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Post by bluechip on Aug 5, 2013 13:17:49 GMT -5
espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9540076/mlb-suspensions-agreed-12-players-reports-sayThat has got to be crushing to the Rangers. The Rangers basically said they would not resign Cruz if he accepted the suspension. From his perspective, he probably would not have had any or much interest on the free agent market if he was looking at a fifty game suspension to start next season. I would not be opposed to him playing the Green Monster next season.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 5, 2013 13:56:16 GMT -5
We could use that boomstick.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 5, 2013 14:12:27 GMT -5
I would love to hear a lawyer for MLB argue that, even though this is a first offense for ARoid since testing was instituted that he deserved more than 50 games - i.e. more than if he was caught by the test he was beating - simply because he admitted that he used pre-testing. MLB's line so far is because he lied and conspired in attempts to not get caught. Which is basically equivalent to anyone who was using (lying/cheating) and beating the test (conspiring to avoid prosecution). I'd love it if the arbiter gives him 50 (or less). I think it is more that a-rod tried to by and destroy the evidence before MLB got it. If he didn't do that it would be a 50 What's the difference between that and using a masking substance to hide the fact that you took PEDs? That also destroys the evidence.
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 5, 2013 14:20:11 GMT -5
I think it is more that a-rod tried to by and destroy the evidence before MLB got it. If he didn't do that it would be a 50 What's the difference between that and using a masking substance to hide the fact that you took PEDs? That also destroys the evidence. shoplifting a candybar and robbing a bank are both stealing.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 5, 2013 15:33:59 GMT -5
What's the difference between that and using a masking substance to hide the fact that you took PEDs? That also destroys the evidence. shoplifting a candybar and robbing a bank are both stealing. Talking about the cover-up, not the crime. They both stole the candy bar. One group wiped away the finger prints. The other tried to erase the store video. What's the dif? And I love it when the paid for testimony of a felon is enough to convict without a trial. This should go well.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 5, 2013 16:17:36 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on Aug 5, 2013 16:24:01 GMT -5
And I love it when the paid for testimony of a felon is enough to convict without a trial. This should go well. It's not a criminal case, it's employer-employee relations.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 5, 2013 16:24:13 GMT -5
And I love it when the paid for testimony of a felon is enough to convict without a trial. This should go well. Every other player took the penalty. And, last I checked, Tony Bosch is not (yet) a convicted felon. Even if he was, you think that he is not telling the truth? The evidence shows otherwise. Further, the MLB is not a court and does not need to meet the standards - either evidentiary or in terms of reaching a decision - of a court of legal jurisdiction.
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Post by rangoon82 on Aug 5, 2013 16:40:22 GMT -5
Classic steroid user profiles: big-bodied home run hitters, every one of 'em. Growth hormone is not the same thing as steroids. I'm not really sure what drug does what but I think these two substances allegedly enhance performance in different ways.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 5, 2013 16:45:34 GMT -5
And I love it when the paid for testimony of a felon is enough to convict without a trial. This should go well. Every other player took the penalty. And, last I checked, Tony Bosch is not (yet) a convicted felon. Even if he was, you think that he is not telling the truth? The evidence shows otherwise. Further, the MLB is not a court and does not need to meet the standards - either evidentiary or in terms of reaching a decision - of a court of legal jurisdiction. Every other player was given the penalty of a first offense. There's nothing in the CBA about a 211 game penalty. I agree that the MLB doesn't need to meet the standards of a conviction, because Rodriguez isn't charged with a crime, but if they've violated the terms of the collective bargaining agreement with a contracted employee then I can't see how an arbitrator would uphold it.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 5, 2013 17:00:03 GMT -5
Classic steroid user profiles: big-bodied home run hitters, every one of 'em. Growth hormone is not the same thing as steroids. I'm not really sure what drug does what but I think these two substances allegedly enhance performance in different ways.No one really knows how any of the substances effect performance. Supposedly "steroids" enhance power. But power on contact isn't down since the "steroid era", batters are just making less contact. So I guess now it'll be time to move the goalposts and retroactively decide that steroids actually help hitters make contact. Maybe we can put some asterisks next to those high batting averages Jeter and Nomar put up back in the day.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 5, 2013 17:25:44 GMT -5
