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2021 MLB Draft
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 12, 2021 14:56:55 GMT -5
Just a week out from college ball starting. Next Friday night... Miami at Florida to open up the Gators' new ballpark. Del Castillo vs. Fabian.
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Post by agastonguay13 on Feb 12, 2021 14:58:18 GMT -5
I know no matter who gets taken, I'd rather see #4 at slot and #40 at overslot to try to maximize the takeaway from this (hopefully) rare opportunity of picking so high. Except if there is no clearly defined difference between 4 and 9, or daresay, 15, then why overpay because you can't trade down? I mean, between January and now we have had 4-10 pretty interchangeable in the rankings. Lawler, the catcher, Leiter, even the Florida CFer, and Mayer only made it into the top 10 because he's had a stronger spring. Houston passed on higher rated Appel in 2012 and cut a deal with Coreia at $4.5 mil, and used it for Lance McCullers on the second pick. That worked out. I don't think I expressed my thought well enough. I'm meaning to say that I would ideally prefer things to work out where there's a no brainer available to us at #4, pay him slot (or less if he'd take it, I guess) and go after another late 1st round type talent at #40 with every intention of going over slot to land him if necessary. I like the depth they've built the last few seasons from the middle rounds (3-7), and the fact that they've shown the ability to find value in that range (Duran, Song, Murphy, Ward, etc...) gives me hope that they could use some of the slot value for those later picks, give it to the second rounder at #40, and still find some talent underslot, while also working a senior sign or two in round(s) 9-10. Ultimately, as I said before, I'd like to land 2 high end prospects, not unlike the White Sox were able to last season with Crochet and Kelley.
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Post by agastonguay13 on Feb 12, 2021 15:00:45 GMT -5
Just a week out from college ball starting. Next Friday night... Miami at Florida to open up the Gators' new ballpark. Del Castillo vs. Fabian. Do we know if it'll be televised/streamed anywhere? EDIT: For the plebs like myself who didn't know, I think the game is on the SEC network (Directv channel 611).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 12, 2021 16:23:17 GMT -5
I think in a typical draft year....the #4 overall pick is usually a Top 100 prospect overall, and sometimes even around the 40-60 range. If we a draft a guy with similar pedigree he should probably be a top 3 guy in our system with a shot at 1-2. Agreed given the false premise that the rankings in July will be the same as they are now. In the present system, the #4 pick would be guaranteed to be top 3. In reality, I think Duran, Mata, and Jimenez could all play their way over that pick (I don't list Dalbec or Houck because in doing so they'd graduate - I can't see Houck doing it with AAA performance alone, although maayyyyyyybe if he's showing a nasty split regularly).
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Post by manfred on Feb 12, 2021 16:31:42 GMT -5
I think in a typical draft year....the #4 overall pick is usually a Top 100 prospect overall, and sometimes even around the 40-60 range. If we a draft a guy with similar pedigree he should probably be a top 3 guy in our system with a shot at 1-2. Agreed given the false premise that the rankings in July will be the same as they are now. In the present system, the #4 pick would be guaranteed to be top 3. In reality, I think Duran, Mata, and Jimenez could all play their way over that pick (I don't list Dalbec or Houck because in doing so they'd graduate - I can't see Houck doing it with AAA performance alone, although maayyyyyyybe if he's showing a nasty split regularly). It seems like if Houck starts in AAA and gets off to a start that *would* secure a top-4 slot, he won’t be in AAA long enough to get there in midseason listings. So it seems like one way or another he’s not going to be ahead of a first-rounder.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Feb 12, 2021 16:35:08 GMT -5
Next Friday night... Miami at Florida to open up the Gators' new ballpark. Del Castillo vs. Fabian. Do we know if it'll be televised/streamed anywhere? EDIT: For the plebs like myself who didn't know, I think the game is on the SEC network (Directv channel 611). Generally, if you have SEC Network as part of your cable package you should be able to watch SECN+ games though Watch ESPN. Same with ACC Network, or ESPN+. Here's Friday's schedule for all that: www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/upcoming/categoryId/e364bfcd-493d-3bfb-ac83-bd27d66fedd0/startDate/20210219Miami Florida isn't on the list, so not sure how that will be broadcast.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 12, 2021 16:58:04 GMT -5
Agreed given the false premise that the rankings in July will be the same as they are now. In the present system, the #4 pick would be guaranteed to be top 3. In reality, I think Duran, Mata, and Jimenez could all play their way over that pick (I don't list Dalbec or Houck because in doing so they'd graduate - I can't see Houck doing it with AAA performance alone, although maayyyyyyybe if he's showing a nasty split regularly). It seems like if Houck starts in AAA and gets off to a start that *would* secure a top-4 slot, he won’t be in AAA long enough to get there in midseason listings. So it seems like one way or another he’s not going to be ahead of a first-rounder. That is literally what I meant. lol
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 12, 2021 17:23:13 GMT -5
Next Friday night... Miami at Florida to open up the Gators' new ballpark. Del Castillo vs. Fabian. Do we know if it'll be televised/streamed anywhere? EDIT: For the plebs like myself who didn't know, I think the game is on the SEC network (Directv channel 611). I said Friday night... it's actually a 3:00 PM Friday afternoon start.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 13, 2021 21:26:28 GMT -5
Someone definitely needs to confirm this....but I think the Dodgers signing Turner would put them over the CBT threshold that would move their 1st pick from #30 to #40. I think our 2nd round pick would move up to #39 in that case if they stay over that threshold.
