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2021 MLB Draft
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 9, 2021 8:35:01 GMT -5
I will say that Jackson Jobe does intrigue me a lot... From Prospects Live: "sits comfortably 95-97 while touching some 99s... with a potential double-plus wipeout slider [at] 3200+ RPM spin and command... unicorn potential..." On the day Reilly Pint gets released.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 9, 2021 14:26:41 GMT -5
I will say that Jackson Jobe does intrigue me a lot... From Prospects Live: "sits comfortably 95-97 while touching some 99s... with a potential double-plus wipeout slider [at] 3200+ RPM spin and command... unicorn potential..." On the day Reilly Pint gets released. I don't think any of the pre-draft reports on Riley Pint praised his command; several focused on his mechanics, inconsistency, occasional wildness. Some had him at #15 before he went #4.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2021 15:03:44 GMT -5
MLB announced that the Draft Combine will be held June 21-28 in Cary, NC. More details: www.mlb.com/news/inaugural-mlb-draft-combine-dates-set?t=mlb-draft-coverageLooks like some of that will be televised on the MLB Network, including a bunch of content on June 25. Also, I don't think it had been announced before, but the first day of the draft will be a physical event at the Bellco Theater in Denver. Looks like they're trying to do an all-day prospects thing because the Futures Game is earlier in the day that Sunday (probably why they decided to move the draft to earlier in the week).
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2021 20:24:04 GMT -5
Latest mock from Callis: 1. Pirates: Marcelo Mayer, SS, Eastlake HS (Chula Vista, Calif.) 2. Rangers: Jack Leiter, RHP, Vanderbilt 3.Tigers: Jackson Jobe, RHP, Heritage Hall HS (Oklahoma City) 5. Orioles: Sal Frelick, OF, Boston College 6. Diamondbacks: Kumar Rocker, RHP, Vanderbilt 7. Royals: Jordan Lawlar, SS, Jesuit Prep (Dallas) 8. Rockies: Kahlil Watson, SS, Wake Forest (N.C.) HS 9. Angels: Brady House, SS, Winder-Barrow HS (Winder, Ga.) 10. Mets: Ty Madden, RHP, Texas www.mlb.com/news/mock-mlb-draft-2021-june-9?t=mlb-draft-coverage
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2021 21:32:33 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 10, 2021 8:21:21 GMT -5
Does Davis look like the safest pick?
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Post by kman22 on Jun 10, 2021 12:06:52 GMT -5
Lawlar and Rocker both missed the top 4 in these scenarios, would have been hard to imagine even a month or so back
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 10, 2021 12:27:00 GMT -5
I would hate it if they go catcher.
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Post by cdj on Jun 10, 2021 12:53:15 GMT -5
Don’t care what position he plays when he’s the best college bat
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2021 13:22:44 GMT -5
Does Davis look like the safest pick? I've long since given up on any player being the "safest" anything. Recall Brian Johnson having a low ceiling but an MLB floor.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2021 13:33:41 GMT -5
I would hate it if they go catcher. why?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jun 10, 2021 14:02:33 GMT -5
I would hate it if they go catcher. why? In a draft where SS and SP have a ton of Helium and they go with a Catcher? That would annoy me too. Whose the last catcher that went in the top 10 that became a superstar? I would think the hit rate is much higher with SS or SP. I've been on the Leiter train all year. Pedigree is fantastic as is the stuff.
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Post by cdj on Jun 10, 2021 14:26:57 GMT -5
Literally the 2019 draft had a catcher picked and he looks like a future superstar
Also I don’t care about past precedent, I look at the individual. And this individual is inarguably the best college bat on the board. He’s got a great approach, great exit velo’s, athleticism, and a cannon
There is nothing not to like other than “uhhh catcher!” and that’s not enough for me given what he brings to the table.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2021 14:28:28 GMT -5
In a draft where SS and SP have a ton of Helium and they go with a Catcher? That would annoy me too. Whose the last catcher that went in the top 10 that became a superstar? I would think the hit rate is much higher with SS or SP. I've been on the Leiter train all year. Pedigree is fantastic as is the stuff. I mean, there aren't many catchers who get picked that high period. If you're looking at top 5 catchers in the last 20 years, the list is: 2019, 1. Ruschmann 2018, 2. Bart 2014, 4. Schwarber, 6.2 WAR (moved, predictably, off position, so may not even belong here honestly) 2012, 3. Zunino, 8.1 WAR 2009, 4. Tony Sanchez, 0.1 WAR 2008, 5. Posey, 43.2 WAR 2007, 5. Wieters, 18.3 WAR 2005, 3. Clement, -1.2 WAR 2001, 1. Mauer, 55.2 WAR So I mean, in a sample size of 8 (I'm taking out Schwarber), 2 are still in the minors, 2 are HOFers, 1 became an average regular, 1 became a 45, and 2 were busts who at least made it to MLB. That's not a terrible track record, honestly.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2021 14:31:03 GMT -5
In a draft where SS and SP have a ton of Helium and they go with a Catcher? That would annoy me too. Whose the last catcher that went in the top 10 that became a superstar? I would think the hit rate is much higher with SS or SP. I've been on the Leiter train all year. Pedigree is fantastic as is the stuff. Catcher is a high-value position in MLB. By all indications, Davis can stay behind the plate with a very good arm and has the tools to be an above average MLB offensive player. That makes him an All Star with regards to the position and a valuable asset.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2021 14:33:24 GMT -5
