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Post by PedroKsBambino on Feb 4, 2020 22:28:26 GMT -5
Idk if I'm crazy but I would rather have Maeda at 3 million per year for next 4 yrs than Graterol
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 4, 2020 22:29:10 GMT -5
I can't believe how much this board isn't grasping the situation and how unrealistic some of you had for a return. The fact they had to eat half Price's contract shows you what MLB thought of David Price. Not to mention, again, the Dodgers might lose Betts after this year. What more do you want? I also can't believe people have that much faith in the team, without a manager a week or so before pitchers and catchers, that couldn't make the playoffs the year before without any changes, an old rotation with no one to slot in, top end bats with no depth behind them, and a horrendous bullpen. This is fair, but it falls under the lense of feeling as if you have to make a deal for future benefit. There are negotiations where the return consideration is not enough to merit completing the deal and you walk away. It appears as though some people feel that way. It isn't fair that you (individually) value that future benefit more than the present. That is just your opinion, (not meaning to be harsh towards you) But the team was crap last year and they're older without making any upgrades. They're using this as a bridge year, got young upside talent, re-set the cap hit and have a ton to make a splash next year.
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 4, 2020 22:29:39 GMT -5
Any spin on this deal is just people closing their eyes pretending.
This is the worst.
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Post by cardsox on Feb 4, 2020 22:30:19 GMT -5
Not sure where it has been determined we paid half salary for Price. Ive seen cash, but no total. Half seems an overpay for the return, but 10 mil a yr might start to sound better.That would reduce the salary by about 47 mil 27 + 21- 1
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Feb 4, 2020 22:30:32 GMT -5
May I presume that with both Betts and Price out of the way, the pressure is off to trade JBJ. I could see that/why it still might occur, but there is no longer any payroll pressure to do it, is there?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 4, 2020 22:30:42 GMT -5
Does this even reset the cap given they still paying a lot for Price.
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Post by jdb on Feb 4, 2020 22:31:40 GMT -5
Price is close to be being an albatross at 31 Million while Maeda hasn’t had a lower Fwar than him in three seasons at a 3.1 AAV. With Price is debatable if LAD even upgraded that spot.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 4, 2020 22:32:21 GMT -5
I never wanted someone to fail a medical so much in my life.
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Post by sarcasmo on Feb 4, 2020 22:32:51 GMT -5
Verdugo is fantastic. Excellent contact hitter with a canon for an arm. Will be great in RF. Graterol has upside, but his injury history is pretty bad.
Best case scenario we acquired extremely watered-down versions of Betts and Price that happen cost significantly less. On the surface this is a salary dump and it's an extremely sad day for Sox fans. I can't believe the is the best we could do for Betts.
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2020 22:33:18 GMT -5
Price is close to be being an albatross at 31 Million while Maeda hasn’t had a lower Fwar than him in three seasons at a 3.1 AAV. With Price is debatable if LAD even upgraded that spot. I think it’s more about health. Price will probably fare really well in the NL West.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Feb 4, 2020 22:33:31 GMT -5
There has to be more. This can’t be it
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 4, 2020 22:34:57 GMT -5
There has to be more. This can’t be it I keep waiting to hear that Downs or some other prospect is part of this too, but it doesn't seem like that's the case. I can't wrap my mind around how little the Dodgers gave up if this is the full deal.
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 4, 2020 22:35:13 GMT -5
Can anybody confirm Verdugo still having back issues? That was the rumor on LA radio.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 4, 2020 22:35:23 GMT -5
Idk if I'm crazy but I would rather have Maeda at 3 million per year for next 4 yrs than Graterol Minnesota felt that way, apparently.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Feb 4, 2020 22:35:30 GMT -5
If the reports are true on the amount of cash the Red Sox are including with Price, I believe they'll have paid him $169m for 4 years.
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 4, 2020 22:35:53 GMT -5
Trade looks good to me. Expectations had gotten very unrealistic among fans. The Betts + Price package had very little if any trade value.
I see on Twitter that the Red Sox are throwing in $48 million. That's a very good price for Verdugo and Graterol. If either one of them is any good they come out way ahead.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 4, 2020 22:36:06 GMT -5
This is fair, but it falls under the lense of feeling as if you have to make a deal for future benefit. There are negotiations where the return consideration is not enough to merit completing the deal and you walk away. It appears as though some people feel that way. It isn't fair that you (individually) value that future benefit more than the present. That is just your opinion, (not meaning to be harsh towards you) But the team was crap last year and they're older without making any upgrades. They're using this as a bridge year, got young upside talent, re-set the cap hit and have a ton to make a splash next year. Sure. We can only hope it works out well. It is fair to criticize the return, even with your points.
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 4, 2020 22:36:09 GMT -5
There has to be more. This can’t be it I keep waiting to hear that Downs or some other prospect is part of this too, but it doesn't seem like that's the case. I can't wrap my mind around how little the Dodgers gave up if this is the full deal. This was as much about getting out from under Price as it was getting something for Mookie.
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Post by Canseco on Feb 4, 2020 22:36:29 GMT -5
Could this be Bloom trying to get out from under big money deals ahead of an uncertain future CBA? Perhaps management anticipates rich, long term deals being even more harmful under the eventual terms? Just spit balling here...
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Post by ianrs on Feb 4, 2020 22:37:57 GMT -5
Absolutely awful, embarrassing trade. Sad day to be a Sox fan.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Feb 4, 2020 22:38:32 GMT -5
May I presume that with both Betts and Price out of the way, the pressure is off to trade JBJ. I could see that/why it still might occur, but there is no longer any payroll pressure to do it, is there? That is my silver lining. My favorite player since his Sea Dogs days is still with us !!!
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 4, 2020 22:39:11 GMT -5
Hey guys remember that time Price was really good in the very distant year of 2019. I'm sure glad we got rid of him!
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 4, 2020 22:39:58 GMT -5
May I presume that with both Betts and Price out of the way, the pressure is off to trade JBJ. I could see that/why it still might occur, but there is no longer any payroll pressure to do it, is there? That is my silver lining. My favorite player since his Sea Dogs days is still with us !!! They just threw in the towel for 2020. They should trade JBJ, Workman, Barnes, and entertain offers for Sale.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 4, 2020 22:39:59 GMT -5
I keep waiting to hear that Downs or some other prospect is part of this too, but it doesn't seem like that's the case. I can't wrap my mind around how little the Dodgers gave up if this is the full deal. This was as much about getting out from under Price as it was getting something for Mookie. So glad they're "out from under" from a player who likely would have been the second or third best starter on the team this year.
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Post by dcb26 on Feb 4, 2020 22:40:21 GMT -5
The Sox traded away one year of Mookie and the last 3 years of Price (years many people hoped he would opt out of) for two players who reasonably project to replace them (not WAR for WAR, obviously, but in the lineup/rotation) while being cost controlled for the next several years.
Sure, the money they saved has to be used effectively for this to mean anything, but hard to hate this. If you really thought Mookie was going to be a Sox for life, I guess I get it.
Did think the Sox might get a 3rd player back by paying a good portion of Price's salary, feel like he was a little undervalued.
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