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Post by Smittyw on Feb 4, 2020 22:40:43 GMT -5
I keep waiting to hear that Downs or some other prospect is part of this too, but it doesn't seem like that's the case. I can't wrap my mind around how little the Dodgers gave up if this is the full deal. This was as much about getting out from under Price as it was getting something for Mookie. Well that's stupid.
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:41:16 GMT -5
The one who has been injured all the time with a million innings on his arm? Well which is it - were they only gonna suck if the starting pitching didn't do well this season, or was Price definitely gonna suck this season? I would say the rotation would likely suck if they had to depend on all of Sale, E-Rod, Eovaldi, and Price to stay healthy. So might as well change that right? It’s not like any of them got any younger in the offseason, I don’t think staying healthy would be easy for them. The lineup is still one of the better ones in baseball imo.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 4, 2020 22:41:26 GMT -5
Hey guys remember that time Price was really good in the very distant year of 2019. I'm sure glad we got rid of him! He's been very good since he got his changeup working again in the 2018 postseason and I'm sure the Dodgers know it.
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 4, 2020 22:42:00 GMT -5
This was as much about getting out from under Price as it was getting something for Mookie. So glad they're "out from under" from a player who likely would have been the second or third best starter on the team next year. Henry and Warner are probably doing cartwheels, Bloom did the impossible by making Price's contract disapear. Read being under 208 million saves them 96 million dollars this year somehow.
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 4, 2020 22:42:22 GMT -5
The Sox might not feel good about Price's ability to stay healthy the next three years. Hopefully the medical falls apart.
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:42:50 GMT -5
I think that’s a bad deal for minny They must really like Maeda Or they just want to unload Graterol while his arm is still sort of attached to his body. He had a shoulder issue he came back from throwing smoke and Tommy John which like half of baseball gets at this point If he didn’t have any question marks an arm like that would be a top 3 prospect in baseball and you wouldn’t get him...
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 4, 2020 22:43:26 GMT -5
I keep waiting to hear that Downs or some other prospect is part of this too, but it doesn't seem like that's the case. I can't wrap my mind around how little the Dodgers gave up if this is the full deal. This was as much about getting out from under Price as it was getting something for Mookie. Well we didn't even do that. We just ate his salary.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Feb 4, 2020 22:43:28 GMT -5
Can we get someone who actually knows baseball instead of Harold Reynolds breaking this trade down
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:44:05 GMT -5
How do you figure no salary relief? I don't know how you get this little of a return and still pay half of Price. That's not that much relief. I guess there is some. It’s like $40 million of salary relief in this deal That’s a decent amount of relief my dude
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 4, 2020 22:44:27 GMT -5
They better be throwing in no money in this deal. I hope Rosenthal is wrong about the fact that there's a lot of money going back. That's the only positive we can get left at this point now.
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Post by sportnik on Feb 4, 2020 22:44:57 GMT -5
The Dodgers walked away with Betts/Price and were able to keep May/Downs/Gray/Ruiz. This is going to be hard to swallow unless Graterol is a bonafide 2/3 starter and Verdugo is a 3+ WAR player for the next few years. That’s a are more likely outcome than resigning Betts.
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Post by levi on Feb 4, 2020 22:44:57 GMT -5
FWIW, the Red Sox fared well according to baseballtradevalues.com:
Dodgers receive: Betts 50.7M Price -55.3M Cash 48M
In 43.4M Out 59.9M Net -16.5M
Red Sox receive: Verdugo 47.7M Graterol 21.1M
In 68.8M Out 43.4M Net 25.4M
Twins receive: Maeda 12.2M
In 12.2M Out 21.1M Net -8.9M
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:45:38 GMT -5
The Sox might not feel good about Price's ability to stay healthy the next three years. Hopefully the medical falls apart. He hasn’t 2 of the last 3 years so I doubt they feel good about him going forward with his age being what it is and his innings total being what it is
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 4, 2020 22:46:14 GMT -5
I don't know how you get this little of a return and still pay half of Price. That's not that much relief. I guess there is some. It’s like $40 million of salary relief in this deal That’s a decent amount of relief my dude Not really. That's a lot of dead money in my point of view. You can't do anything with dead money.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Feb 4, 2020 22:46:55 GMT -5
I have no idea why on earth we did not just take just take Maeda & Pederson instead of this porspect who looks like a future closer.
How is not getting Verdugo, Pederson & Maeda not better than what we got?
I am completely dumbfounded.
