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2019-20 Boston Celtics Season
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 6, 2019 13:10:03 GMT -5
I agree they are getting lucky, yet you really think they are that bad and lucky to get a top three pick? So much depends on Curry. Seen 2-3 months, some say 3 months minimum. Even at 3 months that has him back for the final two and half months. I don't see that team tanking or Curry playing along sitting an extra month while healthy. They probably won’t get a top 3 pick just because the odds say they won’t but they’ll be a bottom 10 team this year most likely. They are so freaking bad. Even when Curry is there the team isn’t good. Sure I can see that. It was always going to take them some time to gel. That team is so different, for the first time in what five years they had a massive turnover. Yet if Curry was healthy I'd still think they were close to a fringe playoff team. There are a bunch of really bad teams and they will start tanking right about the time Curry comes back.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 6, 2019 14:38:52 GMT -5
Don did you watch Duke last night? This is going to be an interesting year for them. Alex O’Connell surprised me. He’s going to be a weapon the next 2 years. I didn't watch it, I had to read about it afterwards. I like the mentality they're building around, last year's team was way too exuberant. It played with a flair that wasn't going to do them favors when the defenses got tough and they had to grind. This year looks more down to earth in a way that I very much enjoy.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 7, 2019 21:31:54 GMT -5
I so hope that Hayward is really, really back like he completely looks.
This team is way more enjoyable to watch than last year's.
Also, I loved Kemba when watching him last year and I like him even more now. He seems like equalish talent to Kyrie without the weird baggage. Even better, he seems like a very positive influence on his teammates. I mean Kyrie would be brooding in this game if he only had 14 points even though they're destroying them.
Also, Kemba's mom is great.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 7, 2019 22:09:54 GMT -5
That TF on Smart is absolutely absurd. He was fouled and complained that he wasn't fouled and that's it.
edit: Wow, NBA replay gets it right. They spotted the foul and undid the TF because he wouldn't have complained if they called it right.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 7, 2019 22:53:21 GMT -5
Could have been a trap game, it was a comfortable win. Tatum and Hayward are balling out of their goddamn minds right now. Frontcourt depth is still very iffy, but other than that we're gold.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 8, 2019 9:43:29 GMT -5
The rollercoaster ride of the past few years is continuing, IMO, with this years team being better than most expected it would be. Yes it is early but I really like what I see as far as the way they play together and gel so early in the season. And I am still confident that Kanter is going to be a difference maker this year which gives them a lot of options as far as the type of 5 is on the floor.
Don, given that this was Kembas return to Charlotte, I don't think it had much of a chance to be a "trap game". They wanted it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2019 10:20:42 GMT -5
Tatum’s defense has seemingly improved but I don’t like how his finishing has been poor, he’s not getting to the line and he’s not creating for teammates. Every once in a while you see the ability to create but it’s very few and far between. Her averaging less than 2 assists per game and that’s horrid for someone who has the ball as much as him.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 8, 2019 13:26:10 GMT -5
Tatum’s defense has seemingly improved but I don’t like how his finishing has been poor, he’s not getting to the line and he’s not creating for teammates. Every once in a while you see the ability to create but it’s very few and far between. Her averaging less than 2 assists per game and that’s horrid for someone who has the ball as much as him. Yup, this is what I was talking about when I mentioned GHs game. The game hasn't slowed down for Tatum yet and it might not, although it most likely will with experience. Not all players get there, it is the difference between good, very good and great. The great ones make it look easy, they anticipate and see the court better because they aren't rushing with the ball in their hands. In other words Tatum needs to relax and slow down a little when he has the ball in his hands, right now he is rushing things. With confidence the game slows down. Brown falls into this category also.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 8, 2019 22:11:29 GMT -5
Kyrie shouldn't even be mentioned with this team, not because he's a set back, but because it really doesn't matter. It absolutely doesn't matter.
Kyrie is the better player over Kemba. He gets better players to play with him. That in itself has a lot of value on top of the accolades. Accept that as a fact or don't. Danny Ainge was trying to build what the Brooklyn Nets did in 5 seconds with free agency, and Danny Ainge was trying to do it for 3-5 years. That's your GM saying that. Not me.
This team is more fun than Isaah Thomas and those Celtics teams, because of the youth and talent. That doesn't matter either.
It matters if this team is good enough to make it to the finals. This team is 1-1 against Milwakee and Philly. Great. Early. Whatever.
Tatum looks like the same young player as last year. Brown still looks solid, but not superstar level. I'll love it if he stays there for forever. Nothing wrong with that. Kemba is still looking like a great 2nd or 3rd piece on a championship core. He has been that guy for his whole career.
Hayward is the guy who's in his prime, who's looking like he can take this team to the potential next level. It starts and ends with Hayward. It did last year. It does this year. He's the guy who can ball.
Last year's Celtics would have been better with this Hayward. Not the same GH who was scoring 8 points a game with nothing but a sore ankle.
