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Post by texs31 on Oct 10, 2020 10:00:35 GMT -5
I clearly didn't do the article justice.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 10, 2020 13:49:48 GMT -5
Were the four bullet points not what Hollinger would do if GM? I'm confused because Texas wrote it and RJP liked it, so it seems the two people who have the article agreed. I bet it included a bunch of other stuff, yet that doesn't change the path he picked no?
If his path was trade Kanter and VP for Nance we could debate that. Like why in God's name he thinks Nance is worth the 14th pick. How he goes from saying you can unload those two for the 30th pick for a high second, thus he's basically saying Nance is worth like the 16th pick, which is crazy. Now you'd think Nance would be some great defensive player given his athletic ability, he just isn't. Sure he's better than Grant Williams, yet that a massive price to pay to for not a huge increase.
Hollinger should stick to his PER and WARP type stuff. That was some interesting stuff.
If you want to use the 14th pick why not offer that for Turner? Include VP, Kanter, Grant Williams, Edwards, etc. Tell them it's their chance to pull a Leonard trade in reverse. It cements your top six and is likely the best you can do if you want to keep Hayward. Heck throw in the 30th pick if you have to, include Theis if you have to, make it a three team trade. As long as it doesn't include Robert Williams or Langford I'm game. Heck twist my hand hard enough I'd include all three picks if it didn't include Theis. Who you could then flip for a pick or guard help. If your trading that 14th pick you need to be getting a guy like Turner, not Nance. He's the perfect fit and if you keep Hayward you'll have great depth. Gives you a year to see if it works and if you want to keep Hayward or let him go to save money. Gives you a long-term core of Tatum, Brown, Turner and Smart.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 11, 2020 8:02:13 GMT -5
I don't have to agree with an article to find a position interesting and the defense of it sound.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 11, 2020 9:32:29 GMT -5
I don't have to agree with an article to find a position interesting and the defense of it sound. Worth noting that Hollinger didn’t pick a path either. |
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Post by philarhody on Oct 11, 2020 11:54:36 GMT -5
Trading Kemba has to be on the table. I don’t know what you get for him. He was the biggest liability in the Heat series and totally got exposed in my opinion. The Celtics routinely had 4 other plus defenders around him and it wasn’t enough. Furthermore, he couldn’t penetrate the Heat defense, enabling Miami to rest in Zone and crush the Celtics in crunch time.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2020 12:29:22 GMT -5
In an article for the Athletic, John Hollinger presents an offseason path that few Cs fans will be happy with. Basically . . . - Use the 30th pick to incentivize a team to take Kanter and Poirier in exchange for a 2nd (of course, assuming Kanter opts in) - Use 26 on Bolmaro and stash him over seas - Trade 14 for a future 1st. - Use their exception on an upgrade for Wannamker The idea is to maintain as much flexibility as they state down a future luxury tax bill. Figure out which of the young players (Langford and the Williams') can step up to be a part of a championship caliber rotation. Then make a move at the deadline (with the extra future pick as an added bullet) to pick up a player that gives them a push. I neither endorse nor decry but present for discussion. Okay after days we finally get some information. This isn't his path he picked and this isn't close to what he said. Good to know. 🤯 |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 11, 2020 12:34:37 GMT -5
Trading Kemba has to be on the table. I don’t know what you get for him. He was the biggest liability in the Heat series and totally got exposed in my opinion. The Celtics routinely had 4 other plus defenders around him and it wasn’t enough. Furthermore, he couldn’t penetrate the Heat defense, enabling Miami to rest in Zone and crush the Celtics in crunch time. A team who has trouble attracting Max quality free agents isn’t going to turn around and trade a guy who is universally loved and made the team better especially when you’re judging him in the playoffs when he was not at 100%. And even if we want to say he was fine physically, he just didn’t do great in the playoffs, it was his first really playoff experience. Guys learn - that’s why we call it experience. So I guess, no trading Kemba is not on the table. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2020 12:41:34 GMT -5
Should have kept Rozier, I miss Scary Terry!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2020 14:37:31 GMT -5
I keep hearing that, Celtics have trouble attracting max free agents. Yet we've signed three of them in five years. The Celtics like most teams have problems attracting good players when they suck, even the Lakers had a crazy rough stretch for like a decade until LeBron, heck even with him they still couldn't get other stars, so they had to trade the whole team for one. Has any team signed more than we have in the last five years? What changed? A proven GM, a good coach and a bright future. Trading Walker doesn't change any of that. Players will still want to play with Tatum and Brown.
