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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Feb 4, 2020 21:58:00 GMT -5
I hope we announce an extension of Devers tomorrow.
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Post by levi on Feb 4, 2020 21:58:07 GMT -5
A 265lb pitcher with injury history who has only thrown over 61 innings during one season. This is an *extremely* risky prospect/player. He's not even a guaranteed starter and probably profiles better as an 8th inning guy or closer. Wow.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 4, 2020 21:58:15 GMT -5
A. So far they've got two VERY GOOD (not elite) prospects for Mookie Betts who is 100% unrestricted and wants $1 more than the next highest contract and David Price who is old, annoying, has a "special elbow", and is incredibly over paid for his value. B. They weren't World Series contenders WITH them.
C. They can re-sign Betts now with the cap reset. Not going to sell myself on the idea, but it's a real possibility. D. They have no talent in this system. They got some and space to acquire more the year after or extend players like Devers and E-Rod. There’s no way they sign Mookie. Um... hard disagree. Given that they ... won a world series 15 short months ago with a similar team (and with less impressive performances from Devers and X)
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 4, 2020 21:58:28 GMT -5
For those worried about his innings totals..... He is 20. Ah yes, nothing more reassuring and reliable than a 20 year old pitcher. Money in the bank.
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Post by orion09 on Feb 4, 2020 21:58:46 GMT -5
Bullshit return. Just awful.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Feb 4, 2020 21:59:27 GMT -5
Yeah I don’t like this deal.
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 21:59:33 GMT -5
For those worried about his innings totals..... He is 20. Ah yes, nothing more reassuring and reliable than a 20 year old pitcher. Money in the bank. That’s already made it to the bigs for a contender and throws 100 Yeah nothing to like there at all!
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Post by jimoh on Feb 4, 2020 21:59:44 GMT -5
Both Verdugo and esp. Graterol have elite talent. But both were also injured in 2019: "However, we have to acknowledge Graterol’s injury history. He missed nearly two seasons after Tommy John surgery. He missed about three months in 2019 with a shoulder injury. He ended up just over 70 innings pitched in 2019 after reaching 102 innings in 2018. With such a high-potential arm, the Twins would be wise to take care of him. They need to. It’s possible he could be limited to maybe 120 or 130 innings in 2020." twinsdaily.com/articles.html/_/minnesota-twins-news/minnesota-twins/opening-thoughts-brusdar-graterol-what-would-you-do-r8765
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Post by redsox3in10 on Feb 4, 2020 21:59:49 GMT -5
Bullshit return. Just awful. Still hoping there is one more piece. No reason for me to think there is, but hoping for one more piece.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 4, 2020 22:00:17 GMT -5
For those worried about his innings totals..... He is 20. he is a young pitcher...that is reason enough to worry
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Post by cotuitfan on Feb 4, 2020 22:00:21 GMT -5
I'm done - nice while it lasted but this is the end for me and the old town team - may be back in a few years but I will no longer be doing my twice a year $500 trip to Fenway with my son - I love this site, and am very thankful for every thing you all do -but I'm going to take my business, and my emotions, elsewhere - thanks again
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Post by atzar on Feb 4, 2020 22:01:30 GMT -5
Ah yes, nothing more reassuring and reliable than a 20 year old pitcher. Money in the bank. That’s already made it to the bigs for a contender and throws 100 Yeah nothing to like there at all! There is a large difference between ‘nothing to like’ and ‘not as exciting as the second-best player in the world’. Yes, he has potential. But we just lost Mookie for him.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 4, 2020 22:01:37 GMT -5
A. So far they've got two VERY GOOD (not elite) prospects for Mookie Betts who is 100% unrestricted and wants $1 more than the next highest contract and David Price who is old, annoying, has a "special elbow", and is incredibly over paid for his value. B. They weren't World Series contenders WITH them. C. They can re-sign Betts now with the cap reset. Not going to sell myself on the idea, but it's a real possibility. D. They have no talent in this system. They got some and space to acquire more the year after or extend players like Devers and E-Rod. Um, B. - They WON the World Series with this team.
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:01:37 GMT -5
For those worried about his innings totals..... He is 20. he is a young pitcher...that is reason enough to worry Yeah maybe if he’s a lottery ticket in A+ He pitched in the MLB playoffs as a 20 yr old.
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Post by malynn19 on Feb 4, 2020 22:01:44 GMT -5
For those worried about his innings totals..... He is 20. Ah yes, nothing more reassuring and reliable than a 20 year old pitcher. Money in the bank. See you in 2021 too?
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 4, 2020 22:02:30 GMT -5
We traded our 27 year old MVP for this garbage.
AND we threw in cash.
I am so livid right now it's not even funny.
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Post by orion09 on Feb 4, 2020 22:02:51 GMT -5
EXTEND for Betts?
They traded a slightly above-average, injured outfielder with team control and a mediocre starting pitcher - for the second-best player in the game and a #2 starter @ $15M/year.
EXTEND for Betts?
Fuck outta here
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 4, 2020 22:02:56 GMT -5
Why trade a generational talent in a salary dump.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 4, 2020 22:03:07 GMT -5
If this is all part of a massive plan to reset the tax in order to sign Betts back in a year and extend Devers and Eduardo, I reserve the right to come to feel okay about all of this one day. But for now, this pretty much sums up my feelings...
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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 22:03:24 GMT -5
That’s already made it to the bigs for a contender and throws 100 Yeah nothing to like there at all! There is a large difference between ‘nothing to like’ and ‘not as exciting as the second-best player in the world’. Yes, he has potential. But we just lost Mookie for him. Yeah....one year of him. And you just got a better chance to retain him next year too. And if he doesn’t come back then great- you added two high quality young pieces, reset the luxury tax, and can now throw unpenalized money at another big free agent like a a Springer. Obviously not as good as Mookie, but I can guarantee the contract will be far less prohibitive.
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Post by manfred on Feb 4, 2020 22:04:05 GMT -5
This is pathetic. But why not go the distance and trade everyone but X and Devers? They will suck next year. This trade does nothing for two years from now... if ever. So Sale is pointless. JDM is pointless. JBJ id pointless. Just collect mediocre prospects and longshots.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 4, 2020 22:04:15 GMT -5
I hope that when David Price gets a second ring with LA he has his own parade that's just him in a duckboat circling Dennis Eckersley's house.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Feb 4, 2020 22:04:22 GMT -5
One concern w Graterol is he's already had TJ surgery... I'm hoping they get someone else in the deal.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 4, 2020 22:04:38 GMT -5
There’s no way they sign Mookie. Um... hard disagree. Given that they ... won a world series 15 short months ago with a similar team (and with less impressive performances from Devers and X) And then had a catastrophic season following that and I take last year's sample with more weight than 2 years ago when the success of the team is A. Weighted heavily on health since they don't have ANY depth. B. Old, injury prone starters. They barely had 5 pitchers when they had Price. I doubt the team felt they were close otherwise, they'd eat the cost. This. Team was so top heavy it's ridiculous. What happens if Sale goes down? What if Betts or Drew got hurt?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 22:05:19 GMT -5
Why trade a generational talent in a salary dump. I called it earlier. Pure bullshit. Henry should be shamed for forcing Price in this deal. Brutal return
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