This team will be fun to watch, just like last year's. Without the BS fan drama. Can't wait.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 8, 2019 22:58:22 GMT -5
Tatum looks like the same young player as last year. No he doesn't. Tatum picked up a lot of scoring responsibilities and has done so reasonably well. He's taking, and making, way more 3's and that's the biggest key. He's still a bad dribbler and he can't finish at the rim, but overall he's having a nice season and there should be less questions about his game.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 8, 2019 23:08:58 GMT -5
Tatum looks like the same young player as last year. No he doesn't. Tatum picked up a lot of scoring responsibilities and has done so reasonably well. He's taking, and making, way more 3's and that's the biggest key. He's still a bad dribbler and he can't finish at the rim, but overall he's having a nice season and there should be less questions about his game. His shot selection is improving. That comes with time. So slight mishap on him being more of the same. He's making progress, but he's not on a Paul Pierce level. This is the projection too. They should absolutely keep him for future purposes, but if you want to win, you got to have a young player on this level or a superstar, if not 3. The NBA isn't a fair league, and I'm not going to put fair expectations on a projected number one pick like Tatum who dropped to 3 at one point. Paul Pierce made the jump in year 3. Tatum is starting to, but he needs to go to another level if the Celtics want finals expectations. Just my opinion/expectation that's going to be delegated over and over again on a place like this. He's got to take over games. Multiple games. This needs to be the JT show, or it'll be more of the same the past decade. This team has plenty of talent, but this is the NBA. This is isn't the progress league. Players either become great or they don't. Up to JT to make the leap. Hope he does. Good luck JT.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 9, 2019 2:53:46 GMT -5
Should add Pierce was 21 in his first year as a pro. Tatum is 21 now. Which does count in terms of turning into a superstar but it's still a problem for the Celtics.
Hayward, who's contract looked like an albatross the first two years here, is a unrestricted free agent by the time Tatum reaches the age of 23 in the NBA (in two more years). That's if you believe in Tatum reaching the same level Paul Pierce did at the same age.
So ya, the Celtics are in a bind if Tatum doesn't reach that next level the next 2 years. The only thing you can do after 2 years is use the GH's money to resign Tatum, hope you get lucky with draft picks, pull off maybe a great trade or two (if it's even there). Hayward will be in his 30's by the time his deal is up if you want to use bird rights to resign him (not ideal).
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 9, 2019 7:44:01 GMT -5
Dirtywater, In one post you say it is GH that is the key then in your next post you say it needs to be the JT show.
Not that I disagree with much of what you say but the fact is this team needs to play like Brad wants then to which means making the best basketball play. They need to play unselfish team basketball on O and play great D. Those are the things that IMO will be the keys to how successful they are. Right now I like what I see.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 9, 2019 8:55:52 GMT -5
Dirtywater, In one post you say it is GH that is the key then in your next post you say it needs to be the JT show. Not that I disagree with much of what you say but the fact is this team needs to play like Brad wants then to which means making the best basketball play. They need to play unselfish team basketball on O and play great D. Those are the things that IMO will be the keys to how successful they are. Right now I like what I see. Brad Stevens hasn't proven anything in Boston yet when it comes to winning. Great coach, yet his style of not needing superstars to fill out a roster (or the fact that he can't manage these personalities) is a huge detrement. Hayward is the key to a finals appearance if the Celtics get lucky or hot at the right time. Him and Walker are perfect 2 and 3 pieces in a talented roster. Tatum is the key to get that championship. He needs to turn into the man. Brown and Smart are great pieces on top of that like Eddie House and Posey was for 2007-2008 Celtics. Just my humble opinion.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 9, 2019 10:42:04 GMT -5
Outside of last year Brad looks like one of the best coaches in the NBA. Brad's system isn't one of not needing superstars but of team play and that's what the very good coaches do. The better team can beat the more talented team, we've seen that with Brad many times. It's why last year didn't work they didn't play team ball.
Ask yourself has Brad ever lost to a less talented team in the playoffs? Now how many times has he won against more talented teams? That is what you want a coach to do!
I have no clue why anyone wouldn't be happy with Tatum so far. He's greatly increased his scoring, while increasing his efficiency. Take into account he went to a talented team and wasn't handed anything. In Brad's system he teaches players to play winning Basketball. It isn't a crappy team where young guys put up big numbers while not playing winning Basketball. Look at Pierce he didn't focus on D till KG and Allen got here. Tatum is way a head of Pierce as a two way player. In Brad's system it just takes longer because they play team Basketball, not ISO ball. Like look at the talent Tatum plays with compared to Pierce, it's night and day.
For this team to be Championship level, they likely need a big who can compete we the elites in this league. Maybe Kanter can step up and Williams keeps developing, but that's a huge maybe.