Experience can help in a lot of things. It's not going to help Walkers D and how teams will exploit that. Teams will just copy the Heat and you'll see much more of it. Experience won't change the fact that Walker struggles to finish through contact in the playoffs when the refs start to just let the guys play. Which results in him changing how he plays. I certain he could play better, yet massive issues will always remain.
Put a gun to Danny's head and if he knew Tatum and Brown would take this leap, he'd likely tell you he wouldn't have signed Walker. He was signed to be the scoring leader on this team and was the 3rd guy in the playoffs. Both have no issues in the playoffs unlike Walker.
Seriously a 23 year old Terry Rozier put up better numbers in a lot of areas in the 2018 playoffs than Walker just did and he's only gotten better as a player. BTW that was his first real playoff run also. First time he started a playoff game, unlike Walker who had started in 11 playoff games.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 11, 2020 16:43:11 GMT -5
I’m going to ignore the Rozier is better for this team than Walker nonsense...
But yes. They’ve proven they can sign a max free agent who’s not a true number 1 type player with no competition to sign them. Hayward is the one who they had competition for but we know the story there. Horford and Walker both weren’t offered max contracts by the teams they were leaving and they were the Celtics competition. When we start getting marque free agents over other teams then we can talk but that hasn’t happened yet. That even applies to marque midlevel or vet minimum guys. Maybe you’ll be proven correct and that will change when guys want to play with in their primes Tatum and Brown, but to this point all they’ve done is outspend someone else and have a guys college coach.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 11, 2020 17:23:45 GMT -5
I don't think it's nonsense to say Rozier is a better fit style wise, age wise and contract wise. You hope talent wise trumps fit, yet that didn't happen in the playoffs.
So now it's we can't attract what one of the 4/5 guys in twenty plus years to change teams? You basically have Shaq, LeBron, Leonard, Durant and I'm drawing a blank. Those almost never happen. I'm good with that, your basically saying we aren't LA or a crazy lucky Golden State team that got the cap to almost double after being maxed out or the Heat because Wade and LeBron were good friends.
The fact this is brought up when talking about Walker isn't good. You should be able to make a case that doesn't involve that crap. The Clippers signed Griffen and traded him, didn't stop Leonard. Worry about the team and the free agents will come. A Championship means 100% more than trading Walker does.
We didn't get many talented free agents to join the 2008- teams? I remember a bunch of them, as we were top contenders. 2019 team had no room, we weren't seen as cream of the crop this year yet still got some very good players. If Ibaka plays for the mid level were in play. That's all you can really ask for. That you actually have a chance, that he'd consider the Celtics. Players flock to the best teams more than just location. It's why players are coming here now, we keep making the conference finals.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 11, 2020 19:28:45 GMT -5
In an article for the Athletic, John Hollinger presents an offseason path that few Cs fans will be happy with. Basically . . . - Use the 30th pick to incentivize a team to take Kanter and Poirier in exchange for a 2nd (of course, assuming Kanter opts in) - Use 26 on Bolmaro and stash him over seas - Trade 14 for a future 1st. - Use their exception on an upgrade for Wannamker The idea is to maintain as much flexibility as they state down a future luxury tax bill. Figure out which of the young players (Langford and the Williams') can step up to be a part of a championship caliber rotation. Then make a move at the deadline (with the extra future pick as an added bullet) to pick up a player that gives them a push. I neither endorse nor decry but present for discussion. Okay after days we finally get some information. This isn't his path he picked and this isn't close to what he said. Good to know. 🤯 The section where he describes the scenario that I presented is labeled "The Best Path Forward". I know if IM going to be an A$$ I make sure I have all the info first. |
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Post by philarhody on Oct 11, 2020 21:18:06 GMT -5
Trading Kemba has to be on the table. I don’t know what you get for him. He was the biggest liability in the Heat series and totally got exposed in my opinion. The Celtics routinely had 4 other plus defenders around him and it wasn’t enough. Furthermore, he couldn’t penetrate the Heat defense, enabling Miami to rest in Zone and crush the Celtics in crunch time. A team who has trouble attracting Max quality free agents isn’t going to turn around and trade a guy who is universally loved and made the team better especially when you’re judging him in the playoffs when he was not at 100%. And even if we want to say he was fine physically, he just didn’t do great in the playoffs, it was his first really playoff experience. Guys learn - that’s why we call it experience. So I guess, no trading Kemba is not on the table. Kemba is 30 years old. Unless by learning you mean growing three inches and getting new knees, what you saw with Kemba is basically what he is going to be in the playoffs. MAYBE he shoots better from 3 in the playoffs. But he relies so heavily on pull-ups that are right at the 3 pt line, he has no room for margin when facing playoff lineups. This isn’t Damien Lillard who shoots pull-ups and step backs from 29 ft out. Kemba needs drop pick and roll coverage to succeed as a pull-up shooter. The problem with that is in the playoffs, teams get switchier and more athletic. I understand both you and Don’s worries about the optics of trading a superstar after just signing him in free agency. I think it is a really good point. But unless you win now, you aren’t getting Tatum and Brown beyond their next contracts anyway. If you could turn Kemba into Killian Hayes and Julian Randle, maybe the luxury tax isn’t quite as heavy, And you can continue to build around your young core |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 12, 2020 5:55:53 GMT -5
