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2019-20 Boston Celtics Season
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 26, 2019 8:22:34 GMT -5
Is 21 offensive rebounds a sign that the C's will have an emphasis on crashing the boards this tear or is it just by chance?
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Post by beantown on Oct 26, 2019 8:56:01 GMT -5
Is 21 offensive rebounds a sign that the C's will have an emphasis on crashing the boards this tear or is it just by chance? And that was without Kanter! |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 26, 2019 9:26:31 GMT -5
Is 21 offensive rebounds a sign that the C's will have an emphasis on crashing the boards this tear or is it just by chance? And that was without Kanter! Whom either did or was close to leading the league last year. I hate watching guys just stand there and watch the shot rather than getting in position for a Reb, I get it that it doesn't help transition defense but someone can usually crash and still get back. Just like defense it is all about hustle and desire, get after it! |
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 26, 2019 18:52:18 GMT -5
Someone else should be in charge of timeouts because Stevens is a joke at it.
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Post by ianrs on Oct 27, 2019 6:53:46 GMT -5
This team looks really deep and good. The uptick in rebounding has been amazing and something we've missed the past few years.
Grant Williams is on his way to being a Draymond Green PJ Tucker hybrid who does all the little things amazingly. What a steal.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 27, 2019 7:32:34 GMT -5
This team looks really deep and good. The uptick in rebounding has been amazing and something we've missed the past few years. Grant Williams is on his way to being a Draymond Green PJ Tucker hybrid who does all the little things amazingly. What a steal. It will be a much more fun year. I think tho that the absence of interior defense will be the Achilles heel. Grant has done well rebounding so far but he's 6'6. And where do all these good guys play? I remember great Celtics teams playing mostly 7-8 guys. Of course the league has changed. Rest is important and teams are deeper in talent. At least Tacko, Edwards and Grant are rookies so we won't have a Rozier like issue. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 27, 2019 10:25:46 GMT -5
This team looks really deep and good. The uptick in rebounding has been amazing and something we've missed the past few years. Grant Williams is on his way to being a Draymond Green PJ Tucker hybrid who does all the little things amazingly. What a steal. I have been saying this since the draft, love the guy. 2 time SEC player of the year lasts to #22 because he doesn't have the perfect body and a limited ceiling, LOL, C's get lucky. He will have a very good career but will never make an all star team, whatever Smart won't either. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 27, 2019 10:32:04 GMT -5
This team looks really deep and good. The uptick in rebounding has been amazing and something we've missed the past few years. Grant Williams is on his way to being a Draymond Green PJ Tucker hybrid who does all the little things amazingly. What a steal. It will be a much more fun year. I think tho that the absence of interior defense will be the Achilles heel. Grant has done well rebounding so far but he's 6'6. And where do all these good guys play? I remember great Celtics teams playing mostly 7-8 guys. Of course the league has changed. Rest is important and teams are deeper in talent. At least Tacko, Edwards and Grant are rookies so we won't have a Rozier like issue. Maybe, maybe not with the way the game is played now. Their will be teams that are bad matchups for sure, like Philly, but they have options with 5 different guys who will play the 5. They will need to double down low so once again it is about being on a string and rotating. They actually might be able to matchup relatively well with the Greek Freak, to the extent anyone can. Should definitely be more fun than last year!! 55-27 |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 27, 2019 10:37:17 GMT -5
I always forget to switch to regular season thread...y’all need to tell me this stuff
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 27, 2019 10:39:53 GMT -5
I haven’t watched every minute of every game but I’ve seen some of all of them. Quick hit thoughts:
1. Jaylen Brown might actually be on the way to reaching his ceiling.
2. Pray Tatum is just adjusting to being aggressive because the shots at the end of his drives are terrible.
3. Marcus Smart can actually shoot.
4. Carsen Edwards has been nervous but that will subside. Maybe it did last night - we will see.
5. You get more offensive rebounds when you drive to the hoop.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 27, 2019 10:44:04 GMT -5
This team looks really deep and good. The uptick in rebounding has been amazing and something we've missed the past few years. Grant Williams is on his way to being a Draymond Green PJ Tucker hybrid who does all the little things amazingly. What a steal. Are they that deep? Their starting 5 plus smart then what isn’t a question? It’s also questionable if Kanter is an ideal starter... he’s definitely a rotation player so goes with depth argument but at this point the depth is more guys we like than actually legit good NBA players. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 27, 2019 14:43:10 GMT -5
Given the impact Grant Williams has already shown in his first 3 games I think you can include him in the rotation for 6th or 7th most minutes most nights.