I don't think it's on Tatum, that's the beauty of Brad's system. If Hayward can keep playing well you have three guys to share the scoring, all three can take over games at times. Along with one of the better 4th options in the league in Brown. Add in Kanter's ability to score and that starting five has a lot of firepower, yet is very undersized. Thinking championship, it's a big that worries me and a bench that is crazy young. Outside Smart, your counting on the two Williams and Edwards to make an impact. That is going to be a bigger issue and key more than Tatum taking another step come playoff time.
Just like we have seen in the past Steven's system works when the players buy in. The great thing about this team is they are very young and just started playing together. They should get better as the season goes along.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 9, 2019 13:33:10 GMT -5
I haven’t gotten to watch much of him in the flow of games, but Robert Williams rate stats have been really good this year. Can someone who has watched tell me how he has looked?
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 9, 2019 18:26:58 GMT -5
Dirty screen by Aldridge might force Hayward out of the game. What a loser he is.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 9, 2019 18:35:33 GMT -5
Dirtywater you don't think Stevens has proven anything, that is utter BS! Other than last year with Kyrie being a problem his teams have outperformed all expectations every year. Just about every player who has ever played for him has had their best years while playing for him. Go read his bio on wiki and tell me he isn't a very very good coach. Blasphemy
Just when everything is looking great GH fractures his hand on that Aldridge screen! Damn!!
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 9, 2019 18:48:15 GMT -5
These officials are pieces of garbage.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 9, 2019 18:55:26 GMT -5
Stevens with the worst challenge of all time. What is he doing here.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 9, 2019 19:20:59 GMT -5
Outside of last year Brad looks like one of the best coaches in the NBA. Brad's system isn't one of not needing superstars but of team play and that's what the very good coaches do. The better team can beat the more talented team, we've seen that with Brad many times. It's why last year didn't work they didn't play team ball. Ask yourself has Brad ever lost to a less talented team in the playoffs? Now how many times has he won against more talented teams? That is what you want a coach to do! I have no clue why anyone wouldn't be happy with Tatum so far. He's greatly increased his scoring, while increasing his efficiency. Take into account he went to a talented team and wasn't handed anything. In Brad's system he teaches players to play winning Basketball. It isn't a crappy team where young guys put up big numbers while not playing winning Basketball. Look at Pierce he didn't focus on D till KG and Allen got here. Tatum is way a head of Pierce as a two way player. In Brad's system it just takes longer because they play team Basketball, not ISO ball. Like look at the talent Tatum plays with compared to Pierce, it's night and day. For this team to be Championship level, they likely need a big who can compete we the elites in this league. Maybe Kanter can step up and Williams keeps developing, but that's a huge maybe. I don't think it's on Tatum, that's the beauty of Brad's system. If Hayward can keep playing well you have three guys to share the scoring, all three can take over games at times. Along with one of the better 4th options in the league in Brown. Add in Kanter's ability to score and that starting five has a lot of firepower, yet is very undersized. Thinking championship, it's a big that worries me and a bench that is crazy young. Outside Smart, your counting on the two Williams and Edwards to make an impact. That is going to be a bigger issue and key more than Tatum taking another step come playoff time. Just like we have seen in the past Steven's system works when the players buy in. The great thing about this team is they are very young and just started playing together. They should get better as the season goes along. I second your whole post, spot on. And we are not homers, I don't think. lol Although in response to your 2nd team concerns, that is where Kanter can be a difference maker. Between him, G williams, Smart and Carson, all those guys can score on the second unit. Truly though I hope GH isn't out for too long, what a bummer.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 9, 2019 19:40:57 GMT -5
Haywards fracture in his hand is just not fair, he deserves better than that.
Then again he is a multi millionaire playing a sport so yeah it sucks but he is still living the life we would all be ecstatic to trade for. I imagine that making millions playing a game regardless of the circumstances would be acceptable to most here.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 9, 2019 20:58:21 GMT -5
Dirtywater you don't think Stevens has proven anything, that is utter BS! Other than last year with Kyrie being a problem his teams have outperformed all expectations every year. Just about every player who has ever played for him has had their best years while playing for him. Go read his bio on wiki and tell me he isn't a very very good coach. Blasphemy Kyrie is the perfect example of why Stevens should be questioned. He's a good couch, but tone it down. Coaches really don't matter in this league. The talent does. Tyron Lue won a championship.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 9, 2019 21:01:18 GMT -5
Haywards fracture in his hand is just not fair, he deserves better than that. And....this team just went from promising to maybe another tease, just like that. Hopefully he can come back, but that could derail his season AGAIN. Great. He should be back, but he could turn back into a shell like last year.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 9, 2019 21:43:26 GMT -5
Haywards fracture in his hand is just not fair, he deserves better than that. And....this team just went from promising to maybe another tease, just like that. Hopefully he can come back, but that could derail his season AGAIN. Great. He should be back, but he could turn back into a shell like last year. You’re a bundle of joy. It’s a fracture in his hand, not a shattered leg. It may take some time but he’ll round back into form.
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