A team who has trouble attracting Max quality free agents isn’t going to turn around and trade a guy who is universally loved and made the team better especially when you’re judging him in the playoffs when he was not at 100%. And even if we want to say he was fine physically, he just didn’t do great in the playoffs, it was his first really playoff experience. Guys learn - that’s why we call it experience. So I guess, no trading Kemba is not on the table. Kemba is 30 years old. Unless by learning you mean growing three inches and getting new knees, what you saw with Kemba is basically what he is going to be in the playoffs. MAYBE he shoots better from 3 in the playoffs. But he relies so heavily on pull-ups that are right at the 3 pt line, he has no room for margin when facing playoff lineups. This isn’t Damien Lillard who shoots pull-ups and step backs from 29 ft out. Kemba needs drop pick and roll coverage to succeed as a pull-up shooter. The problem with that is in the playoffs, teams get switchier and more athletic. I understand both you and Don’s worries about the optics of trading a superstar after just signing him in free agency. I think it is a really good point. But unless you win now, you aren’t getting Tatum and Brown beyond their next contracts anyway. If you could turn Kemba into Killian Hayes and Julian Randle, maybe the luxury tax isn’t quite as heavy, And you can continue to build around your young core So let me get this straight - you want to win now so you’re trading Kemba for Killian Hayes and Julius Randle? Kemba is the type of star I want in the locker room leading these young players. I’m not arguing Kemba is the perfect player for this team, but if you think trading him for lessor players is going to help you be better and keep Tatum or Brown happy, I disagree with you. Show me a trade that makes sense that’s realistic and we can talk. Kemba is good enough to help the team. He’s more positive than negative. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 12, 2020 6:00:32 GMT -5
There are a lot of reasons the team didn’t advance and one of them is Tatum isn’t the veteran super star yet that could complete control things on the offensive end. This isn’t a knock on him, he’s not supposed to be. He did things at his age they basically no one else has in the history of the league. But they fell apart a lot late in close games. Super star Tatum doesn’t let that happen. He’s in control and calms everything down etc etc. That could be him as early as next year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 12, 2020 6:20:26 GMT -5
I don't think it's nonsense to say Rozier is a better fit style wise, age wise and contract wise. You hope talent wise trumps fit, yet that didn't happen in the playoffs. So now it's we can't attract what one of the 4/5 guys in twenty plus years to change teams? You basically have Shaq, LeBron, Leonard, Durant and I'm drawing a blank. Those almost never happen. I'm good with that, your basically saying we aren't LA or a crazy lucky Golden State team that got the cap to almost double after being maxed out or the Heat because Wade and LeBron were good friends. The fact this is brought up when talking about Walker isn't good. You should be able to make a case that doesn't involve that crap. The Clippers signed Griffen and traded him, didn't stop Leonard. Worry about the team and the free agents will come. A Championship means 100% more than trading Walker does. We didn't get many talented free agents to join the 2008- teams? I remember a bunch of them, as we were top contenders. 2019 team had no room, we weren't seen as cream of the crop this year yet still got some very good players. If Ibaka plays for the mid level were in play. That's all you can really ask for. That you actually have a chance, that he'd consider the Celtics. Players flock to the best teams more than just location. It's why players are coming here now, we keep making the conference finals. Who were the talented free agents that they signed in 2008 and 2009? A washed up Marbury? A retired PJ Brown? Both signed in February. I’m not going to argue with you about Rozier, you’ve long thought he’s the man for here, I get it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 12, 2020 6:35:49 GMT -5
Also, my original comment wasn’t my argument for keeping Walker. I was simply saying what’s not going to happen and a simple reason why. The Celtics aren’t going to entertain trading Kemba, and there are a lot of reason. I can’t think of an example where a team signed a Max free agent, he was universally loved, the team exceeded expectations and he played well then was traded right away. Make no mistake you all LOVED Kemba and his fit until he injured his knee. And I’m pretty sure i was the first one to raise alarm bells about the long term affects of this knee and how we should be concerned (despite that point being dismissed by some cough cough..)
