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Red Sox Select Nick Yorke, 2B/SS, Mitty HS (CA)
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 11, 2020 10:45:41 GMT -5
At this point he's a blank slate, like most HS players. Whether the gambit works out will depend on how they can spend the money in the draft. I have a hard time getting worked up over a wildcard among the group of wildcard players, particularly if the rule says you have to pay a standard wildcard $3.6 mil. Why not reflect that risk by getting a second ticket? We get attached to the names at 17, but the college kids and moreso the HS ones like Soderstrom (sp?) and pitchers are big risks.
Question - let's say they don't get the kids they want in the 3rd, 4th or 5th, and have money left over, can that be added to the $20K for other players, do they just lose it?
I perfer offensive skills to a kid like Howard, whose calling card is defense. Lets hope Yorke can translate those to the minors.
In conclusion, to continue the bad puns, its up to you, Nick Yorke, Nick Yorke.
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Post by borisman on Jun 11, 2020 11:03:34 GMT -5
Steve, the max they can offer an undrafted player is 20k. They can't offer savings if they have $ left over from the draft.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 11, 2020 11:05:23 GMT -5
Can someone remind us of the rule? You have to offer x% of slot to get the pick next year if the guy dies not sign, right? What is x? You if the guy sign there is no floor on how little you give him, right?
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Post by ramireja on Jun 11, 2020 11:09:11 GMT -5
I won't post the actual videos here, but PG has a number of clips on Yorke's player page found here
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Post by jimoh on Jun 11, 2020 11:17:22 GMT -5
Trying to think of what kind of a Nostradamus you would have to be to draft Benintendi after his 700 OPS first year in college without his 1200 OPS his sophomore year.
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Post by kman22 on Jun 11, 2020 11:17:48 GMT -5
Can someone remind us of the rule? You have to offer x% of slot to get the pick next year if the guy dies not sign, right? What is x? You if the guy sign there is no floor on how little you give him, right? They have to offer at least 40% of the slot value.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2020 11:18:33 GMT -5
i am excited to follow the development (signing, of course) of our next league leading batter...Nick Youk....I mean, Nick Yorke.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2020 11:24:24 GMT -5
Why didn't the Sox just draft BPA and draft Yorke in the 3rd? Just mind-numbing. I understand the chances of him being available at 89 (what is slot, around $700k?) are a little better than 50/50 but who are you going to get at 89 that is ANYWHERE near as good of a prospect as you would have had at 17? I guess Manfred told the Sox he would take away their 1st rounder unless they drafted someone they would sign under slot ..hahaha... All of the rankings can't be wrong not having Yorke in the top 100. As bad of a farm system we have this kid won't even crack the top 15. They made clear on the call they didn't think he'd be there in the third. Bloom stated on the call that they felt that the industry perception on him was much higher than the public perception. The Tim Corbin comment, for example, seems to square with that, at least. At the very least, the team is higher on him than the public perception. There is also the issue of signability. If he needs $1.5M-$2M not to go to Arizona and you take him in the third, now you need $830k-$1.3M from somewhere else because slot in the third is only $668k. I think he was thought by some outlets to be unsignable because his number was higher than they thought he was worth. Instead, if you take him at 17 where your slot value is $3.6M, signing him for that amount gives you a million and a half dollars to use later if someone falls. I am not saying they are correct because I've never seen the kid play. But they have conviction in their evaluation of him and that is the right way to do it. They just need to be right. As we talked about with Mike Rikard on the podcast, teams' draft boards are very different from the media outlets' draft boards beyond the first dozen or two players. And I asked Toboni on the conference call last night if his sense that there might be even more variance this year given that there were no spring games and he agreed. There's no spring trackman data on these guys. Teams got fewer looks at guys in the spring. He used the same example I used in our draft preview podcast of Andrew Benintendi, saying after a month of games in 2015 he might not have gone in the top 100 that