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2013 Non-Sox MLB Discussion
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 13, 2013 15:07:28 GMT -5
Also worth noting that those HBPs are helping to prop up an OBP that frequently flirts with unacceptable levels for a corner OF.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 13, 2013 15:21:53 GMT -5
And by the way, "he hit me first" does not get you off an assault charge. It doesn't even get a toddler excused from hitting his sibling. But apparently we can't hold the adults who play baseball to these basic standards. So what Quentin did was assault and what Greinke did was not? If Quentin had not charged mound, would we be even talking about it? No, because that sort of crap happens nearly every game. If anyone can give me a good argument why beaning someone is not as bad or worse as charging the mound, boy, it would be the first time.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 13, 2013 15:53:27 GMT -5
And by the way, "he hit me first" does not get you off an assault charge. It doesn't even get a toddler excused from hitting his sibling. But apparently we can't hold the adults who play baseball to these basic standards. So what Quentin did was assault and what Greinke did was not? If Quentin had not charged mound, would we be even talking about it? No, because that sort of crap happens nearly every game. If anyone can give me a good argument why beaning someone is not as bad or worse as charging the mound, boy, it would be the first time.Dude, I AGREE with you. You just DELETED that part of my post. Way to argue.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 13, 2013 16:18:09 GMT -5
The second part wasn't meant to you or anyone specifically, bad writing on my part.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Apr 13, 2013 16:31:21 GMT -5
So what Quentin did was assault and what Greinke did was not? If Quentin had not charged mound, would we be even talking about it? No, because that sort of crap happens nearly every game. If anyone can give me a good argument why beaning someone is not as bad or worse as charging the mound, boy, it would be the first time. If they beaning was intentional then I would agree with you, but I think there is enough evidence to think it was not.
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Post by elguapo on Apr 13, 2013 18:35:33 GMT -5
If they beaning was intentional then I would agree with you, but I think there is enough evidence to think it was not. Not to mention the other two severity factors: It was not at/near the head. The batter could reasonably have avoided the pitch entirely.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 14, 2013 21:17:23 GMT -5
The comments miss my point. I have no idea if this was a brushback or intentional. I don't think that's what it was about at all. Instead, Quentin appears to have had it and he decided to use the rush at Greinke to send a message. I don't think it had much to do with this particular game at all.
And by the way, this isn't a legal proceeding, with probable cause findings and discovery. It's baseball. Pitchers and batters have been fighting for a chunk of the plate since the game was first played 170+ years ago. This is just more of the same. I'm sorry Greinke decided he wanted to curse the guy and then felt he had to hang in there, I think that was a mistake. And I really don't see any reason to call either he or Quentin names. That's childish. They've both been in the league long enough to understand the stakes. If every player who tries to crowd the plate was declared a moron, we'd fill half the state hospitals.
He's apparently been an easy mark in the past. We'll see how that goes moving forward.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Apr 14, 2013 22:02:23 GMT -5
Fangraphs is a wondeful site for many reasons, and to add to the great work they do Dave Cameron posted an article today about Quentin's tendencey to get hit by pitches. Pretty much it states that of the 95 times that he has been plunked 30 of those pitches have been in a zone that only hits the batter .02% of the time or less. (He actually has been also "beaned" by four stikes. So yeah Quentin is a fracking duechebag, who practically cheats to get on base and steal the inner third of the strike zone from the pitcher. Then he has the balls to injure a guy who is alomst 50 pounds lighter than him. That is a puto move.
If I'm the Dodgers, I sign Julian Taveras to a minor league contract and when rosters expand call him up for a home series in August against the Padres. Heck maybe we just found a team that would be interested in aquiring the services of Aceves. (This is in jest - BTW)
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Post by elguapo on Apr 14, 2013 22:12:40 GMT -5
He's apparently been an easy mark in the past. We'll see how that goes moving forward. What do you expect to change? Pitchers will give in and stop pitching him inside? I highly doubt it. Quentin will back off the plate - or at least try to avoid inside pitches - or temper his paranoid delusion that pitchers around the league are out to get him? Seems unlikely based on his comments. The most likely result I would imagine (though still fairly unlikely) is an escalation where the Dodgers start headhunting Padres in retaliation and every high and tight results in a pissing contest until the league puts an end to it.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 15, 2013 0:09:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure one trip to the mound after being hit 100 times constitutes paranoia. And you're right, this may escalate. There are dozens of episodes of retaliation, the reasons for some of them probably lost in time they go back so far.
Again, that's baseball. But I don't agree that there should be some sort of perceived symmetry in the penalties. I think that he was trying to make a statement. I have no idea how effective that will be. So I'm going to check it out as the year progresses.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 15, 2013 17:51:16 GMT -5
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 17, 2013 11:57:15 GMT -5
The yanks playing sweet caroline for Boston was pretty cool.
Boston stopping playing sweet caroline would be even better, after one last time, would be pretty cool as well.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 18, 2013 20:27:16 GMT -5
Justin Upton hit his NINTH home run tonight. But hey, Martin Prado is, uhh, gritty or something, so it all evens out.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 18, 2013 21:36:05 GMT -5
How many walls has Upton run into though?