You’d need to do a lot of mental gymnastics to make Blake Griffin fit into any of that. Chris Paul was traded for and extended before being traded and there were locker room issues. Don’t think he was looking to stay there.
It just doesn’t happen, that was my point and it’s especially not going to happen here. So we can waste our time talking about it if you want but you’re suggesting unrealistic stuff.
But if someone wants to present a trade that makes any amount of sense that includes Kemba I’ll listen.
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Post by philarhody on Oct 12, 2020 11:51:34 GMT -5
Kemba is 30 years old. Unless by learning you mean growing three inches and getting new knees, what you saw with Kemba is basically what he is going to be in the playoffs. MAYBE he shoots better from 3 in the playoffs. But he relies so heavily on pull-ups that are right at the 3 pt line, he has no room for margin when facing playoff lineups. This isn’t Damien Lillard who shoots pull-ups and step backs from 29 ft out. Kemba needs drop pick and roll coverage to succeed as a pull-up shooter. The problem with that is in the playoffs, teams get switchier and more athletic. I understand both you and Don’s worries about the optics of trading a superstar after just signing him in free agency. I think it is a really good point. But unless you win now, you aren’t getting Tatum and Brown beyond their next contracts anyway. If you could turn Kemba into Killian Hayes and Julian Randle, maybe the luxury tax isn’t quite as heavy, And you can continue to build around your young core So let me get this straight - you want to win now so you’re trading Kemba for Killian Hayes and Julius Randle? Kemba is the type of star I want in the locker room leading these young players. I’m not arguing Kemba is the perfect player for this team, but if you think trading him for lessor players is going to help you be better and keep Tatum or Brown happy, I disagree with you. Show me a trade that makes sense that’s realistic and we can talk. Kemba is good enough to help the team. He’s more positive than negative. Yes. I am saying that trading Kemba for Hayes and Randle would be a net positive. Kemba’s defense was embarrassing in the playoffs. And he didn’t have the pull-up game to matter very much on offense. I’m worried that the league figured him out with the zone thing and I’m worried that he has knee issues with no surgery in sight and I’m worried that he’s 6 foot nothing and I’m worried that he’s not super athletic and I’m worried that he’s thirty. So yeh, getting Hayes for him would be a major coup. I’m not arguing that he is a great locker room guy. Between him and Kyrie, it’s night and day. But you don’t need to pay a great locker room guy 38 million dollars. Especially when he’s 34, can’t play defense, and is tiny. This Kemba contract is a problem and the trajectory of the asset is pointed downward. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 12, 2020 12:17:19 GMT -5
Okay after days we finally get some information. This isn't his path he picked and this isn't close to what he said. Good to know. 🤯 The section where he describes the scenario that I presented is labeled "The Best Path Forward". I know if IM going to be an A$$ I make sure I have all the info first. I apologise then, I was going off of RJP comments which say the exact opposite of yours. I certainly agree best path forward is picking a plan. I am also getting the athletic later tonight, 6 bucks for six months. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 12, 2020 12:27:44 GMT -5
I don't think it's nonsense to say Rozier is a better fit style wise, age wise and contract wise. You hope talent wise trumps fit, yet that didn't happen in the playoffs. So now it's we can't attract what one of the 4/5 guys in twenty plus years to change teams? You basically have Shaq, LeBron, Leonard, Durant and I'm drawing a blank. Those almost never happen. I'm good with that, your basically saying we aren't LA or a crazy lucky Golden State team that got the cap to almost double after being maxed out or the Heat because Wade and LeBron were good friends. The fact this is brought up when talking about Walker isn't good. You should be able to make a case that doesn't involve that crap. The Clippers signed Griffen and traded him, didn't stop Leonard. Worry about the team and the free agents will come. A Championship means 100% more than trading Walker does. We didn't get many talented free agents to join the 2008- teams? I remember a bunch of them, as we were top contenders. 