year (I don't even think he gets picked as a sophomore, but who knows). Your last sentence is where you lose me entirely. For starters, not all the rankings had him outside the top 100, there were two in which he was a top 100 prospect and ESPN had him 69th. Second, if he's not a top 15 prospect it's because the Sox drafted three other guys who were better than him today, but he's definitely a better prospect than 15 of the guys in the system currently. What I'm saying is the Sox had a chance to improve their system by drafting some high upside players like PCA, Mitchell or even Bitsko. It's a very dangerous game to play to point at the draft rankings and call a pick a bust on draft night. I'm not saying I think the draft rankings are wrong - who knows, maybe we wind up wishing they'd drafted a PCA or Soderstrom or something - but the certainty with which people are crushing this pick is pretty irritating. Is it fair to be disappointed? Sure. Fair to say that it's a terrible pick with certainty? I don't think that's the case. ----- The pick kind of reminds me of Hunter Dozier. He was ranked 39th on BA's list in 2013 and the Royals took him at 8 knowing they could save money, and they got Kyle Zimmer at their next pick with the cash saved. They also insisted that they liked Dozier and that seemed to work out alright (especially in that weird-ass draft...). Worked out better than the Red Sox picking a higher-ranked guy the pick before at least! I'm also reminded of Jon Denney a bit in a different sense. He fell to the Sox in the third after all the outlets had him as a first-round talent. I don't know if we have really said this publicly but we heard after the fact that the industry perception on him was much lower, at least for some teams, than what the various outlets with rankings knew. Rankings are useful to help get a general sense of things, and they tell us here what seems to be true - they did reach a bit on this pick, and one would think this means a below-slot deal. It doesn't mean it's automatically a brutal pick.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2020 11:25:48 GMT -5
Can someone remind us of the rule? You have to offer x% of slot to get the pick next year if the guy dies not sign, right? What is x? You if the guy sign there is no floor on how little you give him, right? They have to offer at least 40% of the slot value. And you can of course sign a guy for as little as he'll accept. College seniors sign for as little as $5k or $1k.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2020 11:29:55 GMT -5
Longenhagen's review on Fangraphs: "On yesterday’s mock, I mentioned a rumor that Boston might cut under slot with a high schooler in the first round to scoop up a bunch of high schoolers with their later picks. I wasn’t sure if it was real because they don’t have a second rounder and a whole lot of players are going to come off the board before they pick again. I had Yorke ranked 165th on The Board. He’s a good player (35+ FV), a contact-oriented middle infielder from California with good infield hands and footwork, but limited physical projection. That’s what Indians shortstop Tyler Freeman was coming out of high school and I thought he was a reach. Now he’s a top 100 prospect. Hit tool high schoolers from SoCal have been pretty popular high six-figure targets in recent years (Joe Naranjo, Cody and Tyler Freeman, maybe Thomas Saggese yet this year). Red Sox fans should be very intrigued by what might happen today. I’m not sure it’s going to work but it’s unlike anything we’ve ever seen in the draft before because there are so few rounds." On paper, Freeman is actually a pretty solid comp. I'd be cool with Tyler Freeman there. Also Yorke is from NorCal.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 11, 2020 11:46:08 GMT -5
Longenhagen's review on Fangraphs: "On yesterday’s mock, I mentioned a rumor that Boston might cut under slot with a high schooler in the first round to scoop up a bunch of high schoolers with their later picks. I wasn’t sure if it was real because they don’t have a second rounder and a whole lot of players are going to come off the board before they pick again. I had Yorke ranked 165th on The Board. He’s a good player (35+ FV), a contact-oriented middle infielder from California with good infield hands and footwork, but limited physical projection. That’s what Indians shortstop Tyler Freeman was coming out of high school and I thought he was a reach. Now he’s a top 100 prospect. Hit tool high schoolers from SoCal have been pretty popular high six-figure targets in recent years (Joe Naranjo, Cody and Tyler Freeman, maybe Thomas Saggese yet this year). Red Sox fans should be very intrigued by what might happen today. I’m not sure it’s going to work but it’s unlike anything we’ve ever seen in the draft before because there are so few rounds." On paper, Freeman is actually a pretty solid comp. I'd be cool with Tyler Freeman there. Also Yorke is from NorCal. Ha, I actually made a comment mentioning that, but I figured as someone born in San Jose I'd be the only one to recognize it.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 11, 2020 11:48:55 GMT -5