I feel bad for Prado, who's a solid player that doesn't deserve to be remembered forever as the guy the Braves traded for Upton. He gets a seat at the table next to Larry Anderson.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 18, 2013 21:39:48 GMT -5
Justin Upton hit his NINTH home run tonight. But hey, Martin Prado is, uhh, gritty or something, so it all evens out. I think this past offseason by Arizona might, given time, prove to be the most unbelievably moronic of all time. What's going on with the AZ teams? The Suns are the worst run team in the NBA right now, the Cardinals suck so much and who are the Coyotes?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 18, 2013 23:07:09 GMT -5
I can't speak to any of the other teams out there, but it's pretty clear to me that someone who's not Kevin Towers is pulling strings in that organization, and it's not good.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 19, 2013 12:17:22 GMT -5
Just looking at the A's lineup and struck as i was in the offseason by what a strong Red Sox presence is on there, with Coco Crisp, Brandon Moss, Josh Reddick, and now Jed Lowrie doing his Jed Williams thing for a while until he gets hurt ... but I was also struck by just how bad Josh Reddick's start has been. SSS to the point of irrelevance for this season, but add it to his second half and playoffs last year, and it's looking a little too much like a trend.
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Post by elguapo on Apr 19, 2013 12:44:23 GMT -5
... but I was also struck by just how bad Josh Reddick's start has been. SSS to the point of irrelevance for this season, but add it to his second half and playoffs last year, and it's looking a little too much like a trend. Hmm...guapo bait. I will resist, for now. It's early & he has a good K/BB ratio. More later!
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 19, 2013 12:48:49 GMT -5
Is the small sample size his poor start this season, or his hot start last season? Since joining the A's, his line is .234/.302/.449. That sounds about right, and it's not a plus as a starting major league corner outfielder, no matter how good his defense is. He swings and misses at too many curveballs. His defense and power make him a solid fourth outfielder, but all of the bellyaching over the Bailey trade seems funny now.
In Billy Beane's prime he'd have flipped Reddick after last season, but other teams have gotten smarter.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 19, 2013 12:49:10 GMT -5
I didn't realize that Roger Angell was still writing. He's an amazing writer who even in his 90s still has a way with words. Glad to see he's still writing, and it's amazing what this man recollects.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 19, 2013 13:17:00 GMT -5
Ran into this a few weeks ago in the Wall Street Journal, and I don't know that anyone's posted on it yet. Scott Boras has serious competition, someone who just lifted his biggest fish out his net and dragged him onto his boat. Jay-Z has partnered with CAA Sports in a new agency, and Robinson Cano has signed with them. Thought it might be an April Fools' joke at first. But it's legit.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 19, 2013 13:57:30 GMT -5
Reddick is actually posting great K/BB numbers, at least by his standards, and a .121 BABIP right now. The power hasn't shown up yet, but it's early. I think that trade is still a loser for the Sox but it's not like it's some kind of franchise-altering fiasco.
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Post by charliezink16 on Apr 22, 2013 3:05:31 GMT -5
Obviously, it's too early to draw conclusions from the trade, but it's worth updating those who haven't checked on the progress of who we traded in the Hanrahan trade.
Jerry Sands(AAA): (.148/.207/.148) 8/54, 0 HR, 4 RBI, 4BB/14K Ivan DeJesus(AAA): (.261/.321/.348) 6/23, 0HR, 3 RBI, 3BB/4K Stolmy Pimentel(AA): 0-0, 0.52 ERA, 17.1IP 10H 1ER, 15K/8BB Mark Melancon(PIT): 0-0, 0.82 ERA, 11IP 4H 1ER, 10K/0BB
I live in Pittsburgh right now, and the general vibe from the sports community is quite positive. There are posters here who feared that Melancon would maybe even outperform Hanrahan, and he's been lights out in the set-up role in front of Jason Grilli. The reason I bring this up though is to ask about Stolmy Pimentel. Chris, I know you are working for BP now, thus scouting a wider range of prospects, so I was wondering if you have seen him pitch yet this year. If so, are there any differences/developments in his game that have helped him adapt in Pittsburgh? And I'm not fully basing this off of 3 starts as he was, reportedly, excellent in spring training. Additionally, his slider has supposedly shown much improvement. SP's report on his slider reads: "Scrapped curveball in the middle of 2011 season in favor of a slider. Works 82-89 mph with varying rotation and depth. Breaks sharply off the table at 86-89 mph and shows tight late break like a power slider or cutter. Pitch is slurvy at 82-84 mph. and tends to spin. Shows command and feel for the offering. Plus potential." Again, it's a SSS, but he seems to have made improvements. Can his current success be attributed to an improved slider or is this expected out of a 23-year old 3-peating AA. When I saw him with Portland last year, he seemed to be a bit out of shape (IMO), so has he trimmed down at all? Regardless, with only one option remaining a mid-season promotion is definitely in the works, so I'm still not worried about the "opportunity cost" of trading for Hanrahan. Has anyone else seen Pimentel this year/spring? Thoughts?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 22, 2013 22:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by honkbal on Apr 23, 2013 10:51:26 GMT -5
SSS and arbitrary cut-off curiosity: In the AL right now, 4 of the top 6 ERAs belong to former Sox Prospects.
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