2019 team had no room, we weren't seen as cream of the crop this year yet still got some very good players. If Ibaka plays for the mid level were in play. That's all you can really ask for. That you actually have a chance, that he'd consider the Celtics. Players flock to the best teams more than just location. It's why players are coming here now, we keep making the conference finals. Who were the talented free agents that they signed in 2008 and 2009? A washed up Marbury? A retired PJ Brown? Both signed in February. I’m not going to argue with you about Rozier, you’ve long thought he’s the man for here, I get it. Brown was massive, what the hell do you think are good buyout guys? They are players teams can't trade that are overpaid. They also signed Wallace and Shaq, two huge signings. I'm sorry but your take doesn't hold up. It really is we aren't LA. The narrative from the 90s is gone, that's what your talking about the 90s to 2007. 2008 on we've been one of the better teams at attracting free agents. Well Rozier fits the system and he keeps getting better. He just shot 40% from three on the year. He's not huge, yet with his 6'8" wingspan and athletic ability he never got targeted on D either. Walker needs to be elite on offense to offset everything else and he wasn't close. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 12, 2020 12:51:17 GMT -5
Also, my original comment wasn’t my argument for keeping Walker. I was simply saying what’s not going to happen and a simple reason why. The Celtics aren’t going to entertain trading Kemba, and there are a lot of reason. I can’t think of an example where a team signed a Max free agent, he was universally loved, the team exceeded expectations and he played well then was traded right away. Make no mistake you all LOVED Kemba and his fit until he injured his knee. And I’m pretty sure i was the first one to raise alarm bells about the long term affects of this knee and how we should be concerned (despite that point being dismissed by some cough cough..) You’d need to do a lot of mental gymnastics to make Blake Griffin fit into any of that. Chris Paul was traded for and extended before being traded and there were locker room issues. Don’t think he was looking to stay there. It just doesn’t happen, that was my point and it’s especially not going to happen here. So we can waste our time talking about it if you want but you’re suggesting unrealistic stuff. But if someone wants to present a trade that makes any amount of sense that includes Kemba I’ll listen. We would have loved Danny Ainge at PG after the mess that was Irving. A guy you defended if you want to play that game. You can't tell about a team until the playoffs, it's just different. Teams actually game plan and adjust unlike the regular season. Walker got exposed and it just kept getting worse. The only way that works is if he's crazy elite on offense, he put up worse advanced numbers than Rozier two years ago. We have four elite or darn near elite defenders and then a huge hole in Walker. The team is build on D, not offense. If it wasn't you'd just play Kanter 30 minutes a night. Walker was a great teammate, gave 100%, did everything he could on D. Yet that's the problem, it's not like he just needs to try harder. Yet he's not a good fit, he should be a 6th man on the Celtics. You're the one who convinced me his knee is a big long-term issue. Now you just want to overlook that? Hope he some how gets better? Even with the shortest off-season in history coming up? They announced no surgery which confirms your theory even more. I was really hoping for a surgery, that gives you hope. I think bad fit and performance meet the criteria to look into trading him. Maybe there isn't a trade that makes sense. I just don't buy the don't trade him because of optics. The goal is winning and if a trade makes sense we should do it. Outside of an injured Hayward, he was easily the most disappointing player during the playoffs. Chris Paul played better in 2019 playoffs before they traded him. I mentioned Paul before we signed Walker and that's still an interesting idea. He's a much better defender and actually has one less year on his deal. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 12, 2020 14:50:46 GMT -5