Every other player took the penalty. And, last I checked, Tony Bosch is not (yet) a convicted felon. Even if he was, you think that he is not telling the truth? The evidence shows otherwise. Further, the MLB is not a court and does not need to meet the standards - either evidentiary or in terms of reaching a decision - of a court of legal jurisdiction. Every other player was given the penalty of a first offense. There's nothing in the CBA about a 211 game penalty. I agree that the MLB doesn't need to meet the standards of a conviction, because Rodriguez isn't charged with a crime, but if they've violated the terms of the collective bargaining agreement with a contracted employee then I can't see how an arbitrator would uphold it. Rodriguez's discipline under the Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program is based on his use and possession of numerous forms of prohibited performance-enhancing substances, including Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone, over the course of multiple years," Major League Baseball said in a statement. "Rodriguez's discipline under the Basic Agreement is for attempting to cover up his violations of the Program by engaging in a course of conduct intended to obstruct and frustrate the Office of the Commissioner's investigation." In other words, he received 50 games for a first offense penalty and the remainder under the basic agreement for obstruction of the investigation and the cover-up. I suspect he'll end up agreeing to 150-game penalty in the offseason.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 5, 2013 18:39:26 GMT -5
Yeah I think what he is looking for is a reduction of the penalty not to try to prove he didn't use anything.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 5, 2013 18:48:44 GMT -5
Interesting comments by Gomes and Victorino complaining about players' dues being used to help Arod with his appeal against MLB. Just when you think Arod couldn't be more despised, he finds yet another way to alienate people when the evidence has to be so overwhelming against him. I suspect that MLB, the Yankees and the majority of players just want Arod to disappear as every time he plays he serves to further embarass each of them with his lies and blatant disregard for rules.
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Post by bjb406 on Aug 5, 2013 19:11:41 GMT -5
Is there any danger of the yankees finding a way to weasel their way out of paying him his contract? Because I think that is what this is about. That would be bullshit.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 5, 2013 19:18:45 GMT -5
Every other player took the penalty. And, last I checked, Tony Bosch is not (yet) a convicted felon. Even if he was, you think that he is not telling the truth? The evidence shows otherwise. Further, the MLB is not a court and does not need to meet the standards - either evidentiary or in terms of reaching a decision - of a court of legal jurisdiction. Every other player was given the penalty of a first offense. There's nothing in the CBA about a 211 game penalty. I agree that the MLB doesn't need to meet the standards of a conviction, because Rodriguez isn't charged with a crime, but if they've violated the terms of the collective bargaining agreement with a contracted employee then I can't see how an arbitrator would uphold it. Agree with this for the most part. They have a contract (CBA) but Bud seems to think he can override that. I could see 50 games, or perhaps 100 if they want to say that this is his second offense, with the first coming before the drug policy came into force. But the latter creates a sIippery slope that the new CBA was specifically created to avoid. Regardless, I want ARoid to fight this to the full extent of his capabilities and serve the shortest suspension possible - and every Red Sox fan should want the same. The goal is not to punish Rodriguez with some trumped up number of games that exceeds what he'd get if he actually failed a test. He's 38 and at this point who really cares. I want the Yankees to keep that money on the books and be financially liable for the maximum lux tax as long as possible. Period. They signed him, now let them deal with it.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 5, 2013 19:27:31 GMT -5
This is going to turn into a complete CIRCUS! I seriously hope AROD hits a home run; just to get Yankee fans hopes up...
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Post by dfwsox on Aug 7, 2013 13:48:29 GMT -5
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Post by dfwsox on Aug 7, 2013 13:51:16 GMT -5
Just noticed this is on most of the staffs twitter feed also. haha Didnt notice that.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 8, 2013 18:16:39 GMT -5
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 8, 2013 18:32:15 GMT -5
Oh those darn "stat guys". They're even worse than the boogie man...
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 8, 2013 18:43:14 GMT -5
Oh those darn "stat guys". They're even worse than the boogie man... Nah, they just tend to dismiss anything they can't explain with math.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 8, 2013 18:57:39 GMT -5
The Tigers are having Indians for breakfast, lunch and dinner... after winning the first 3 games of the series they have now provided Scherzer with a 5-0 lead towards his 17th win...
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Post by beasleyrockah on Aug 8, 2013 19:16:24 GMT -5
Oh those darn "stat guys". They're even worse than the boogie man... Nah, they just tend to dismiss anything they can't explain with math. As opposed to the traditionalists who dismiss math when it goes against things they want to be true.
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Post by bentossaurus on Aug 8, 2013 19:27:45 GMT -5
Well, for starters Bonds was better.
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