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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 9, 2019 22:51:13 GMT -5
And....this team just went from promising to maybe another tease, just like that. Hopefully he can come back, but that could derail his season AGAIN. Great. He should be back, but he could turn back into a shell like last year. You’re a bundle of joy. It’s a fracture in his hand, not a shattered leg. It may take some time but he’ll round back into form. The most important player on this team and his season is now in jeopardy. It's kind of a big deal. Team is easily making the playoffs, but a broken wrist can absolutely be a killer for a whole season and can linger/affect performance. |
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Post by blucore on Nov 9, 2019 23:46:07 GMT -5
You’re a bundle of joy. It’s a fracture in his hand, not a shattered leg. It may take some time but he’ll round back into form. The most important player on this team and his season is now in jeopardy. It's kind of a big deal. Team is easily making the playoffs, but a broken wrist can absolutely be a killer for a whole season and can linger/affect performance. It's an injury that will keep him out, but it's not like it was his shooting hand. Not ideal at all, but he spent all offseason practicing at non-game-speed and was fantastic to start the season. If he misses six weeks and is back by January, he should be in form come playoff time. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 10, 2019 0:08:24 GMT -5
Heartbroken about Gordon, dude probably endured enough pain for any pro athlete. I really hope it's not bad and that he's back by December/January.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 10, 2019 2:41:23 GMT -5
Can't avoid the fact that it was a very good win tonight.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 10, 2019 7:25:38 GMT -5
You’re a bundle of joy. It’s a fracture in his hand, not a shattered leg. It may take some time but he’ll round back into form. The most important player on this team and his season is now in jeopardy. It's kind of a big deal. Team is easily making the playoffs, but a broken wrist can absolutely be a killer for a whole season and can linger/affect performance. Just his season is in jeopardy? Not his career or his life? Phew. It's a broken hand not a wrist. He'll be out 4-6 weeks. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2019 8:03:29 GMT -5
When has Stevens ever beaten a more talented team in the playoffs with his less talented team?
2014-15: swept by Cavs and should have been.
2015-16: lost 4-2 to the Hawks a very beatable team.
In 2016-17: He took a number 1 seed to the ECF and got crushed. To get there he beat the 8 seed Chicago Bulls and 4 seed Washington Wizards.... May have needed a Rondo injury to win the Bulls series in the first round as they were dominated at home and down 0-2.
2017-18: he took the number 2 seed to the ECF and ended up losing despite leading 3-2 and having home court. To get there they needed 7 to beat the 7th seed Bucks. They had a good series win against the Sixers but were the higher seed with home court.
2018-19: we know what happened. Beat a team they should have beat and lost badly to a team they had the talent to compete with.
Now before you spin this into some Brad hate. It isn’t. It’s just reality. The only series you can try to stretch to be the less talented team beat the more talented one is the Sixers series from 2 years ago and that is highly debatable.
I love Stevens and I’m glad he’s the coach.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 10, 2019 8:58:01 GMT -5
The most important player on this team and his season is now in jeopardy. It's kind of a big deal. Team is easily making the playoffs, but a broken wrist can absolutely be a killer for a whole season and can linger/affect performance. Just his season is in jeopardy? Not his career or his life? Phew. It's a broken hand not a wrist. He'll be out 4-6 weeks. Thanks for the update Doc. Should be fine immediately thereafter. Hayward has shown to bounce back great from injuries in the past. Please put me on ignore if you're going to just troll my posts. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2019 9:11:59 GMT -5