74. Archbishop Mitty (San Jose, Calif.) Coach: Brian Yocke 2019 Record: 21-11 2019 National Ranking: 253 Top Returning Players: Nick Yorke, Sr., SS (Arizona); Jake Geis, Jr., RHP (Oregon); Zach Yorke, Soph., 2B (.254); Rohan Sanganeria, 1B (.259); Andrew Vo, Sr., C; Reymello Murphy, Jr., OF (.304); Arthur Soto, Sr., UT; Jeremy Sangalang, Sr., Ut. Top Newcomers: Calan Zemaitis, Sr. Toughest Games: Valley Christian, March 17/April 21; Saint Francis, March 27/May 1; Serra, Apirl 3/May 8. Outlook: If not for Valley Christian, Archbishop Mitty might have gone much farther in the postseason. The Monarchs lost to VC in the West Catholic Athletic League tournament finals and the second round of the Central Coast Section playoffs. Mitty, which won the Boras Classic North Tournament, returns eight of the top 11 offensive players and four pitchers from last year. www.maxpreps.com/m/news/o9Hj4FRtqkycRdG6BlmAkw/maxpreps-top-100-national-high-school-baseball-rankings.htm
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 11, 2020 12:01:33 GMT -5
He was born in Newport Beach, CA (SoCal) but I can't find where he grew up. Archbishop Mitty is a private school so they can recruit from anyplace.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 11, 2020 12:07:05 GMT -5
He was born in Newport Beach, CA (SoCal) but I can't find where he grew up. Archbishop Mitty is a private school so they can recruit from anyplace. Schools aren't going to recruit guys from 7 hours away unless they're the elite elite programs in the country, and even then it's mostly in football and basketball like your Mater Deis or your IMGs. Mitty is clearly a good program but like you just posted they're 74th in the country so I don't think they're going out of their way to pull from SoCal. It doesn't really matter where he was born, if he played high school baseball in NorCal then he had to be living there too, so he's a NorCal guy. Also, if he was to get recruited by a private powerhouse to play baseball, there are better programs that I'm sure would've been interested that are within an hour drive from Newport, he didn't need to relocate across the state.
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 11, 2020 12:28:59 GMT -5
I'm going to give the Red Sox the benefit of the doubt here. Especially on a positional bat. When they drafted Benintendi I absolutely lost it, I thought it was such a waste at the time based on what in my view was "one" breakout season. I thought (and still do think) that we needed to load up on pitching talent considering how difficult a time we have had developing ANYONE in that arena. I was wrong, and Beni has been a huge contributor for the big club.
Yes, my knee jerk reaction was who tf is Nick Yorke. But let us be honest here, a large percentage of top draft picks never amount to crap. We drool over tools, but one of the most difficult tools to teach is the hit tool. You can be the best Athlete in the world and still not be able to hit a baseball. There is clay with Yorke to be molded from everything I've read, and if it frees up money for them to take calculated risks to land more talent in the 3-5 rounds when other teams are tapped out, that's a bonus. Let's reflect on this draft in 2023 and see how many of the guys drafted before and after are half of what we thought they were before the first pick was made.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 11, 2020 12:37:42 GMT -5
He was born in Newport Beach, CA (SoCal) but I can't find where he grew up. Archbishop Mitty is a private school so they can recruit from anyplace. Schools aren't going to recruit guys from 7 hours away unless they're the elite elite programs in the country, and even then it's mostly in football and basketball like your Mater Deis or your IMGs. Mitty is clearly a good program but like you just posted they're 74th in the country so I don't think they're going out of their way to pull from SoCal. It doesn't really matter where he was born, if he played high school baseball in NorCal then he had to be living there too, so he's a NorCal guy. Also, if he was to get recruited by a private powerhouse to play baseball, there are better programs that I'm sure would've been interested that are within an hour drive from Newport, he didn't need to relocate across the state. You are reading too much into what I said. I just meant that if he grew up in Newport Beach and went to a public school, it would be Newport Beach high School.