Scratch that....are the Dodgers picking at #29? If so, they would just move back to #39, so right in front of our 2nd round pick.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 13, 2021 23:54:31 GMT -5
Someone definitely needs to confirm this....but I think the Dodgers signing Turner would put them over the CBT threshold that would move their 1st pick from #30 to #40. I think our 2nd round pick would move up to #39 in that case if they stay over that threshold.Scratch that....are the Dodgers picking at #29? If so, they would just move back to #39, so right in front of our 2nd round pick. I believe the Dodgers would have to be over the threshold at the end of the season, at which point their pick would be moved back in the 2022 draft.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 14, 2021 0:08:54 GMT -5
Someone definitely needs to confirm this....but I think the Dodgers signing Turner would put them over the CBT threshold that would move their 1st pick from #30 to #40. I think our 2nd round pick would move up to #39 in that case if they stay over that threshold.Scratch that....are the Dodgers picking at #29? If so, they would just move back to #39, so right in front of our 2nd round pick. I believe the Dodgers would have to be over the threshold at the end of the season, at which point their pick would be moved back in the 2022 draft. Oh yeah, that makes sense. (Not to mention -- aren't they forfeiting their 1st round pick this year for signing Bauer?). Regardless, my post was a mess. Thanks for bearing with me...continue on folks!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 14, 2021 10:31:14 GMT -5
I believe the Dodgers would have to be over the threshold at the end of the season, at which point their pick would be moved back in the 2022 draft. Oh yeah, that makes sense. (Not to mention -- aren't they forfeiting their 1st round pick this year for signing Bauer?). Regardless, my post was a mess. Thanks for bearing with me...continue on folks! Second.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 15, 2021 11:10:40 GMT -5
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Post by snygren1 on Feb 15, 2021 14:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Feb 15, 2021 14:23:51 GMT -5
Leiter over Rocker starting to become the norm?
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Post by ramireja on Feb 17, 2021 23:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 18, 2021 9:27:07 GMT -5
I deleted the entire tangent about masks. This is discussion of the 2021 MLB Draft within a forum about Red Sox baseball. Please stay on topic.
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Post by dyoungteach on Feb 18, 2021 11:52:13 GMT -5
I kinda hope Sox take house still. OR cut an under slot deal and use the extra to grab a high end high school starter. It will be interesting to see what way they turn. House has an “it” tool and build to add more.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 18, 2021 12:05:06 GMT -5
I kinda hope Sox take house still. OR cut an under slot deal and use the extra to grab a high end high school starter. It will be interesting to see what way they turn. House has an “it” tool and build to add more. Not sure who I'm leaning towards sox taking at 4 at this point. Still lots of time before the draft and games to be played/scouted. I however hope they don't go for an under slot player at 4. Hopefully this is the last time for a while they're picking that high and I'd rather they take one of the blue chip guys and spend slot rather than spread it around more for later rounds.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 18, 2021 13:12:58 GMT -5
Not a candidate for us in the first round...but for those taking notes on HS players likely to be available in Round 2 and beyond...Wes Kath is one of the better HS corner IF bats with plus power:
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Post by tyler3 on Feb 18, 2021 14:18:24 GMT -5
James Woods has real helium, homers against good competition lately.
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Post by unitspin on Feb 18, 2021 18:10:35 GMT -5
Leiter over Rocker starting to become the norm? As Leiter's biggest fanboy on the page, no way he should be ahead of Rocker on anyones mock. Rocker looks like the real deal.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 21, 2021 17:17:56 GMT -5
Brady House off to a hot start:
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Post by tyler3 on Feb 22, 2021 9:34:03 GMT -5
Leiter over Rocker starting to become the norm? As Leiter's biggest fanboy on the page, no way he should be ahead of Rocker on anyones mock. Rocker looks like the real deal. Well here’s the argument there. Plus for Rocker, a year of performance, big body, gyro slider (up to down), plus fastball at 94, 95 with plus movement for first 3 innings. “Perceived negatives” for Rocker, command of fastball can get spotty (long at bats, high pitch counts), fastball velocity drops off after 3 innings and starts to not miss bats (91 to 93), Gyro slider isn’t favored by some scouts as mlb hitters might recognize spin better and golf it, not shown change in game, delivery not super clean and could put pressure on shoulder. These are nit picky but we are talking about number 1 spot. Leiter positives, excellent delivery, fast ball his plus up in the zone due vertical movement and low release point, fastball showed 95-97 in shot stints in Fall, showed a plus curveball, showed a plus slider, showed a plus cutter. Negatives, small, limited track record (college), hasn’t showed yet he can maintain velocity, some scouts don’t like the slower bender at the major league level. He like Rocker is reported to have had/worked on good change, no in game looks yet. Honestly from what I’ve read scouts are torn in which they prefer for I believe the reasons above. Buuuuuut no need to take my word for it or the scouts I’ve read. Today we can all choose for ourselves as I believe rocker leiter are back to back. Make your own choice:)
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Post by tyler3 on Feb 22, 2021 13:18:13 GMT -5
1,2,3 first inning for Kumar, mid 90s and a nasty slider, all three outs via the k.
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