When has Stevens ever beaten a more talented team in the playoffs with his less talented team? 2014-15: swept by Cavs and should have been. 2015-16: lost 4-2 to the Hawks a very beatable team. In 2016-17: He took a number 1 seed to the ECF and got crushed. To get there he beat the 8 seed Chicago Bulls and 4 seed Washington Wizards.... May have needed a Rondo injury to win the Bulls series in the first round as they were dominated at home and down 0-2. 2017-18: he took the number 2 seed to the ECF and ended up losing despite leading 3-2 and having home court. To get there they needed 7 to beat the 7th seed Bucks. They had a good series win against the Sixers but were the higher seed with home court. 2018-19: we know what happened. Beat a team they should have beat and lost badly to a team they had the talent to compete with. Now before you spin this into some Brad hate. It isn’t. It’s just reality. The only series you can try to stretch to be the less talented team beat the more talented one is the Sixers series from 2 years ago and that is highly debatable. I love Stevens and I’m glad he’s the coach. 2017 when they beat the Bucks and Sixers, both teams were clearly more talented. You don't have to take my word look up the Vegas odds and what the announcers said! Thanks for doing all the work to prove my point. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 10, 2019 9:17:59 GMT -5
Just his season is in jeopardy? Not his career or his life? Phew. It's a broken hand not a wrist. He'll be out 4-6 weeks. Thanks for the update Doc. Should be fine immediately thereafter. Hayward has shown to bounce back great from injuries in the past. Please put me on ignore if you're going to just troll my posts. You're acting like a broken hand is similar to his ankle injury, it's not. The ankle injury could have ended his career, a broken hand is a rather simple injury that everyone comes back 100% from. It sucks, but they aren't close to the same. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 10, 2019 9:21:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the update Doc. Should be fine immediately thereafter. Hayward has shown to bounce back great from injuries in the past. Please put me on ignore if you're going to just troll my posts. You're acting like a broken hand is similar to his ankle injury, it's not. The ankle injury could have ended his career, a broken hand is a rather simple injury that everyone comes back 100% from. It sucks, but they aren't close to the same. I never said it was the same. I said Gordon Hayward's season in terms of performance could be now in Jeopardy. It could be. In fact, it already is because of now the missed time. It's a huge blow that will probably drop them a couple of seeds down, and could mean that they're away for most of the playoffs too. |
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 10, 2019 9:34:33 GMT -5
But his season is not in jeopardy. You’re just making things up.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 10, 2019 9:55:46 GMT -5
That's not what I said. "Season in terms of performance." I don't expect Hayward to be back into form and doing what he was previously until March.
He'll get back to back games off. He will be sore. He will need to get caught up to game speed again after being out for 2 months.
What can go wrong with the Celtics, will go wrong for the Celtics.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 10, 2019 10:19:59 GMT -5
You can look at Brad and say he hasn't beaten better teams often in the playoffs if you would like. What I am saying is that if you looked at those teams at the start of the season and the talent/expectations for every season til last, they outperformed expectations. Meaning during the season he coached teams up that went further than anyone thought. How many players had their best seasons while playing for him? Do I need to list them? It is a long list of guys who became a lot better playing with him in his system and every single one came back to earth after leaving. Name anyone who left and played to the level they did under him. I can't think of one.
If you go and look at what he accomplished at Butler and then how quickly he made the C's relevant again with marginal talent you will see a savant. Give him Tim Duncan and he is the next Popovich, heck he might get there without a Duncan.
And I don't put a lot of the blame on him for last year, Kyrie is what he is and a leader he is not. Trying to keep him happy in a contract year was impossible and I am now glad he is gone, Kemba is perfect for this team.
Hopefully GH is only out a month and the team just becomes deeper with the minutes someone gets to fill in for him. Maybe we get to see some Romeo. Also puts some pressure on JT and JB to step up more, which they have done in the past as we saw during the playoff run 2 years ago. That could be a good thing also for both of those guys.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 10, 2019 11:57:35 GMT -5
Keep reading that Green will likely be the big recipient of Haywards minutes. But Kanters PT is going to have to come from somewhere as well?
