi were horrible rebounding. Robert Williams showed you flashes, but also showed he has a long way to go to be a defensive force.
First game so I'll give Stevens a pass, but he can't use the bench the way he did. Browns foul issues were part of it, but you can't play the whole bench. You can't have a full bench unit given that bench. You just don't have a Morris or even a Rozier, there are no scorers on the bench. Great opportunity for the rookies, but kinda scary that the bench really depends on rookies. Yet Robert Williams and Smart are mostly defensive players. They really need Edwards or Langford to step up. It wasn't horrible last night because the Sixers have no bench, but it will be glaring against teams that do.
I thought before last night Robert Williams was key and that hasn't changed. Him starting still seems like the goal and best way to balance the team. That second unit will look a lot better with Kanter.
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Post by beantown on Oct 24, 2019 12:15:29 GMT -5
Not a W but a lot of positive takeaways for a very tough defensive matchup on the road with Philly.
- Kemba’s shots will fall, and if on a putrid night like this we’re still in the game, that’s a very good sign.
- JT’s shot chart looked better, just needs to work on finishing at the rim.
- JB looked strong in his limited minutes between the fouls.
- Williams looks much improved in positioning and mindset. He’ll earn more minutes against smaller teams.
- Kanter held strong defensively in the post, that bodes well for matchups against oversized traditional bigs.
- Marcus did Marcus things.
- Grant Will looked strong, even took some head on bumps and bully ball from Embiid. He will play in small lineups.
- Good to see beef bullet hit his first three and take some pressure off.
- Gordon looked like old G. For stretches of the game, he looked like the best two-way player on the floor.
- Missing a boatload of free throws is likely an aberration and if you factor in those misses, this is a very close game.
These C’s will be fine, and honestly Philly didn’t look that scary. Chin up, guys, it’s a long season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 24, 2019 12:53:25 GMT -5
I certainly wasn't focused on Haywards D, but I can't remember any plays he made that would have me thinking he was the best two way player on the floor for stretches. Hubie Brown even made a comment that his D wasn't great and he had a negative defensive box score in the game. He's so skilled offensively that he can be effective even if he doesn't have much jumping ability. Yet that shows up on D.
One game in limited minutes, yet Robert Williams leads the team in box score plus minus. The big difference from last year is he was positive on offense. Something he wasn't very good at last year.
Man I missed Basketball!
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Post by beantown on Oct 24, 2019 16:50:04 GMT -5
I certainly wasn't focused on Haywards D, but I can't remember any plays he made that would have me thinking he was the best two way player on the floor for stretches. Hubie Brown even made a comment that his D wasn't great and he had a negative defensive box score in the game. He's so skilled offensively that he can be effective even if he doesn't have much jumping ability. Yet that shows up on D. One game in limited minutes, yet Robert Williams leads the team in box score plus minus. The big difference from last year is he was positive on offense. Something he wasn't very good at last year. Man I missed Basketball! Plus-minus is an extremely flawed stat in small sample sizes. And Hubie Brown is the guy I put on mute with a big smile on my face. Thank god it’s basketball season again |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 25, 2019 10:05:09 GMT -5
I certainly wasn't focused on Haywards D, but I can't remember any plays he made that would have me thinking he was the best two way player on the floor for stretches. Hubie Brown even made a comment that his D wasn't great and he had a negative defensive box score in the game. He's so skilled offensively that he can be effective even if he doesn't have much jumping ability. Yet that shows up on D. One game in limited minutes, yet Robert Williams leads the team in box score plus minus. The big difference from last year is he was positive on offense. Something he wasn't very good at last year. Man I missed Basketball! Plus-minus is an extremely flawed stat in small sample sizes. And Hubie Brown is the guy I put on mute with a big smile on my face. Thank god it’s basketball season again Well there is real plus minus, which is just his numbers. Depending on who you play with, it can certainly effect the numbers. Defensive plus minus is different, it's a formula like war in Baseball. Calculated per 100 possessions with zero being average. Haywards career numbers are negative slightly. Even before the injury Hayward wasn't a great defender. Smart player so he can hide some of his flaws, yet he'll never be great defensively. What exactly did you see to throw around he was the best two way player on the team? I just have to ask because no one has talked about Hayward like that. You can mute Brown all you want, heck I didn't like how he seemed to pick on Smart all game. Had to be four times he talked about him getting offensive fouls or how he backed tracked on the Brown Embiid foul after that crazy call. Yet the guy knows Basketball better than most announcers. No offense but I'm going to take his word over yours. Espically when it matches up with what I watched happen live. |
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Post by beantown on Oct 25, 2019 16:50:11 GMT -5
Plus-minus is an extremely flawed stat in small sample sizes. And Hubie Brown is the guy I put on mute with a big smile on my face. Thank god it’s basketball season again Well there is real plus minus, which is just his numbers. Depending on who you play with, it can certainly effect the numbers. Defensive plus minus is different, it's a formula like war in Baseball. Calculated per 100 possessions with zero being average. Haywards career numbers are negative slightly. Even before the injury Hayward wasn't a great defender. Smart player so he can hide some of his flaws, yet he'll never be great defensively. What exactly did you see to throw around he was the best two way player on the team? I just have to ask because no one has talked about Hayward like that. You can mute Brown all you want, heck I didn't like how he seemed to pick on Smart all game. Had to be four times he talked about him getting offensive fouls or how he backed tracked on the Brown Embiid foul after that crazy call. Yet the guy knows Basketball better than most announcers. No offense but I'm going to take his word over yours. Espically when it matches up with what I watched happen live. What I actually said was: "for stretches, he was the best two-way player on the floor." And to that end, you can refer to his purpose coming off screens and strong, confident drives to the hoop that I can't remember seeing much of last year. To me, the explosiveness is back. Count on him having a very solid year on the offensive side of the ball. Defensively, I thought he was effective on Simmons in the half-court and defensive rotations were crisp and confident. He just had the look of a guy in control. If you're looking for some magic stat in particular to quantify that, I don't have one for you. As you say, RPM will be a good stat to look at as the year progresses. |
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 25, 2019 18:37:20 GMT -5
It would be nice if Kemba and Tatum decided to start their seasons.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 25, 2019 18:46:28 GMT -5
Stevens has no clue what he’s doing with these lineups.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 25, 2019 19:37:17 GMT -5
This is ugly basketball, they can't get a hoop in the paint. C's have 13 offensive rebounds with nothing to show for it, missed gimmies.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 25, 2019 19:49:00 GMT -5
Grant Williams doing the little things!
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 25, 2019 19:53:08 GMT -5
Stevens closes quarters with brutal lineups, and the Celtics not surprisingly get smoked to end the 3rd.
He’s lost as a head coach.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 25, 2019 20:27:34 GMT -5
This was fun.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 25, 2019 20:51:26 GMT -5
Just got home and missed the game. Were Kemba and Tatum forcing it again or the shots largely just wouldn't go in?
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Post by beantown on Oct 25, 2019 21:39:16 GMT -5
Yeah Kemba had a rough start, he seemed pretty nervous. Caught on fire in the late 3rd into the 4th qtr and really showed the Kemba we've seen from there.
JT shooting stroke was smooth, forced some more drives but better than against Philly. JB looked really, really good, man. That contract is looking nice now if he can play like this. Gotta remember he and Tatum are still so young... 23 and 21? Siakam is 25 and only just coming into his own.
Toronto looks underrated, this was a huge win.
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