I consider Walker and the 3 wings, Tatum, Brown and GH the starters with whom ever starts at the 5 being any one of a few guys. It would be nice if someone took control of that and maybe some one will but Williams was that guy in crunch time the other night against Toronto. If he was a little taller he would be THE guy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 28, 2019 12:34:49 GMT -5
I didn't watch last game, but why are we talking about Smart can shoot? He's shooting 33% and 26% from deep. Smart isn't bad if he takes good shots, not crazy deep wild threes like he was in the first game. Heck it seems he's going backwards after last year. The lack of talent on the 2nd unit kinda makes him a go to scorer and that's the last thing you want.
We have a rebounding issue and Grant Williams is a big part of it, he's below 5% on defensive rebounding percentage. His 12% offensive rebounding percentage is great, but he really needs to pick it up on the defensive side. The other guy is Semi who once again is giving you nothing but D. No rebounds or points. Like that needs to change or you shouldn't be playing him.
How good is our depth? Time will tell because it's going to depend on all young players like both Williams, Edwards and Langford. We should get better as the season goes along and it's going to be fun to watch. Yet it is asking a lot for so many young guys to provide depth on a team that has legit dreams of making a deep playoff run.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2019 13:14:25 GMT -5
Because percentages after 3 games are pretty useless. Also, bad shot selection versus being able to shoot are 2 different things. His shot looks good - mechanics the way it leaves his hand - that’s different than 2 years ago.
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Post by beantown on Oct 28, 2019 14:30:35 GMT -5
Because percentages after 3 games are pretty useless. Also, bad shot selection versus being able to shoot are 2 different things. His shot looks good - mechanics the way it leaves his hand - that’s different than 2 years ago. This. Smarf's new 3 ball is legit. |
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Post by blucore on Oct 28, 2019 16:07:53 GMT -5
I don't think it matters how "good" Smart's shot looks compared to other years. He doesn't have the mentality to be efficient from 3. He takes bad shots and if he makes them, he takes more of them. This is on par with his shot selection throughout his career.
I like Smart, but I doubt he will ever be better than league average at shooting.
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Post by beantown on Oct 28, 2019 17:01:39 GMT -5
I don't think it matters how "good" Smart's shot looks compared to other years. He doesn't have the mentality to be efficient from 3. He takes bad shots and if he makes them, he takes more of them. This is on par with his shot selection throughout his career. I like Smart, but I doubt he will ever be better than league average at shooting. I love this comment. NBA All-Defensive First Team contender who distributes the ball and shoots league average from the 3 is a borderline All-Star. |
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Post by blucore on Oct 28, 2019 19:12:16 GMT -5
I don't think it matters how "good" Smart's shot looks compared to other years. He doesn't have the mentality to be efficient from 3. He takes bad shots and if he makes them, he takes more of them. This is on par with his shot selection throughout his career. I like Smart, but I doubt he will ever be better than league average at shooting. I love this comment. NBA All-Defensive First Team contender who distributes the ball and shoots league average from the 3 is a borderline All-Star. Except that he attempts 3-pointers on par with the best shooters on the team, frequently takes those shots out of the offense, and directly away from better options like Hayward, Tatum, Brown, and Walker. If he's open, that's fine. He has to take those. Late in the shot clock, fine. He's got the freaky-shot gene. But when he's doing the pull-ups and step-backs like Kemba, no. Those are still bad shots that he hasn't removed from his game. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 28, 2019 22:10:38 GMT -5
Except that he attempts 3-pointers on par with the best shooters on the team, frequently takes those shots out of the offense, and directly away from better options like Hayward, Tatum, Brown, and Walker. If he's open, that's fine. He has to take those. Late in the shot clock, fine. He's got the freaky-shot gene. But when he's doing the pull-ups and step-backs like Kemba, no. Those are still bad shots that he hasn't removed from his game. You got to take the good with the bad with Smart. He's flawed, but he's the soul of this team. He's the guard version of Draymond Green. |
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Post by beantown on Oct 28, 2019 22:54:08 GMT -5
I love this comment. NBA All-Defensive First Team contender who distributes the ball and shoots league average from the 3 is a borderline All-Star. Except that he attempts 3-pointers on par with the best shooters on the team, frequently takes those shots out of the offense, and directly away from better options like Hayward, Tatum, Brown, and Walker. If he's open, that's fine. He has to take those. Late in the shot clock, fine. He's got the freaky-shot gene. But when he's doing the pull-ups and step-backs like Kemba, no. Those are still bad shots that he hasn't removed from his game. Marcus shot a better percentage than every player you mentioned there except Tatum, despite his "out of offense" shots? Not sure you're backing up this argument effectively. Tatum: .373 SMART: .364Kemba: .356 Brown: .344 BTW, .364 is a better percentage than you might think it is. For reference, that was better than some traditional high volume scorers like Kevin Durant (.353), Chris Paul (.358), and Lou Williams (.361), oh and just for fun, far, far better than LeBron (.339). |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 29, 2019 3:10:32 GMT -5