Also, my original comment wasn’t my argument for keeping Walker. I was simply saying what’s not going to happen and a simple reason why. The Celtics aren’t going to entertain trading Kemba, and there are a lot of reason. I can’t think of an example where a team signed a Max free agent, he was universally loved, the team exceeded expectations and he played well then was traded right away. Make no mistake you all LOVED Kemba and his fit until he injured his knee. And I’m pretty sure i was the first one to raise alarm bells about the long term affects of this knee and how we should be concerned (despite that point being dismissed by some cough cough..) You’d need to do a lot of mental gymnastics to make Blake Griffin fit into any of that. Chris Paul was traded for and extended before being traded and there were locker room issues. Don’t think he was looking to stay there. It just doesn’t happen, that was my point and it’s especially not going to happen here. So we can waste our time talking about it if you want but you’re suggesting unrealistic stuff. But if someone wants to present a trade that makes any amount of sense that includes Kemba I’ll listen. We would have loved Danny Ainge at PG after the mess that was Irving. A guy you defended if you want to play that game. You can't tell about a team until the playoffs, it's just different. Teams actually game plan and adjust unlike the regular season. Walker got exposed and it just kept getting worse. The only way that works is if he's crazy elite on offense, he put up worse advanced numbers than Rozier two years ago. We have four elite or darn near elite defenders and then a huge hole in Walker. The team is build on D, not offense. If it wasn't you'd just play Kanter 30 minutes a night. Walker was a great teammate, gave 100%, did everything he could on D. Yet that's the problem, it's not like he just needs to try harder. Yet he's not a good fit, he should be a 6th man on the Celtics. You're the one who convinced me his knee is a big long-term issue. Now you just want to overlook that? Hope he some how gets better? Even with the shortest off-season in history coming up? They announced no surgery which confirms your theory even more. I was really hoping for a surgery, that gives you hope. I think bad fit and performance meet the criteria to look into trading him. Maybe there isn't a trade that makes sense. I just don't buy the don't trade him because of optics. The goal is winning and if a trade makes sense we should do it. Outside of an injured Hayward, he was easily the most disappointing player during the playoffs. Chris Paul played better in 2019 playoffs before they traded him. I mentioned Paul before we signed Walker and that's still an interesting idea. He's a much better defender and actually has one less year on his deal. You and I both know there’s a 0.0% chance the Celtics are trading Kemba. And since you know that’s true just ask yourself why they won’t. There’s your answer to this conversation. Also, let’s not just write off the locker room stability Kemba brought to this team after the previous season. We will never know but I wouldn’t just assume Brown and Tatum take their star leaps with Rozier here and not Kemba. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 12, 2020 15:12:56 GMT -5
Danny Ainge and his pride? He did the same damn thing with Irving. I truly believe it's not optics.
Yet people say Tatum wasn't ready, like you. Tatum was more than ready, if Walker was what he was supposed to be. It was never supposed to be Tatum and Brown as the top two options. If Walker was the top dawg he was brought into be we likely have a Championship.
The real question is does a trade makes sense?
I think you're overblowing Walkers leadership. Reports had Tatum reaching out to Irving for Advice during the playoffs. I'm sure he helped, he's a good teammate and team guy. Yet kinda hard to be the true leader if your not the best guy. Especially when Walker hasn't done anything in the playoffs ever. It was almost like Smart, Tatum and Brown having to show Walker what to do. They have many more playoff wins than Walker.
A trade is unlikely, just like when I would have traded Irving. That doesn't mean I wasn't right and we shouldn't debate if we should trade Walker. It's does trading Walker make us better now and in the future? Same crap with Hayward.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 12, 2020 18:56:20 GMT -5
They're not trading Kemba. We can debate all we want, but Danny is not trading Kemba. Although it might sound hypocritical since I've been advocating moving Hayward, the Celtics really need some roster stability. Brad made it to the ECF with 3 completely different teams, at some point they need to settle on one. Kemba, Smart, Brown and Tatum is a rock solid core, it needs more depth and a good big and that's it. No need to overthink this one.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 12, 2020 21:43:41 GMT -5
Jared Weiss and others are thinking that Kanter opts out.
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