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:47:12 GMT -5
It’s like $40 million of salary relief in this deal That’s a decent amount of relief my dude Not really. That's a lot of dead money in my point of view. You can't do anything with dead money. Mookie makes $27 mill, half of what Price makes (the half you DIDNT take) is like $15 mill 27 + 15= 42 Imo this deal basically hinges on Graterol. It’s a decent sized risk but it has the potential to be a massive reward
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 4, 2020 22:49:06 GMT -5
Not really. That's a lot of dead money in my point of view. You can't do anything with dead money. Mookie makes $27 mill, half of what Price makes (the half you DIDNT take) is like $15 mill 27 + 15= 42 Yeah for one year. Glad John Henry will gain 42 million while losing tons in ticket sales. Good thing he did this after tickets went on sale in December. This trade feels forced.
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Post by justen on Feb 4, 2020 22:50:15 GMT -5
FWIW, the Red Sox fared well according to baseballtradevalues.com: Dodgers receive:
Betts 50.7M Price -55.3M Cash 48M
In 43.4M Out 59.9M Net -16.5M
Red Sox receive: Verdugo 47.7M Graterol 21.1M
In 68.8M Out 43.4M Net 25.4M
Twins receive: Maeda 12.2M
In 12.2M Out 21.1M Net -8.9MDoes the -55 factor the potential war price provides the dodgers? Edit: I'm not for or against the trade because i need to know more about the pitcher. However losing Betts hurts as a fan to not get a butt load for one of the best players of the game. But even with price going as "salary relief" seems potentially crazy because he was actually good last year. Its not like he was Beckett. Think he'll carve it up in L.A. if he stays healthy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:50:38 GMT -5
Wow everybody expert now try to asking about this 3 or 4 years from now who won the trade and nobody wants to talk about it. I go to bed thread is at 72 6:30 when I wake up the thread will be over 100 and all these expertise opinion will have no opinion 4 years from now it's all about emotion. Seem like when I ask about Sale and Kimbrel trade now no opinion this trade seems like da va ju let the trade work out.
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:52:15 GMT -5
Mookie makes $27 mill, half of what Price makes (the half you DIDNT take) is like $15 mill 27 + 15= 42 Yeah for one year. Glad John Henry will gain 42 million while losing tons in ticket sales. Good thing he did this after tickets went on sale in December. Has nothing to do with John Henry “gaining” $42 million, the reason why they have such harsh luxury tax penalties is because they really don’t want teams to go past it a 3rd time. It goes beyond fiscal penalties. It makes it harder to build a sustainable winner, which is what Bloom was hired for Now if you want to complain about them spending money irresponsibly which leads to this then that’s one thing- but I find it funny that people think this is a result of ownership being cheap. It’s not. It’s actually the exact opposite. They weren’t cheap enough
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 4, 2020 22:52:22 GMT -5
I don’t understand why people don’t get it.
Mookie was hellbent on testing FA. offering him a 12 year 400+ million deal is stupid and would cripple The Sox for years.
This wasn’t like Lester. They offered him 300+ million last offseason (before this past season) and he turned it down.
You let him walk at the end of the year and you get pretty much nothing.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 4, 2020 22:52:48 GMT -5
Mookie + Price + $16M x 3 years for Verdugo and a two-pitch guy who will likely be a reliever = Bloom just got bent over the trade table by his old boss.
This is disgusting.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 4, 2020 22:53:07 GMT -5
Yeah for one year. Glad John Henry will gain 42 million while losing tons in ticket sales. Good thing he did this after tickets went on sale in December. Has nothing to do with John Henry “gaining” $42 million, the reason why they have such harsh luxury tax penalties is because they really don’t want teams to go past it a 3rd time. It goes beyond fiscal penalties. It makes it harder to build a sustainable winner, which is what Bloom was hired for Now if you want to complain about them spending money irresponsibly which leads to this then that’s one thing- but I find it funny that people think this is a result of ownership being cheap. It’s not. It’s actually the exact opposite. They weren’t cheap enough Yup.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 4, 2020 22:53:40 GMT -5
I don’t understand why people don’t get it. Mookie was hellbent on testing FA. offering him a 12 year 400+ million deal is stupid and would cripple The Sox for years. This wasn’t like Lester. They offered him 300+ million last offseason (before this past season) and he turned it down. You let him walk at the end of the year and you get pretty much nothing. Except maybe a shot at one more WS title.
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 4, 2020 22:53:42 GMT -5
Now the Sox have no manager, no 5th starter. A worse outfield and a their starting depth feels like it's Houck and the next Kopech in Graterol.
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