Except that he attempts 3-pointers on par with the best shooters on the team, frequently takes those shots out of the offense, and directly away from better options like Hayward, Tatum, Brown, and Walker. If he's open, that's fine. He has to take those. Late in the shot clock, fine. He's got the freaky-shot gene. But when he's doing the pull-ups and step-backs like Kemba, no. Those are still bad shots that he hasn't removed from his game. Marcus shot a better percentage than every player you mentioned there except Tatum, despite his "out of offense" shots? Not sure you're backing up this argument effectively. Tatum: .373 SMART: .364Kemba: .356 Brown: .344 BTW, .364 is a better percentage than you might think it is. For reference, that was better than some traditional high volume scorers like Kevin Durant (.353), Chris Paul (.358), and Lou Williams (.361), oh and just for fun, far, far better than LeBron (.339). You get that was one year right? Like Smart is a career 37.2% FG and 31.0% 3 point shooter. Tatum is 45.8% and 40.2%, Brown is 46.3% and 36.4%, and Walker is 41.8% and 35.8%. Smart is now in his 6th year and is shooting so far 33.3% and 26.3%. Last year Smart shot 42.2% and 36.4% by far his best shooting season of his career. Less was more with him, career low amount of shot attempts per 36 minutes. He focused on setting guys up and took the shots that came to him. Starting games and playing with so many scorers likely helped. Got injured and the old Smart came back in the playoffs. The guy who thinks he's a scorer and takes horrible shots. That's the guy I see this year. That Smart has never been a good 3 point shooter. Not even going back to his College days. I hope you are right his new 3 ball is legit and he's anywhere near the 3 point shooter of all the players you listed. Most of those guys have proven they can take and make hard 3 pointers for years. Games on the line, you need a three pointer, Smart is by far the last guy you mentioned I want shooting it. I'm not trying to trash Smart either. I 100% agree with Don. He's doing some great things for this team, yet he's never been a guy you want creating three pointers or taking crazy hard ones. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 29, 2019 6:13:51 GMT -5
My initial comment was never to suggest that Marcus Smart was some sort of sniper. It was just to suggest that I feel confident he can actually shoot the ball now. It wasn’t to suggest he’s going to have awesome percentages - as has been pointed out shot selection affects those things and time will tell if he’s more disciplined in that area. The point was, when he’s open he can hit 3s which makes him somewhat of a threat so defenses need to be aware of him. This was not the case early in his career. He couldn’t shoot worth a damn. Now he can.
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Post by beantown on Oct 29, 2019 7:08:09 GMT -5
It might a little premature to draw conclusions about stats in the 6th smarf season when we’ve only played 3 games but...
Yeah, he’s certainly no sniper but he can hit the open 3 which I think we can all agree wasn’t the case in years past.
And I think my main point was that even with the occasional wild shot, his percentage was more than adequate last year for what he brings to the team. So it seems a bit nitpicky to complain about a guy that actually shoots on par with many other late game options. That’s it.
We’re all hoping he can improve even more this year, so we’ll see!
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Post by blucore on Oct 29, 2019 9:08:39 GMT -5
Yeah my overall point is that given his shot selection, him shooting 3s won’t “add” to the team. Agreed that you take the good with the bad with Smart. It’s just that he’s made such great strides in playmaking and ball handling, but he hasn’t made his shot selection meaningfully better.
On another topic, it should be a fun game tomorrow. I’m really interested in how they use their big men against Giannis. The offense looks really good with G Williams at the 5, but I have my doubts that will work with a star big in the mix. I think R Williams might make the best matchup in terms of getting the proper size/length/athleticism on Giannis, but he’s had some problems with silly fouls and missed assignments through the first 3 games.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 29, 2019 9:28:27 GMT -5
Yeah my overall point is that given his shot selection, him shooting 3s won’t “add” to the team. Agreed that you take the good with the bad with Smart. It’s just that he’s made such great strides in playmaking and ball handling, but he hasn’t made his shot selection meaningfully better. On another topic, it should be a fun game tomorrow. I’m really interested in how they use their big men against Giannis. The offense looks really good with G Williams at the 5, but I have my doubts that will work with a star big in the mix. I think R Williams might make the best matchup in terms of getting the proper size/length/athleticism on Giannis, but he’s had some problems with silly fouls and missed assignments through the first 3 games. You don’t think last year he showed improved shot selection? |
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