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Post by bcsox on Jun 11, 2020 12:53:07 GMT -5
Keith law is thumbs down on the pick. In his chat he stated that every team in the league last night took someone who is going to be in that team’s top 10 prospects except the Red Sox. Said most execs thought he would be there in the third round. He further stated that drafting high school second basemen that high is just bad business. Lastly he said he is not convinced that the Sox are going to make up for it tonight with tough signs. Says he believes the Sox just overrated this prospect.
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Post by huskies15 on Jun 11, 2020 13:08:43 GMT -5
It is a different profile of skills than usually is picked this high. Especially with the limited scouting looks this spring.
Is he better/different than Cannon (their first pick last year)? Seems they're sort of targeting this profile in Downs, Cannon, and now Yorke.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 11, 2020 13:19:47 GMT -5
It is a different profile of skills than usually is picked this high. Especially with the limited scouting looks this spring. Is he better/different than Cannon (their first pick last year)? Seems they're sort of targeting this profile in Downs, Cannon, and now Yorke. He's probably similar to Cannon in a few ways but polar opposites in terms of approach which I think is an important distinction.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 11, 2020 14:54:33 GMT -5
----- The pick kind of reminds me of Hunter Dozier. He was ranked 39th on BA's list in 2013 and the Royals took him at 8 knowing they could save money, and they got Kyle Zimmer at their next pick with the cash saved. They also insisted that they liked Dozier and that seemed to work out alright (especially in that weird-ass draft...). Worked out better than the Red Sox picking a higher-ranked guy the pick before at least! I'm also reminded of Jon Denney a bit in a different sense. He fell to the Sox in the third after all the outlets had him as a first-round talent. I don't know if we have really said this publicly but we heard after the fact that the industry perception on him was much lower, at least for some teams, than what the various outlets with rankings knew. Rankings are useful to help get a general sense of things, and they tell us here what seems to be true - they did reach a bit on this pick, and one would think this means a below-slot deal. It doesn't mean it's automatically a brutal pick. The Royals and Dozier was the immediate example I thought about last night after hearing the pick (it was Sean Manea at 34 though) and after the initial sort of surprise, and the more I read, the more I love the pick.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2020 16:03:19 GMT -5
Dang it you're right. Manaea. Thank you!
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Post by ramireja on Jun 11, 2020 16:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 11, 2020 16:16:11 GMT -5
I'm extremely happy that all of the blurbs from the people in baseball and much more optimistic than the rankings and the media blurbs.
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 11, 2020 18:26:16 GMT -5
There is a reason why guys like Law are journalists and guys like Bloom work for actual baseball teams. Before everyone starts quoting Law's word as those of the lord without reproach, remember drafting players is such a hit and miss bet, that 70% of Law's can't miss prospects will be busts before they even sniff a major league clubhouse. You can b*tch and m*an about the Sox's choices in this draft and it's useless. Let's wait and see when the fruits of this draft are ripe before we make our rushes to judgement. Personally I'm rooting for Yorke, just to shut all the smug folks up, and if you're a Red Sox fan, you should be too.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 11, 2020 21:10:22 GMT -5
Chris and Ian on the podcast noted that Yorke's softball-star mom is his hitting coach. Garin Cecchini's mom was his hitting coach (I met her at an a-ball game), and his dad was the coach.
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