Could see some bigger lineups (though spacing could be an issue with RWill and Enes) instead of a DRASTIC jump in minutes for JG.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 10, 2019 13:02:33 GMT -5
Green has looked good every time he gets on the floor but you are right about Kanter, kind of spaced it on him.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 10, 2019 14:09:40 GMT -5
He's earned a spot in the (extended, at least) rotation. Don't get me wrong. But Kanter is likely getting 20 mpg and RWill and Theis have been key as well. Doubt they just lose their minutes to get Green more time.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 10, 2019 15:27:35 GMT -5
Haywards fracture in his hand is just not fair, he deserves better than that. And....this team just went from promising to maybe another tease, just like that. Hopefully he can come back, but that could derail his season AGAIN. Great. He should be back, but he could turn back into a shell like last year. This is an unreasonable concern that holds no water. This is a much much lesser injury and to his non-shooting hand as well. Chances are he's out several weeks no more. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 10, 2019 16:38:54 GMT -5
He's earned a spot in the (extended, at least) rotation. Don't get me wrong. But Kanter is likely getting 20 mpg and RWill and Theis have been key as well. Doubt they just lose their minutes to get Green more time. Green has a good back story also, he is easy to root for and has some talent. He could also earn minutes and create some value, good athlete. He also plays with a lot of confidence which is big. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 10, 2019 18:26:33 GMT -5
When has Stevens ever beaten a more talented team in the playoffs with his less talented team? 2014-15: swept by Cavs and should have been. 2015-16: lost 4-2 to the Hawks a very beatable team. In 2016-17: He took a number 1 seed to the ECF and got crushed. To get there he beat the 8 seed Chicago Bulls and 4 seed Washington Wizards.... May have needed a Rondo injury to win the Bulls series in the first round as they were dominated at home and down 0-2. 2017-18: he took the number 2 seed to the ECF and ended up losing despite leading 3-2 and having home court. To get there they needed 7 to beat the 7th seed Bucks. They had a good series win against the Sixers but were the higher seed with home court. 2018-19: we know what happened. Beat a team they should have beat and lost badly to a team they had the talent to compete with. Now before you spin this into some Brad hate. It isn’t. It’s just reality. The only series you can try to stretch to be the less talented team beat the more talented one is the Sixers series from 2 years ago and that is highly debatable. I love Stevens and I’m glad he’s the coach. 2017 when they beat the Bucks and Sixers, both teams were clearly more talented. You don't have to take my word look up the Vegas odds and what the announcers said! Thanks for doing all the work to prove my point. False the Celtics were both favored to win the Bucks series and had better title odds than the Bucks headed into the series. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 11, 2019 7:25:28 GMT -5
2017 when they beat the Bucks and Sixers, both teams were clearly more talented. You don't have to take my word look up the Vegas odds and what the announcers said! Thanks for doing all the work to prove my point. False the Celtics were both favored to win the Bucks series and had better title odds than the Bucks headed into the series. Yes I was wrong about the betting odds, but they were still picked to lose which is what I remembered. www.ibtimes.com/nba-playoffs-2018-first-round-predictions-betting-odds-preview-every-series-2671857 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 11, 2019 7:38:23 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 11, 2019 10:30:01 GMT -5
So some guy predicted and upset and was wrong.... that’s besides the point anyways. First, I hate these arguments because now you’ll pigeon hold me as some Brad hater which couldn’t be further from the truth. Love the guy glad he’s the coach. I just reject the narrative that he takes less talented teams and wins in the playoffs. One series win in that circumstance doesn’t defend that narrative. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 11, 2019 10:33:49 GMT -5
I agree. I do wish Brad would let Edwards and even Langford screw up and have a chance to get comfortable. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 11, 2019 13:40:16 GMT -5
I agree. I do wish Brad would let Edwards and even Langford screw up and have a chance to get comfortable. He's going to be forced to at some point. Hate last year's team all you want, this team has even less depth. |
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 11, 2019 14:24:23 GMT -5
So some guy predicted and upset and was wrong.... that’s besides the point anyways. First, I hate these arguments because now you’ll pigeon hold me as some Brad hater which couldn’t be further from the truth. Love the guy glad he’s the coach. I just reject the narrative that he takes less talented teams and wins in the playoffs. One series win in that circumstance doesn’t defend that narrative. Were the Celtics really predicted to get to the ECF without Kyrie 2 years ago? I think this is where it all comes from. Most thought they were done when Kyrie got hurt and they still made it to 7 games against LeBron's Cavs. They got that far mainly because of 19 year old Tatum and 21 year old Brown. And yeah, that takes a good coach to get that out of such young players, especially when faced with trying to climb the mountain of beating LeBron without your best player. |
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