In a draft where SS and SP have a ton of Helium and they go with a Catcher? That would annoy me too. Whose the last catcher that went in the top 10 that became a superstar? I would think the hit rate is much higher with SS or SP. I've been on the Leiter train all year. Pedigree is fantastic as is the stuff. I mean, there aren't many catchers who get picked that high period. If you're looking at top 5 catchers in the last 20 years, the list is: 2019, 1. Ruschmann 2018, 2. Bart 2014, 4. Schwarber, 6.2 WAR (moved, predictably, off position, so may not even belong here honestly) 2012, 3. Zunino, 8.1 WAR 2009, 4. Tony Sanchez, 0.1 WAR 2008, 5. Posey, 43.2 WAR 2007, 5. Wieters, 18.3 WAR 2005, 3. Clement, -1.2 WAR 2001, 1. Mauer, 55.2 WAR So I mean, in a sample size of 8 (I'm taking out Schwarber), 2 are still in the minors, 2 are HOFers, 1 became an average regular, 1 became a 45, and 2 were busts who at least made it to MLB. That's not a terrible track record, honestly. Harper (2010) was a catcher, too - though like Schwarber, moved off the position for durability reasons.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2021 14:46:27 GMT -5
I mean, there aren't many catchers who get picked that high period. If you're looking at top 5 catchers in the last 20 years, the list is: 2019, 1. Ruschmann 2018, 2. Bart 2014, 4. Schwarber, 6.2 WAR (moved, predictably, off position, so may not even belong here honestly) 2012, 3. Zunino, 8.1 WAR 2009, 4. Tony Sanchez, 0.1 WAR 2008, 5. Posey, 43.2 WAR 2007, 5. Wieters, 18.3 WAR 2005, 3. Clement, -1.2 WAR 2001, 1. Mauer, 55.2 WAR So I mean, in a sample size of 8 (I'm taking out Schwarber), 2 are still in the minors, 2 are HOFers, 1 became an average regular, 1 became a 45, and 2 were busts who at least made it to MLB. That's not a terrible track record, honestly. Harper (2010) was a catcher, too - though like Schwarber, moved off the position for durability reasons. Yeah, but he never even caught in pro ball. Schwarber at least caught a little bit. Fair point though.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 10, 2021 14:57:36 GMT -5
How many truly elite catchers are there in MLB??
We take Vazquez for granted and he is one of the best in the AL, IMO. So a guy like Davis with his hit tool, plate discipline and gun could be a cornerstone catcher for years. Fewer of them than any position in baseball so that would be my response to why or anyone undervaluing the position in the draft.
Not many teams have a catcher that is a dangerous bat vs a hole in the batting order for the most part? It's like the old days when your SS and cf was strictly a glove and you didn't care about the bat as long as you got the D. Getting production out of the catcher is a bonus.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2021 15:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jun 10, 2021 15:28:32 GMT -5
I'm intrigued by Matt Mikulski, LHP (Fordham), 6'4/200 lbs Fastball 94-96, his numbers are insane: 68 IP 124 Ks 29 hits 27 walks I like him as a 2nd round pick.
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Post by dyoungteach on Jun 10, 2021 15:33:35 GMT -5
I would hate it if they go catcher. why? Because it sure would be nicer to get an impact middle of order player.
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Post by dyoungteach on Jun 10, 2021 15:35:00 GMT -5
Literally the 2019 draft had a catcher picked and he looks like a future superstar Also I don’t care about past precedent, I look at the individual. And this individual is inarguably the best college bat on the board. He’s got a great approach, great exit velo’s, athleticism, and a cannon There is nothing not to like other than “uhhh catcher!” and that’s not enough for me given what he brings to the table. Looks like ...... trey ball looked like David price or Clayton kershaw till he wasn’t quite that.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 10, 2021 15:51:53 GMT -5
Literally the 2019 draft had a catcher picked and he looks like a future superstar Also I don’t care about past precedent, I look at the individual. And this individual is inarguably the best college bat on the board. He’s got a great approach, great exit velo’s, athleticism, and a cannon There is nothing not to like other than “uhhh catcher!” and that’s not enough for me given what he brings to the table. Looks like ...... trey ball looked like David price or Clayton kershaw till he wasn’t quite that. Nope that is just not even close to being true. Ball looked like an intriguing gamble who had a chance to be very good. Bad pick but has no bearing on whether you should pick one of the two best pitchers in college ball or the best college bat who is a catcher. Besides Adley Rutschman in 2019, the 2018 draft had a catcher in Bart that is now mlbpipeline's #19 prospect.
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 10, 2021 15:54:19 GMT -5
How many truly elite catchers are there in MLB?? Gun shy from being told Matt Wieters would be a thing for a decade, only to see him break down at age 27.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 10, 2021 15:54:51 GMT -5
Literally the 2019 draft had a catcher picked and he looks like a future superstar Also I don’t care about past precedent, I look at the individual. And this individual is inarguably the best college bat on the board. He’s got a great approach, great exit velo’s, athleticism, and a cannon There is nothing not to like other than “uhhh catcher!” and that’s not enough for me given what he brings to the table. Looks like ...... trey ball looked like David price or Clayton kershaw till he wasn’t quite that. Huh? That's not even a close comparison. Ball was a very raw & athletic HS pitcher. It was all about projection. Nobody ever compared him to Price or Kershaw. Davis is a much more experienced and refined ballplayer. He's a starter and best player for a top team in a power conference. He's succeeded against many of the top collegiate baseball players in the country. He's the antithesis of Trey Ball.
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