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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 4, 2020 22:53:54 GMT -5
He's been very good since he got his changeup working again in the 2018 postseason and I'm sure the Dodgers know it. Really don't understand the hate for David Price, it's not like he had a Eovaldi year. I hope he picks up another ring with the Dodgers, man I miss being a fan of the team that actually wanted to win above all else.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 22:54:02 GMT -5
Mookie makes $27 mill, half of what Price makes (the half you DIDNT take) is like $15 mill 27 + 15= 42 Yeah for one year. Glad John Henry will gain 42 million while losing tons in ticket sales. Good thing he did this after tickets went on sale in December. This trade feels forced. Wish me luck on my call tomorrow with the Sox Ticket office.
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:56:08 GMT -5
Mookie + Price + $16M x 3 years for Verdugo and a two-pitch guy who will likely be a reliever = Bloom just got bent over the trade table by his old boss. This is disgusting. Verdugo is not a free agent until 2025 It’s like what I said yesterday, I get disliking the idea of trading Betts but we don’t have to lie to ourselves to make ourselves more angry Edit: just reread what you wrote and I misinterpreted. My bad!
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 4, 2020 22:56:57 GMT -5
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 4, 2020 22:57:46 GMT -5
Honestly, don't really want to see what Bloom does next after this shitshow.
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Post by swingingbunt on Feb 4, 2020 22:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 4, 2020 22:58:15 GMT -5
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Post by beasleyrockah on Feb 4, 2020 22:58:21 GMT -5
I don’t understand why people don’t get it. Mookie was hellbent on testing FA. offering him a 12 year 400+ million deal is stupid and would cripple The Sox for years. This wasn’t like Lester. They offered him 300+ million last offseason (before this past season) and he turned it down. You let him walk at the end of the year and you get pretty much nothing. This wasn't like Lester in the sense that Lester refused to counter or negotiate after the Red Sox low initial offer. Mookie actually countered the Red Sox offer.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 22:58:24 GMT -5
Lets be real. They made this deal because Henry wanted to be under $208 million and forced David Price on the Dodgers and as a result cost the Sox on the field.
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:58:28 GMT -5
He's been very good since he got his changeup working again in the 2018 postseason and I'm sure the Dodgers know it. Really don't understand the hate for David Price, it's not like he had a Eovaldi year. I hope he picks up another ring with the Dodgers, man I miss being a fan of the team that actually wanted to win above all else. Some people have sand in their underwear about eck, that’s really the only reason to dislike him I for one will always appreciate him for the World Series. To each their own I guess He is still a risky proposition at $16 mill with his injury history. For sure Worth it when healthy though
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 22:59:35 GMT -5
Honestly, don't really want to see what Bloom does next after this shitshow. Depends on if Henry wants to get under 180 million now. I could see JD being shopped and perhaps JBJ. To get this team closer to 160.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 4, 2020 23:00:35 GMT -5
Mookie + Price + $16M x 3 years for Verdugo and a two-pitch guy who will likely be a reliever = Bloom just got bent over the trade table by his old boss. This is disgusting. If Mookie leaves the Dodgers next year and Price doesn't pitch better than 2019, would you feel differently?
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 4, 2020 23:02:52 GMT -5
Awful.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 4, 2020 23:03:01 GMT -5
For those who don't think there's a virtual hard cap in MLB, this should be an object lesson. Pre-arb talent is the real market inefficiency, and as the people on this site know all to well, the Sox are largely out of that market looking in. They need to rebuild their system to tap that gold and this is a very painful way to do it.
It's hard to overstate how massive that inefficiency is. Devers was worth somewhere around 70 times what he was payed last year. In 2016, Betts was easily worth more than 150 times his salary. You don't get that excess value when the cupboard is bare. Moreover, given the uncertainty of the penalty they face, insuring some sort of decent draft position and adding cost-controlled talent had to be at the top of Bloom's list, the one he got from Henry.
This certainly stinks but that odor has been drifting around for a while. It's a gamble on a future they think they can live with. It's a gamble with the heat on high.
Add: I locked the pre-trade thread with all the conjecture, and moved all the post-trade stuff here.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 4, 2020 23:04:58 GMT -5
Honestly, don't really want to see what Bloom does next after this shitshow. This amazing trade?
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 23:05:59 GMT -5
It’s hilarious because a guy some people are trying to shit on is about to leapfrog Casas as our #1 prospect lol
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2020 23:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 4, 2020 23:10:46 GMT -5
also, contrary to how this feels right now the Sox WILL spend money again now that they'll reset and have some flexibility. and there are some pretty good free agent classes coming up..
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 4, 2020 23:11:27 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 23:16:12 GMT -5
I would have liked to see a catching prospect come back. Ruiz would probably be too high, but something like Wong
As far as the Price retention goes we paid him down to what he’s worth as far as market value- I’m guessing we didn’t get the entire haul many here expected because the dodgers are still assuming a decent amount of change for a sizable injury risk. The guy hasn’t been healthy 2 of the last 3 years and has over 2000 innings on his arm. I don’t see that trend changing
If he does stay healthy the deal is an enormous win for the dodgers. An ok one for the Sox (imo). And a reasonable or bad deal for the twins depending on what you value.
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 4, 2020 23:18:01 GMT -5
I'm officially team Bloom sucks.
Not only did he throw in a ton of cash. He waited until the end of the offseason and he got a terrible return for our MVP.
Bring back Dombrowski
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 4, 2020 23:20:08 GMT -5
This trade is really bad but I'm not about to put all the blame on Bloom when we don't know how much of this was ownership forcing his hand. This is unfortunately what Bloom was brought here to do, and he's doing it.
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Post by dmaineah on Feb 4, 2020 23:22:21 GMT -5
I’m not sure about this deal because I feel as though if the Twins felt Graterol’s stuff, command and strength all add to a big up arrow next to his name, with a future as a frontline starter a distinct possibility, they wouldn’t have traded him away. Did Bloom just trade for a future Closer? I like Verdugo. And I really wish he got Jeter Downs.
Maybe there are more moves coming. Should be well under the cap now with money to spend on a player coming back if there is another trade coming. Is Graterol the #5 SP? If not, who is?
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Post by incandenza on Feb 4, 2020 23:23:03 GMT -5
What they're paying David Price over the next three seasons will only be a few million less than three years' worth of the Sandoval contract.
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 4, 2020 23:24:43 GMT -5
This trade is really bad but I'm not about to put all the blame on Bloom when we don't know how much of this was ownership forcing his hand. This is unfortunately what Bloom was brought here to do, and he's doing it. And so far, he's doing a terrible job at it.
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